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Re:Facebook Messenger, Instagram and WhatsApp Outage by the-dude on Thursday December 10, 2020 @08:29AM (#25373458)
IIRC this is exactly what MS claimed about bundling IE : it was tied into the kernel.
Re:Facebook Messenger, Instagram and WhatsApp Outage by breckenedge on Thursday December 10, 2020 @08:31AM (#25373476)
Yes that was a defense. Explorer.exe and IE were intimately tied together. Remember “active desktop”? You could make your Windows desktop background a web page. Crazy times...
Re:Facebook Messenger, Instagram and WhatsApp Outage by Steltek on Thursday December 10, 2020 @08:58AM (#25373729)
I wouldn't mind that, actually. I could create my own dashboard/background.
Re:Facebook Messenger, Instagram and WhatsApp Outage by not_knuth on Thursday December 10, 2020 @09:51AM (#25374219)
Well as always, that can easily be done on Linux. There is even a widget on KDE that lets you do precisely that.
Re:Facebook Messenger, Instagram and WhatsApp Outage by ssivark on Thursday December 10, 2020 @11:19AM (#25375289)
Please say more!
Re:Facebook Messenger, Instagram and WhatsApp Outage by gregq on Thursday December 10, 2020 @11:57AM (#25375681)
Re:Facebook Messenger, Instagram and WhatsApp Outage by folmar on Thursday December 10, 2020 @04:02PM (#25378622)
You can also make nice updating (but not interactive) background with conky.
Re:Facebook Messenger, Instagram and WhatsApp Outage by wongarsu on Thursday December 10, 2020 @09:54AM (#25374265)
With Wallpaper Engine or similar programs you can still do it. It's no longer a Windows feature, but they have enough API surface to make it possible for other software to implement.
Re:Facebook Messenger, Instagram and WhatsApp Outage by hnlmorg on Thursday December 10, 2020 @12:57PM (#25376383)
Bare in mind back then was before "Web 2.0", there wasn't AJAX, responsive web design and any of the other technologies we now take for granted. And to add to the woes, most computers still weren't powerful enough to handle running Active Desktop. It was a huge resource drain.

Some of the other desktop integration features of Internet Explorer 4 were pretty nice though.

These days most desktop environments allow for desktop widgets and usually there's a web view widget amongst them. So you can still have your web desktop if you wanted. At least now computers are powerful enough, and the frontend tools are useful enough, that there is some arguable benefit.

Re:Facebook Messenger, Instagram and WhatsApp Outage by Throwaway1771 on Thursday December 10, 2020 @11:03AM (#25375127)
This can still be done.
Re:Facebook Messenger, Instagram and WhatsApp Outage by Grazester on Thursday December 10, 2020 @09:41AM (#25374131)
And I loved it!
Re:Facebook Messenger, Instagram and WhatsApp Outage by EE84M3i on Thursday December 10, 2020 @09:07AM (#25373804)
I don't think MS said it was bundled in the kernel, but it is true that parts of IE are tied into the OS (or at least used to be) in the form of mshtml and jscript.
Re:Facebook Messenger, Instagram and WhatsApp Outage by josefx on Thursday December 10, 2020 @12:57PM (#25376375)
Basic functionality like windows update was implemented using websites and activex components. You couldn't run that with any other browser.
Re:Facebook Messenger, Instagram and WhatsApp Outage by anoncake on Thursday December 10, 2020 @01:57PM (#25377053)
Actually you could, as long as that browser used the Trident engine. Microsoft could have easily shipped a dedicated update application that's just a simple "browser" locked to the windows update website.
Re:Facebook Messenger, Instagram and WhatsApp Outage by jaimex2 on Thursday December 10, 2020 @08:47AM (#25373614)
To be fair IE crashing would take out the whole OS.
Re:Facebook Messenger, Instagram and WhatsApp Outage by jonplackett on Thursday December 10, 2020 @08:52AM (#25373672)
Back then anything crashing usually took down the whole OS
Re:Facebook Messenger, Instagram and WhatsApp Outage by anoncake on Thursday December 10, 2020 @01:58PM (#25377062)
Didn't MS still argue they couldn't unbundle IE in the XP days?
Re:Facebook Messenger, Instagram and WhatsApp Outage by gsich on Thursday December 10, 2020 @12:42PM (#25376214)
It's a lame excuse anyway. They could have just hidden the IE symbol, deactivating auto-open with IE and it would have been fine.