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Re:Is Spotify Killing the Top 40? by mNovak on Monday September 07, 2020 @11:09PM (#24404896)
Yeah I agree. I anticipate some amount of people still discover music on the radio (even pop mega hits you have to hear the first time somewhere), then go seek it out on spotify.

I haven't much been in a car, thus haven't heard the radio, in 7 months. I have no idea what's on the top 40 right now.

Re:Is Spotify Killing the Top 40? by chrisseaton on Tuesday September 08, 2020 @04:29AM (#24406363)
> I haven't much been in a car, thus haven't heard the radio, in 7 months.

What's the connection between being in a car and listening to the radio?

Do people not generally have radios in their homes where you live? And you must have a phone or laptop to be typing this where you could listen to the radio!

Re:Is Spotify Killing the Top 40? by nullandvoid on Tuesday September 08, 2020 @04:48AM (#24406473)
The connection is, most people I know would listen to the radio in a car?

Not saying there's not other ways to consume. but as an anecdote myself or my partner never listen to radio anywhere but in my car either, it's pretty common I believe!

Re:Is Spotify Killing the Top 40? by theshrike79 on Tuesday September 08, 2020 @05:11AM (#24406596)
Radio just works. Someone else is choosing the playlist and you kinda hear the music in between the ads and annoying hosts.

At home, I can select what I want to hear. I don't need to keep my attention on the road.

Re:Is Spotify Killing the Top 40? by chrisseaton on Tuesday September 08, 2020 @05:53AM (#24406848)
Do you not have radio stations where you value how the host selects, curates, and gives the background to the music for you?

What about the current affairs, plays, comedy, history?

I can’t imagine going without the radio!

Re:Is Spotify Killing the Top 40? by ndespres on Tuesday September 08, 2020 @09:29AM (#24408121)
No, not really in America. There are a few freeform music stations that still have actual DJs in the booth selecting records that they like, but mostly al the FM broadcast stations here are owned by 1 or 2 advertising companies who play preselected songs, have canned DJ banter, and a very low music-to-ad ratio.
Re:Is Spotify Killing the Top 40? by chrisseaton on Tuesday September 08, 2020 @10:46AM (#24408910)
Isn't A Prairie Home Companion a massive thing in the US?
Re:Is Spotify Killing the Top 40? by theshrike79 on Tuesday September 08, 2020 @08:53AM (#24407878)
Yes, but their shows are on at 2200-2300 on thursdays or something. The people who are active during the times I'm in my car are the morning jockeys who cater to the lowest common denominator.

I'm commuting at not-even-close-to-that-time. Can't get their shows even as podcasts, because the music rights would cost an arm and a leg.

Re:Is Spotify Killing the Top 40? by CydeWeys on Tuesday September 08, 2020 @10:24AM (#24408680)
They started dying out heavily over a decade ago. The best remaining stations are the local NPR stations, then there's the cesspool of talk radio stations, and there are some local gems like WFMU here in NYC which I stream online.
Re:Is Spotify Killing the Top 40? by fnord123 on Tuesday September 08, 2020 @07:23AM (#24407312)
That's understandable because you have BBC Radio. Not every country has access to such high quality.
Re:Is Spotify Killing the Top 40? by heavenlyblue on Tuesday September 08, 2020 @05:23AM (#24406671)
> Do people not generally have radios in their homes where you live?

No.

> And you must have a phone or laptop to be typing this where you could listen to the radio!

Do I need an RTL-SDR?

Re:Is Spotify Killing the Top 40? by chrisseaton on Tuesday September 08, 2020 @05:44AM (#24406788)
No I mean every radio station I know streams over the Internet as well.
Re:Is Spotify Killing the Top 40? by rhodysurf on Tuesday September 08, 2020 @10:10AM (#24408513)
Why would I choose listen to the radio with ads when I can listen to music without ads instead?
Re:Is Spotify Killing the Top 40? by chrisseaton on Tuesday September 08, 2020 @10:50AM (#24408964)
Not all radio has adverts though.
Re:Is Spotify Killing the Top 40? by CydeWeys on Tuesday September 08, 2020 @10:23AM (#24408666)
I'm in the US, and no, younger people do not generally have standalone radios anymore. Music listening happens on digital devices these days, primarily via streaming (whether it be YouTube or Spotify).
Re:Is Spotify Killing the Top 40? by Ceezy on Tuesday September 08, 2020 @06:47AM (#24407131)
The radio model is heavily influence by cars listener. Sometimes marketing tools are just not able to track if customers left or just moved to another category.
Re:Is Spotify Killing the Top 40? by rob74 on Tuesday September 08, 2020 @04:48AM (#24406477)
Being in a car with spotty mobile connection which prevents people from using Spotify is apparently the biggest niche left for radio...
Re:Is Spotify Killing the Top 40? by tomcam on Tuesday September 08, 2020 @02:08AM (#24405613)
WAP.
Re:Is Spotify Killing the Top 40? by menybuvico on Tuesday September 08, 2020 @02:51AM (#24405821)
I got curious and listened to it, and after listening to that load of rubbish, I simply don't feel connected with society anymore. Do people actually listen to this and like it, or is it just the perceived shock value that counts?
Re:Is Spotify Killing the Top 40? by dredmorbius on Tuesday September 08, 2020 @03:38AM (#24406061)
"Rock and roll" is an explicit reference to the sex act and "jazz" the usual male contribution to same. Mick Jagger couldn't "get no satisfaction", the Beatles asked "why don't we do it in the road", Nina Simone wanted "some sugar in my bowl", one-not-really-a-hit-wonder Hillary instructed listeners to "drop your pants around your ankles" (https://youtube.com/watch?v=Wu9Zps8vnEY), and then there's pretty much everything about Barry White.

