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Re:Tax working from home 'to support vulnerable jobs' – Deut... by kace91 on Wednesday November 11, 2020 @07:54AM (#25057903)
This sounds like a horrible idea.

Home work improves many peoples mental state, reduces time spent at work (if you count commutes), people's footprint in terms of pollution and allow for the redistribution of people that were clustered in big cities under asfixiating rent/home owning costs. Why on earth would we disincentivize it?

>By working from home, people aren't paying for public transport or eating out at restaurants near their places of work, while expensive offices remain virtually empty.

Spending your money isn't an obligation as far as I'm aware. Should I be taxed for bringing my homecooked food to work then? What about walking to my workplace, or using a bike?

>"The virus has benefitted those who can do their jobs virtually, such as bank analysts, and threatened the livelihoods or health of those who can't," added Mr Templeman.

that one is reasonable until:

>It also wouldn't apply when people are asked to stay home for a public health emergency or other medical reasons.

So..the concern is that the virus hurts some workers, but it doesn't apply during times where workers are harmed?

Re:Tax working from home 'to support vulnerable jobs' – Deut... by damnencryption on Wednesday November 11, 2020 @08:24AM (#25058141)
Someone posted this on HN: https://medium.com/technicity/big-banks-are-at-the-front-cen...

Deutsche Bank placed number one in money laundering.

Re:Tax working from home 'to support vulnerable jobs' – Deut... by hourislate on Wednesday November 11, 2020 @05:25PM (#25063737)
There is always an angle. You just have dig to find out why Douche Bank would want this. It has to benefit them some way that isn't obviously apparent. Just like Shell starting to lobby the Biden Camp to ban all methane from drilling, it's not because they care about the environment but probably to leave an adversary in a more difficult situation.

I was hoping Douchebank was going to go under. They were a candidate there for a moment at the beginning of April. Talk was they were going to fold. Too Bad.....

Re:Tax working from home 'to support vulnerable jobs' – Deut... by barumi on Wednesday November 11, 2020 @07:09PM (#25064597)
> Deutsche Bank placed number one in money laundering.

How does that ad hominem refute or support the claim that remote workers should be taxed to subsidize vulnerable jobs?

Re:Tax working from home 'to support vulnerable jobs' – Deut... by aaomidi on Thursday November 12, 2020 @01:22AM (#25067037)
Because it's a stupid statement when there are companies that are making more money this year than they did ever before and that billionaires have increased their wealth by so much during this pandemic.
Re:Tax working from home 'to support vulnerable jobs' – Deut... by barumi on Thursday November 12, 2020 @03:19AM (#25067662)
> Because it's a stupid statement when there are companies that are making more money (...)

Again, that makes zero sense and is another blatant red herring. If the discussion is about taxing WFH to support vulnerable jobs, it makes absolutely no sense to waste time playing the whole whack-a-mole whataboutism game.

If you don't want to discuss the topic under discussion, please refrain from commenting at all. You'll only end up adding noise to an otherwise interesting discussion.

Re:Tax working from home 'to support vulnerable jobs' – Deut... by brewdad on Thursday November 12, 2020 @03:37PM (#25074621)
Why not tax the corporations who stand to gain from long-term WFH? They will save millions on office space. Let's take that surplus rather than squeezing the employees yet again.
Re:Tax working from home 'to support vulnerable jobs' – Deut... by aaomidi on Friday November 13, 2020 @02:07PM (#25086097)
The topic of the discussion is stupid. As I said in the earlier comment.

Don't tell me when or when I shouldn't comment because this proposal is a ridiculous proposal and I'm going to say it so.

Re:Tax working from home 'to support vulnerable jobs' – Deut... by daniellarusso on Wednesday November 11, 2020 @08:07AM (#25058008)
Preserve the status quo at all costs.

Is there a term for that?

Re:Tax working from home 'to support vulnerable jobs' – Deut... by yonisto on Wednesday November 11, 2020 @08:13AM (#25058056)
We also need a name for those who wish to ruin everything good with taxation.
Re:Tax working from home 'to support vulnerable jobs' – Deut... by dwaltrip on Wednesday November 11, 2020 @11:06AM (#25059465)
Examples of large, modern societies flourishing without the use of taxation?
Re:Tax working from home 'to support vulnerable jobs' – Deut... by donw on Wednesday November 11, 2020 @08:15PM (#25065194)
Singapore and Switzerland both have very low tax rates (topping out around ~ 20%), and both are great places to live. Panama is nice as well, and they top out at 25%.
Re:Tax working from home 'to support vulnerable jobs' – Deut... by raxxorrax on Thursday November 12, 2020 @06:48AM (#25068805)
We don't tax the richest companies because there is a race to the bottom. It is the success story of Dublin for example.
Re:Tax working from home 'to support vulnerable jobs' – Deut... by barumi on Wednesday November 11, 2020 @07:17PM (#25064669)
> Examples of large, modern societies flourishing without the use of taxation?

