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Re:“35-50% of clicks on Reddit Ads are fraudulent” by Liquix on Friday October 09, 2020 @01:18PM (#24732139)
> I don't want to, ever, see online ads transform into TV ads. Targeting would be okay if it was done properly.

What's so awful about TV ads? I'd be fine with seeing more "mainstream" ads if the tradeoff was no targeting/tracking.

Re:“35-50% of clicks on Reddit Ads are fraudulent” by b_ocu on Friday October 09, 2020 @01:28PM (#24732241)
>the entire selling point of online ads, which is giving a chance to smaller players a chance at the game.

Aunt Mae's cookie shop will never be able to compete with Pepsi for airtime

Re:“35-50% of clicks on Reddit Ads are fraudulent” by noncoml on Friday October 09, 2020 @01:50PM (#24732473)
> Aunt Mae's cookie shop will never be able to compete with Pepsi for airtime

It still can’t compete with CPM

Getting 100 or 1000 impressions vs millions of impression is not really competing for air time.

Re:“35-50% of clicks on Reddit Ads are fraudulent” by nickff on Friday October 09, 2020 @02:04PM (#24732623)
If there's no user information/tracking, what are the chances that any of those ads will be served to a potential customer for the small business? The GP's bottom line is that nobody except large consumer brands should bother advertising.
Re:“35-50% of clicks on Reddit Ads are fraudulent” by earthboundkid on Friday October 09, 2020 @10:29PM (#24736297)
This is a theoretical interesting point. But it does not withstand even cursory empirical research.

Open a newspaper. Look at page two. What do you see? Ads for local businesses. Watch local TV. More ads for small businesses.

Okay, now go to the websites for those newspapers and TV stations. No local businesses. Literally all scam ads.

Re:“35-50% of clicks on Reddit Ads are fraudulent” by perl4ever on Saturday October 10, 2020 @06:56AM (#24738075)
>No local businesses. Literally all scam ads.

I was like "ok, is that really true" so I went and checked, and by golly, you're right. And it's 50-50 the "scam ad" I got is a direct result of a doctor leaking my medical records.

The whole online ad industry should be regulated out of existence.

Re:“35-50% of clicks on Reddit Ads are fraudulent” by nickff on Saturday October 10, 2020 @07:55PM (#24742812)
It sounds like your doctor was a big source of trouble; shouldn’t they be the one regulated out of existence?
Re:“35-50% of clicks on Reddit Ads are fraudulent” by perl4ever on Sunday October 11, 2020 @07:35AM (#24745099)
Actually it was their accountant.

In any case, it's not them who are exploiting the information. The ad industry is like a fence for stolen goods.

It's not that my medical information is top secret; it's that I don't want to see ads about earwax. And I think Google execs should be forced to watch them until they repent and become monks or something.

Re:“35-50% of clicks on Reddit Ads are fraudulent” by gjvnq on Saturday October 10, 2020 @12:37AM (#24736721)
If you allow for location based ads (eg: city level), there may be a chance.
Re:“35-50% of clicks on Reddit Ads are fraudulent” by stanmancan on Friday October 09, 2020 @02:06PM (#24732651)
Except 1000 impressions for a smaller company might still be impactful.
Re:“35-50% of clicks on Reddit Ads are fraudulent” by dec0dedab0de on Friday October 09, 2020 @01:50PM (#24732469)
she will just have to buy ads on smaller websites, maybe during lesser traffic time periods.
Re:“35-50% of clicks on Reddit Ads are fraudulent” by shiftpgdn on Friday October 09, 2020 @02:03PM (#24732615)
Small publishing sites are all but dead. The internet used to be a lovely village where everyone was on about the same playing field and now it's a handful of skyscrapers surrounded by slums.
Re:“35-50% of clicks on Reddit Ads are fraudulent” by dec0dedab0de on Friday October 09, 2020 @03:47PM (#24733697)
sure, but its only been that way for a little over a decade, it could change back just as quicky.
Re:“35-50% of clicks on Reddit Ads are fraudulent” by dylan604 on Friday October 09, 2020 @03:09PM (#24733317)
i would actually consider those towering skyscrapers to be the slums, and the smaller sites to be potential hidden gems.
Re:“35-50% of clicks on Reddit Ads are fraudulent” by dragontamer on Friday October 09, 2020 @03:16PM (#24733381)
That's a lovely theory, but the money is in Youtube and its pretty obvious.

