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Re:When the English Witnessed Battles in the Sky by dvh on Sunday November 08, 2020 @04:30PM (#25029257)
Re:When the English Witnessed Battles in the Sky by michaelsbradley on Sunday November 08, 2020 @06:15PM (#25029992)
Possibly related to the phenomenon researched by Peratt, et al, albeit a much more recent occurrence:

Characteristics for the Occurrence of a High-Current, Z-Pinch Aurora as Recorded in Antiquity

https://plasmauniverse.info/downloadsCosmo/PerattTPSv31-2003...

Related publications:

https://plasmauniverse.info/NearEarth.html

Re:When the English Witnessed Battles in the Sky by olivermarks on Sunday November 08, 2020 @04:18PM (#25029153)
Carrington Event 1859 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carrington_Event

Interesting how perceptions of what was happening were so different then compared to this earlier event

Re:When the English Witnessed Battles in the Sky by magicsmoke on Sunday November 08, 2020 @10:10PM (#25031107)
The industrial revolution has irreversibly changed how society and we as individuals within that society perceive and describe things. Less analogy to lived and experienced phenomena in the form of tales and myths and more mechanical breakdowns of shape, size, dimensions, and scientific measurements needed for reproduction in a factory.

Makes you wonder how future societies would describe phenomena among their members

Re:When the English Witnessed Battles in the Sky by Izkata on Monday November 09, 2020 @12:23AM (#25031710)
A youtuber I follow has recently started a series where he takes a myth or supernatural subject and splits it into two parts: the first he presents it as a total believer, with the idea that the viewers pick it apart, then in the second he picks it apart.

You reminded me of the one on the Mothman sightings, where in the second part he made a really good point that if you ignore all the naming, the eyewitness descriptions sound like a man with a jetpack and red goggles.

Re:When the English Witnessed Battles in the Sky by coeneedell on Monday November 09, 2020 @02:17AM (#25032140)
Do you mind if I ask who?
Re:When the English Witnessed Battles in the Sky by core_dumped on Monday November 09, 2020 @03:10AM (#25032457)
I second this, sounds really interesting!
Re:When the English Witnessed Battles in the Sky by Izkata on Monday November 09, 2020 @08:38AM (#25034652)
Re:When the English Witnessed Battles in the Sky by Jaruzel on Sunday November 08, 2020 @11:20PM (#25031419)
Large solar storms. When they happen, they cause the Auroras to appear at lower latitudes than typical. They happen so rarely in a persons lifetime, that people are very unlikely to see one more than once, if at all.
Re:When the English Witnessed Battles in the Sky by pierrec on Sunday November 08, 2020 @06:05PM (#25029934)
I wonder if Robert Jordan was inspired by this when he wrote The Great Hunt (spoiler follows, I guess!) The protagonist experiences a hallucinatory battle with his arch nemesis, then learns that it was somehow projected in the sky:

"In the sky?" Rand said in wonder.

"Both of you," Moiraine said. "Your battle took place across the sky, in full view of every soul in Falme. Perhaps in other towns on Toman Head, too, if half what I hear is to be believed."

This then ruins his plans of keeping a low profile. Those books had some fun ideas.

Re:When the English Witnessed Battles in the Sky by smogcutter on Monday November 09, 2020 @12:07AM (#25031643)
He was definitely inspired by the part where the aurora tugs its braid angrily and crosses its arms under its heaving bosoms, while scowling at a woolheaded man.
Re:When the English Witnessed Battles in the Sky by Sonnengewitter on Sunday November 08, 2020 @09:56PM (#25031041)
'The Great Hunt in the Sky' is an ancient European myth which has existed perhaps since the pleistoscene. It has manifested in a lot of interesting ways; Johnny Cash's 'ghost riders in the sky', santa and his reindeer, Wagners ride of the Valkyries,

Note: most of the etymological research on this was done in what is now modern germany, but this myth was equally prevalent in france, british isles, scandinavia etc

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wild_Hunt

Re:When the English Witnessed Battles in the Sky by oso2k on Sunday November 08, 2020 @11:43PM (#25031526)
Cash's "Riders in the Sky" is based on Native American mythology [0]. Cash felt it important to highlight Native American history and struggles [1]. "Riders in the Sky" was only one of many such songs.

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/(Ghost)_Riders_in_the_Sky:_A_C...

[1] https://www.aclu.org/blog/racial-justice/american-indian-rig...

