Honda quits F1, invests in carbon-free tech instead

Re:Honda quits F1, invests in carbon-free tech instead by GhostVII on Sunday October 04, 2020 @10:13PM (#24683947)

I think there problem is that it's just boring to watch because they are so fast - it is extremely hard to pass without hacks like DRS, which makes F1 races really boring to watch. And I'm sure most fans would much rather switch back to the v10 engines even though they are more "obsolete", a conventional powertrain doesn't make them any more boring to watch (it actually makes them more exciting imo).

And if battery technology is ever good enough to last a full F1 race without adding tonnes of extra weight, I'm sure they will switch over to electric. Powertrain isn't the main focus of F1, teams are quite limited in what they can do there.

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Re:Honda quits F1, invests in carbon-free tech instead by snuxoll on Sunday October 04, 2020 @11:14PM (#24684246)

DRS is a hack that is necessary because of the current downforce-heavy aero designs of cars (which is why current F1 cars can still break lap records even though they are slower in many straights than their older siblings). Here’s hoping the 2022 technical regs remove the need for DRS, because it’s a hard-to-balance bandaid for the dirty air problem.

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Re:Honda quits F1, invests in carbon-free tech instead by ImprovedSilence on Monday October 05, 2020 @12:23AM (#24684548)

I attended an F1 race in the V10 era. And my god, the noise! It's like the sky was being torn to shreds. The sensory experience is/was definitely a huge part of being a live spectator. I've been to a few other kinds of races, and nothing ever really came close to that. Just the raw power/pure violence of those cars coming out of a turn with that ear splitting shriek is just phenomenal.

That being said, the booz fueled americana tailgate party weekend that is the indy 500 is pretty high up there in great times. But the actual racing was waaaaaay super less entertaining.

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Re:Honda quits F1, invests in carbon-free tech instead by wastedhours on Monday October 05, 2020 @03:57AM (#24685544)

I once walked the footbridge over the hillclimb at Goodwood during the Festival of Speed as a V10 F1 car went underneath. Was something else entirely.

Seeing the musical demos the Renault team used to do was always interesting too - if you haven't heard an F1 car play God Save The Queen [0] it's a great watch (and a reminder about how controllable they are).

[0] https://youtu.be/XRXwWbo_mX0?t=55

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Re:Honda quits F1, invests in carbon-free tech instead by Buttons840 on Monday October 05, 2020 @12:49AM (#24684646)

Reminds me of seeing a top dragster. The engine "noise" visibly blurred my vision because it was physically vibrating my head.

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Re:Honda quits F1, invests in carbon-free tech instead by notnap on Monday October 05, 2020 @03:58AM (#24685547)

“Thunder Valley” experience at Sonoma (is the first row experience next to beginning of the launch strip) is a worthy upgrade

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Re:Honda quits F1, invests in carbon-free tech instead by draugadrotten on Monday October 05, 2020 @05:01AM (#24685870)

Now you know why musk builds Merlins, Kesters and Raptors and not just Teslas.

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Re:Honda quits F1, invests in carbon-free tech instead by robryan on Sunday October 04, 2020 @11:01PM (#24684169)

I think the midfield racing has actually gotten better this season. If they could just do something about Mercedes being so dominant the sport wouldn’t be in a bad place.

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Re:Honda quits F1, invests in carbon-free tech instead by alexb7c4 on Sunday October 04, 2020 @10:37PM (#24684046)

Any suggestions of racing series more interesting than F1? I tried to watch Blancpain, Super GT, IMSA, Le Mans - all of them seem to have almost non-existent level of overtaking (even worse than in F1 imho)

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Re:Honda quits F1, invests in carbon-free tech instead by rypskar on Monday October 05, 2020 @01:49AM (#24684873)

Try watching rallycross [0], it has lots of action. Depending on your location you can see parts of or all of the races live on YouTube. They have also started with an electric series, project E, that looks promising.

[0]https://www.fiaworldrallycross.com/

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Re:Honda quits F1, invests in carbon-free tech instead by suryabeep on Sunday October 04, 2020 @10:43PM (#24684079)

Try MotoGP, it's got plenty of overtaking.

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Re:Honda quits F1, invests in carbon-free tech instead by sgt on Monday October 05, 2020 @05:34AM (#24686009)

Second this. Not sure why people watch F1. MotoGP is infinitely better and in fact, it seems to just get better each passing year! The secret is that it's "90% rider" and "10% machine".

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Re:Honda quits F1, invests in carbon-free tech instead by randlet on Monday October 05, 2020 @09:12AM (#24687436)

I really think "it's 90% rider and 10% machine" is a big exaggeration in MotoGP. Even Marquez is not going to win a race on a current generation Aprilia, and I'm not sure there is anyone other than Marquez who can win races on the current Honda.

edit: regardless, Dorna has done a great job making MotoGP competitive and MotoGP has to be at or very near the top of the list for the best racing on the planet.

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Re:Honda quits F1, invests in carbon-free tech instead by koffiezet on Monday October 05, 2020 @09:18AM (#24687488)

Ehm machine is still quite important... I haven't followed MotoGP for a while, but I remember when Rossi switched to Ducati...

That said, I always enjoyed watching MotoGP... Maybe should start following it again :P

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Re:Honda quits F1, invests in carbon-free tech instead by sgt on Monday October 05, 2020 @11:18AM (#24688496)

But it was also psychological. Maybe he didn't touch the peg enough.

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Re:Honda quits F1, invests in carbon-free tech instead by raindropm on Monday October 05, 2020 @01:20PM (#24689772)

Also freaks accident that make it quite unpredictable. I clench my butt every time they group together, especially at the start of the race oh god

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Re:Honda quits F1, invests in carbon-free tech instead by flyingfences on Monday October 05, 2020 @08:28AM (#24687086)

I'm a big fan of rally racing. It's a fundamentally different model of motorsports -- driver vs. course instead of driver vs. driver -- so there is no overtaking at all, but the action is still far more exciting.

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Re:Honda quits F1, invests in carbon-free tech instead by ascagnel_ on Monday October 05, 2020 @12:33AM (#24684584)

Formula E, Formula 2, and IndyCar have been producing better on-track racing than F1 pretty consistently — but they’re all spec series, and engine/chassis development is strictly limited.

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Re:Honda quits F1, invests in carbon-free tech instead by wastedhours on Monday October 05, 2020 @04:01AM (#24685569)

Standard season of WEC tends to have more overtaking than Le Mans itself. For interest rather than overtaking, WRC is obviously well up there. And if you really want no-holds barred overtaking, anything on the BTCC schedule should be well up there (well, except F4 and oddly, the Porsche Carrera Cup) - Ginetta Juniors is a particular highlight.

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Re:Honda quits F1, invests in carbon-free tech instead by magicalhippo on Monday October 05, 2020 @05:09AM (#24685892)

I watched a few Supercars[1] races recently, found it quite entertaining.

[1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Supercars_Championship

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Re:Honda quits F1, invests in carbon-free tech instead by snuxoll on Sunday October 04, 2020 @11:15PM (#24684254)

Formula E, it’s what got me to love Motorsport, personally.

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Re:Honda quits F1, invests in carbon-free tech instead by ensiferum on Monday October 05, 2020 @02:07AM (#24684990)

Stadium Supertrucks. They even have ramps for jumping

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