Nearly all the major tech reporting sites have died: TechReport, Hardware Canucks, Linux Journal, etc. etc. When you look at who can actually sustain a modern tech reporting site, its the Youtubers: Linus Tech Tips, Gamers Nexus, etc. etc.

Even then: when the tech reporting sites were around, they were mostly on Google Adsense. The others are on Facebook Ads.

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The sites that are making it possible for small-style discussion to thrive again are new "networks" like Patreon. A lesser evil for sure, but a "Skyscraper" nonetheless.

Re:“35-50% of clicks on Reddit Ads are fraudulent” by earthboundkid on Friday October 09, 2020 @10:31PM (#24736306)
Why advertise on TechReport when you can just profile users and show them tech ads wherever they go? Tracking is poison for niche publishers.
Re:“35-50% of clicks on Reddit Ads are fraudulent” by Nextgrid on Friday October 09, 2020 @01:39PM (#24732365)
The problem is that opening up the market to "Aunt Mae" will also open up the market to malicious players.

The financial barrier of entry of TV & print advertising is a very effective filter against scams. I have yet to see scam ads for fake tech support or "win an iPhone by filling a survey" or some "free" trial which uses unreadable fine print to sign you up for something very expensive, but those are commonplace online.

Re:“35-50% of clicks on Reddit Ads are fraudulent” by stanmancan on Friday October 09, 2020 @02:08PM (#24732670)
So the answer to preventing scam ads is only allowing the richest companies have a chance to advertise?

Surely there’s a better way.

Re:“35-50% of clicks on Reddit Ads are fraudulent” by sk2020 on Friday October 09, 2020 @04:06PM (#24733868)
I worked at a local TV station a while back, and I programmed the commercials. You would be surprised at how little those slots go for. Off prime time, a 15 or 30 second add spot might sell for a couple dollars. At night they’re only a few cents. It was a mid-sized metropolitan area, so I don’t think this would be so out of the ordinary.

To this day, I have no idea how any TV stations are financially solvent.

Re:“35-50% of clicks on Reddit Ads are fraudulent” by Nextgrid on Friday October 09, 2020 @02:40PM (#24733001)
Well, higher prices not only allow for people to be paid decent money to review the ads manually but are also a bigger risk for any scam operation as not only is it more difficult to obtain & move that amount fraudulently (you're not going to be able to buy a TV ad with a stolen credit card) but they also have much more to lose should their entire operation be discovered (presumably, a TV network discovering a fraudulent attempt will report it to the relevant authorities and will not just give the money back).
Re:“35-50% of clicks on Reddit Ads are fraudulent” by beojan on Friday October 09, 2020 @02:10PM (#24732700)
NordVPN's ads have made it onto TV, and a lot of TV ads nowadays are for gambling. Nevertheless it certainly is easier to regulate advertising if it isn't dynamic.
Re:“35-50% of clicks on Reddit Ads are fraudulent” by earthboundkid on Friday October 09, 2020 @10:26PM (#24736285)
Everyone sits around and talks about their favorite TV ads. It’s the “best part of the Super Bowl” according to common wisdom.

No one has ever had a favorite internet banner ad.

Re:“35-50% of clicks on Reddit Ads are fraudulent” by manigandham on Friday October 09, 2020 @10:41PM (#24736338)
Nobody talks about their favorite TV ads.

The Super Bowl specticle is just that, a one-off event where the ads are more like short films and talked about for maybe a day before entirely forgotten.