A lot of people seem to be missing the reference here. Musk tweeted support for the coup this summer: https://m.imgur.com/gallery/9X7X5Fw

The replies to this are amazing. A popular leader enacts policies which prevent multinationals from extracting the resources of Bolivia (including a lot of lithium, used in batteries), the leader is then pushed out in a coup which is supported by the US intelligence community and the western business interests (look up the OAS). And Musk tweets support for this coup and then deletes the tweet and people defend this like it’s a joke. Maybe he was high when he tweeted it but there is clearly some truth behind his “joke”.

The coup was supported by American Media and OAS https://theintercept.com/2020/06/08/the-nyt-admits-key-false...

What you seem to be missing is a sense of sarcasm.

Unless there's material evidence that Elon Musk or his company execs have had any hand in this "coup", I would write that off as trolling.

You think Musk was serious? You sure he wasn't just trolling a responder who came out with a red herring about US coup in Bolivia and accusing Musk of being complicit in it (and you get those guys all the time online. You could be talking about unicorns and they'll just jump in with "Remember that America is evil" bit).

"Oh he was just joking about the coup that he probably did help cause" isn't much better.

>Oh he was just joking about the coup

But he wasn't. He was responding, in kind, to a tweet that came out with a red herring about America organizing coup to benefit Musk. And those guys are a dime a dozen online. Their one trick is to always post about how evil America is regardless of context. They are supremely annoying.

>probably did help cause

Where are you getting that from?

Oh, so he wasn't joking. He was mocking the people who think he should be held accountable for his actions. As they're annoying.

The clear role lithium played on the coup, the known pressure placed by the US to force that coup, and the economic benefit to Tesla both immediately after the coup and long term. I'll admit it's hardly conclusive, but it's enough that his response was terrible.

>He was mocking the people who think he should be held accountable for his actions.

If you're an internet marxist and accuse someone (without evidence) of staging or supporting a coup .. you're not actually holding anyone for their actions... you're just acting like a douchebag marxist.

>and the economic benefit to Tesla both immediately after the coup and long term.

And to you as well, after all, lower lithium prices mean lower prices for any battery-operated electronics. Maybe you're behind this coup as well?

>I'll admit it's hardly conclusive

I think you can state it more strongly than that. It's a conspiracy theory in the mold of infowars.

>you're just acting like a douchebag marxist.

Only Marxists oppose coups? If you don't want people to blame you for a coup, maybe don't make your first public statement about it be a douchebag admission of guilt.

>And to you as well, after all, lower lithium prices mean lower prices for any battery-operated electronics. Maybe you're behind this coup as well?

I would stand to gain a few dollars, Musk would gain billions. As I think the US helped with this coup, I would be behind it as well, but not to the same degree.

>I think you can state it more strongly than that. It's a conspiracy theory in the mold of infowars.

Both the foreign interests ties and the US ties have some evidence, you just can't conclusively show Musk's involvement. Given the events of the past century, suspecting US involvement in a South American coup is hardly crazy.

>Only Marxists oppose coups?

No. But I looked up the twitter account and a hammer/sickle is a tell-tale sign of Marxists.

>you just can't conclusively show Musk's involvement.

Let's be clear, you can't show ANY involvement by Musk. So all you're left with is FUD.

>Let's be clear, you can't show ANY involvement by Musk. So all you're left with is FUD.

Except the bit where he admitted it. I don't have any further evidence that he played a role in an incredibly beneficial event for him, that is true.

>Except the bit where he admitted it.

Let's just agree on this: responding with a troll response to a Marxist troll who accuses you of being complicit with a Bolivian coup, is not 'admitting' anything. It boggles my mind how you can possibly think otherwise.

I think otherwise as a mocking admission is still an admission. I'll agree that his words likely weren't meant to be taken literally, and that it's hardly proves his connection. Still, that response and his further attempts to draw it back don't make him look good.

> Their one trick is to always post about how evil America is regardless of context. They are supremely annoying.

This is a bad faith interpretation of that tweet. They were responding to a tweet about unnecessary government expenditure with an example of another expenditure that (allegedly) Musk supported. You can call it a whataboutism or attack it for a number of other things, but this is an irrelevant strawman.

>This is a bad faith interpretation of that tweet

What are you talking about? The tweet Musk trolled is in bad faith. That doofus accused Musk of staging a coup. And yes, it is 'whataboutism'.

>another expenditure that (allegedly) Musk supported

Allegedly? Who alleged this? Where are you getting that from?

Its pretty clear what I'm talking about given the direct quote and subsequent explanation.

> Allegedly? Who alleged this?

Literally the tweet you are attacking. I'm not sure if you are playing dumb on purpose or what.

Oh.. so the only person who 'alleged' this, was this bad faith doofus who accused Musk of supporting (or staging) the coup in Bolivia. Gotcha ... though I still fail to see what is the a good faith interpretation of that tweet.

The good faith (perhaps better faith is more appropriate) way to interpret it would be as I mentioned, and calling it out for its actual issues instead of trying to soapbox by building a strawman.

I'm not sure what it is you expected. If you start with accusing someone of staging or supporting a coup you lost the right to a good faith interpretation of your motives from that individual. But this is par for course from online marxists.

It will depend on what will the new gov do about the military and police which betrayed the past administration and how many loyal forces as a % of the forces do they have

If they decide to purge it will take less time to "recover", if they make a national unity government, then it might take considerably longer

What are you talking about? Evo morales presented himself in the elections illegally and then he committed fraud as he was loosing.

>he committed fraud as he was loosing.

This claim has been debunked after the OAS finally released their data set. The original report fucked up the time stamps, which means the "hard-to-explain change in the preliminary results" never actual occurred.

He did present himself illegally, but there's no evidence of fraud in the past election, all claims of it come from the now debunked OAS report

Yeah as is typical throughout history with communist regimes, the people always benefit greatly.

>Bolivia’s economy has undergone structural economic transformation during Evo Morales’s presidency. Real (inflation-adjusted) per capita GDP grew by more than 50 percent over these past 13 years. This was twice the rate of growth for the Latin American and Caribbean region. Even as the Latin American regional economy slowed over the past five years, Bolivia had the highest growth of per capita GDP in South America.

https://cepr.net/images/stories/reports/bolivia-macro-2019-1...

Bolivia's GDP per capita is still one of the lowest in Latin America. It's also one of the lowest in the world excluding African nations. It's easier to grow when you're very poor.

Not sure why you’re being downvoted. It’s almost a tautology that it’s easier to double a two dollars than it is to double two trillion. Starting point makes a big difference, and growth alone is not an indication of comparative success.

If a capitalist friendly guy had been in charge, you would not have made this point though. When socialists have success people are always eager to find excuses and when capitalism utterly fails like the Russian shock therapy, people line up to make excuses.

Can’t we just accept that the devil is in the details. Quality of government matters more than you political ideology, with respect to economic growth.

I lived in South America and the amount of Bolivian emigrants, and people in general who leave the country temporarily to use other countries' resources (collecting welfare from other countries and taking advantage of public healthcare in some other South American countries, particularly Argentina) is enough proof for me that Bolivia is not doing very well, whether it is a socialist state or not.