Re:When the English Witnessed Battles in the Sky by Kye on Monday November 09, 2020 @08:26AM (#25034530)
I didn't know about that. Do you happen to know which tribe's mythology inspired him to write this? The wiki says "possibly Apache" and doesn't cite where that possibility came from. I've been trying to learn more about the people who have been here longer than my people since learning what they're still going through and how little I learned about that growing up beyond stereotypes.
Re:When the English Witnessed Battles in the Sky by mcphage on Sunday November 08, 2020 @06:10PM (#25029970)
This article reminded me of the exact same thing!
Re:When the English Witnessed Battles in the Sky by perilunar on Monday November 09, 2020 @01:06AM (#25031861)
I thought this was going to be about the Battle of Britain.
Re:When the English Witnessed Battles in the Sky by arcticbull on Sunday November 08, 2020 @04:37PM (#25029313)
Honestly, this sounds like it could be ergot poisoning. It's about the right era -- the last major outbreak of ergot poisoning was in 1926.

Ergot is a type of fungus that infects rye and other grains, and has a ton of negative health effects, especially if consumed for a long period of time. However, acute ingestion leads to powerful hallucinations. Lysergic acid is the precursor for a ton of ergoline alkaloids, and of course, LSD.

All their descriptions sound an awful lot like a mushroom or acid trip.

tl;dr: IMO they were probably high on wacky loaf.

Re:When the English Witnessed Battles in the Sky by syntheno on Sunday November 08, 2020 @05:49PM (#25029835)
I’m as skeptical as you are but your hypothesis makes no sense. You’d have to take an exceptional amount of potent hallucinogens to have an experience like the one described in the article, let alone share such an experience with others in such vivid recalled detail.
Re:When the English Witnessed Battles in the Sky by arcticbull on Monday November 09, 2020 @02:26PM (#25038717)
I have no conclusive evidence of course, just positing a hypothesis.

re: amount you'd have to consume, "entire families would find themselves afflicted with either symptoms of burning and eventual gangrene in the hands and feet or with epileptic-like convulsions, headaches and hallucinations." [1]

re: timing, ergot tends to thrive in summer after cold winters followed by damp springs. March is a bit early, but not out of the question.

re: wide-spread, ergot outbreaks affected huge populations all at once. [2]

For what it's worth there's a decent chance that ergot poisoning may be responsible for the Salem Witch Trials. [1]

The best argument I could find against my case is that it was rare in the UK as the climate is less favorable to rye [2].

> ...let alone share such an experience with others in such vivid recalled detail.

It's an acid trip. Ask someone whose done acid. They'll tell you exactly what they experienced.

[1] https://asm.org/Articles/2018/November/From-Poisoning-to-Pha...

[2] https://cropwatch.unl.edu/2017/has-ergot-altered-events-worl...

Re:When the English Witnessed Battles in the Sky by robotresearcher on Sunday November 08, 2020 @05:29PM (#25029717)
From the fine article:

> On the night of March 6, 1716, people all over England witnessed a bloody war unfolding in the sky.

> the aurora was bright enough to read by

Aurora. Visible across the country. Rare in England, hence the amazement.

Re:When the English Witnessed Battles in the Sky by mark-r on Sunday November 08, 2020 @07:57PM (#25030473)
Is "aurora" a term used at the time, or was it added later by people who thought they knew better?
Re:When the English Witnessed Battles in the Sky by dredmorbius on Monday November 09, 2020 @12:30AM (#25031739)
'Aurora borealis" seems to have begun appearing in print at rougghly this period:

https://books.google.com/ngrams/graph?content=aurora+boreali...

References prior to 1714 (daate attributions may be inaccurate):

https://www.google.com/search?q="aurora%20borealis"&tbm=bks&...

Re:When the English Witnessed Battles in the Sky by mark-r on Monday November 09, 2020 @10:35AM (#25035799)
The question is one of revisionist history. Did the people writing of the event at the time recognize it for what it was? Or did a later transcription of the event substitute their current understanding and lose the confusion surrounding the original?
Re:When the English Witnessed Battles in the Sky by robotresearcher on Monday November 09, 2020 @01:25PM (#25037860)
At least some reports at the time were of heavenly armies and other fantastic things. So at the time the phenomenon was not described (at least universally) as aurora.

The article - written much later - assumes that it was in fact an aurora. The comment I replied to proposed "tl;dr: IMO they were probably high on wacky loaf." Which is an alternate explanation that doesn't really match the fact that this was seen all over the country on the same night, and not other nights.

Re:When the English Witnessed Battles in the Sky by phaemon on Sunday November 08, 2020 @05:31PM (#25029729)
Which happened to affect all sorts of people across a country, for several days, all at the same time, which they recorded in various writings?

Are you sure you've thought this out?

Re:When the English Witnessed Battles in the Sky by arcticbull on Sunday November 08, 2020 @05:59PM (#25029894)
Nope, I’m not at all sure :) just throwing my hat in.