This is a disingenuous red herring.

It's one thing to claim that some amount of taxes to finance public spending can be benefitial to society.

It's an entirely different thing to claim that taxing remote work brings any benefit to society.

Re:Tax working from home 'to support vulnerable jobs' – Deut... by dwaltrip on Wednesday November 11, 2020 @07:36PM (#25064838)
I was responding to a comment about “ruining everything good with taxation”.
Re:Tax working from home 'to support vulnerable jobs' – Deut... by barumi on Thursday November 12, 2020 @03:08AM (#25067609)
Sounds to me like taxing WFH fits the description of "ruining everything good with taxation".

I mean, there's already a progressive income tax. Why should society create incentives to commute to work?

Re:Tax working from home 'to support vulnerable jobs' – Deut... by dwaltrip on Thursday November 12, 2020 @11:01AM (#25071218)
I wasn’t commenting on a tax on WFH. I haven’t thought about it much, but I’m likely in agreement with you on that issue.
Re:Tax working from home 'to support vulnerable jobs' – Deut... by ulucs on Thursday November 12, 2020 @02:54AM (#25067529)
You can collect taxes without ruining everything
Re:Tax working from home 'to support vulnerable jobs' – Deut... by tanseydavid on Thursday November 12, 2020 @01:01PM (#25072629)
> You can collect taxes without ruining everything

True -- which explains why the following rhetorical question is indeed a RED HERRING.

> Examples of large, modern societies flourishing without the use of taxation?

No one has suggested zero taxation anywhere in the thread that I can find...

Re:Tax working from home 'to support vulnerable jobs' – Deut... by emteycz on Wednesday November 11, 2020 @03:09PM (#25062407)
Examples of large, modern societies that gave way for new ideas instead of preserving the status quo at all costs?
Re:Tax working from home 'to support vulnerable jobs' – Deut... by dwaltrip on Wednesday November 11, 2020 @07:38PM (#25064857)
Nothing “gives way”, yet things change now and then regardless.

It shouldn’t be taken for granted, of course. And we should aspire to make it easier for good new ideas to take hold.

Re:Tax working from home 'to support vulnerable jobs' – Deut... by op00to on Wednesday November 11, 2020 @08:16AM (#25058073)
Quisling
Re:Tax working from home 'to support vulnerable jobs' – Deut... by lwhalen on Wednesday November 11, 2020 @09:41AM (#25058764)
Democrat
Re:Tax working from home 'to support vulnerable jobs' – Deut... by aeternum on Wednesday November 11, 2020 @03:59PM (#25062906)
Not sure, but "Harrison Bergeron" could work.
Re:Tax working from home 'to support vulnerable jobs' – Deut... by pavel_lishin on Wednesday November 11, 2020 @05:37PM (#25063857)
Here's the thing, everyone arguing against this tax is arguing for preserving the status quo as well. This pandemic has changed our situation, on every level from global to local. It's foolish to pretend it hasn't.

I would gladly contribute a larger share of my income as taxes to ensure my community doesn't suffer, provided it was distributed equitably (which is a whole other complicated discussion.)

Re:Tax working from home 'to support vulnerable jobs' – Deut... by barumi on Wednesday November 11, 2020 @07:14PM (#25064638)
> I would gladly contribute a larger share of my income as taxes to ensure my community doesn't suffer (...)

I would too, which is why I vote with my wallet and buy local, even at a premium, whenever I can.

However, income tax is the exact opposite of helping out the community, as it's designed to fatten up the central government's revenue which is then used up to feed the state's current expenditure.

Re:Tax working from home 'to support vulnerable jobs' – Deut... by pavel_lishin on Thursday November 12, 2020 @09:35AM (#25070293)
Buying local isn't going to fund my school district or fix potholes.
Re:Tax working from home 'to support vulnerable jobs' – Deut... by antepodius on Wednesday November 18, 2020 @11:22AM (#25138588)
US schools don't need more funding, they need to be burned to the ground.
Re:Tax working from home 'to support vulnerable jobs' – Deut... by tanseydavid on Thursday November 12, 2020 @01:02PM (#25072647)
>> Here's the thing, everyone arguing against this tax is arguing for preserving the status quo as well.

This is not a true statement.

Re:Tax working from home 'to support vulnerable jobs' – Deut... by pheres on Thursday November 12, 2020 @08:17AM (#25069490)
inertia
Re:Tax working from home 'to support vulnerable jobs' – Deut... by wdb on Friday November 13, 2020 @06:55AM (#25081331)
Who says we will go back to eating out in restaurants near work (why not near home?) and use the bike instead of public transport?