WAP isn't the most nuanced contribution to this tradition, but it's hardly the first work exploiting the common-denominator. Its shock value largely lies in its novelty. In another 2-6 decades it will make the transition to familiar and then oldy. No predictions if it will be ranked with Simone, White, Jagger, the Beatles, or Hillary.

Not my cuppa, though I got off the pop train a few decades back.

Re:Is Spotify Killing the Top 40? by 082349872349872 on Tuesday September 08, 2020 @05:24AM (#24406679)
Also folk music[1]: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24130589

(peasants with little to no agricultural surplus aren't interested in freemartins, neither four- nor two-legged. Compare "we also have a ‘big’ cycle of generations" in https://acoup.blog/2020/07/24/collections-bread-how-did-they... )

I'm not intending to watch WAP until I must in order to understand a parody. There's certainly no shortage of other musical sublimation, such as the pin-up pastiche of https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MpuemnGD-44 .

Bonus clip (with gentlemen, it's "ladies first"): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pDcixye_0Jo

[1] is there any popular genre that lacks in innuendo? Those highly-censored soviets produced https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1tDZl_wj8Fo , which raises a pose estimation question: how could the eponymous girl's tears possibly fall directly on such long spears? Was she standing on a ladder?

Even the Taliban, I believe, allow arguably amorous lyrics, as long as (a) they're not accompanied by instrumentals, and (b) the surface meaning of "beloved" is the divine.

Re:Is Spotify Killing the Top 40? by tomcam on Tuesday September 08, 2020 @10:29PM (#24416238)
Those Russian/Soviet clips were all wonderful, thanks. Also just plain good pop songs.
Re:Is Spotify Killing the Top 40? by dredmorbius on Tuesday September 08, 2020 @05:56AM (#24406864)
The theme goes way back:

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Song%20of%20Sol...

(By no means the earliest.)

Re:Is Spotify Killing the Top 40? by 082349872349872 on Tuesday September 08, 2020 @07:01AM (#24407205)
Hmm...

    Do not gaze at me because I am dark,
    because the sun has looked upon me.
    My mother's sons were angry with me;
    they made me keeper of the vineyards,
suggests another layer to:

    Там смуглянка-молдаванка
    Собирала виноград.

    there's a dark-skinned moldavian girl
    harvesting the grapes
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HSc3fVBjYks

(The violinist's earrings don't contradict my white/red theory: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24382154 )

Re:Is Spotify Killing the Top 40? by menybuvico on Tuesday September 08, 2020 @07:17AM (#24407282)
Oh, I don't have a problem with explicit lyrics and am perfectly well aware of sex' and love's statuses as the most common tropes in lyrics. It's just that this particular "song" is so horribly bad that I simply can't understand how anyone could endure it.
Re:Is Spotify Killing the Top 40? by dredmorbius on Tuesday September 08, 2020 @08:56AM (#24407903)
I will admit that even "Drop your pants" has some playful redemption which evokes a smile that I've yet to appreciate in WAP.

But musically, "Drop" is pretty pants.

Re:Is Spotify Killing the Top 40? by master-litty on Tuesday September 08, 2020 @06:06AM (#24406906)
I think it's an insightful look at today's society, and I'm fond of it. It's a result of the ongoing sex pride and positivity movement in the US.

Anecdotally, recent generations have been raised with sexual repression and frustration. The most obvious example is announcing yourself as gay and being very literally banished from your family household, but it is layered quite deeply -- I can go into detail, but in general, sex continues to be an unspoken and embarrassing topic that you figure out yourself in private.

Since these urges are natural and part of the human experience, the whole treatment is odd and is often seen as uncaring. If you experience it, it puts you in an odd place: The repression forces you to either build a fiercely negative connection with sex, or develop a positive connection while having a struggled and inauthentic relationship with your family.

There is a growingly open sentiment that it is healthy and natural to want to have sex, and to have it safely, and perhaps with multiple partners over the course of your life if it suits you, and perhaps with multiple partners at the same time if that suits you too, and to tell all your friends about what a great (or awful) time you had afterward.

The novelty and "shock value" of this song, if you will, is being able to discuss these topics without consequence. And it reinforces something that is newly ingrained in society: To be more open and encouraging of safe sex for all is aligned with an active social movement that is making a difference to a lot of people, one that brings us closer to inner desires previously repressed.

This song is especially fun for a few reasons but putting the silly absurdist humor aside, I see people get hooked because it strikes this social chord really hard, demonstrating this generation's cultural shift in a comically honest way. A progressive household has both partners happily and willfully cooking and cleaning regularly, so to be a more desirable partner there's pressure to offer something else extraordinary -- "I don't cook, I don't clean, but let me tell you how I got this ring".

On a meta level, it's a comfortable beat for the bedroom and it sets a mood that is more primal. On another meta level, there's also a novelty that this song could only get to this level of popularity right now, realistically. It's not a song you can play on the radio or in stores.

Re:Is Spotify Killing the Top 40? by goto11 on Tuesday September 08, 2020 @05:41AM (#24406769)
Did you know the original version of "Tutti Frutti" (Little Richard, 1955) was about anal sex? ("If it don't fit, don't force it / You can grease it, make it easy")

If you are appalled by that, fair enough. It is not something particularly new though. Of course people at the time also saw Rock'n'roll as bringing the end of civilized society.

The furor caused by WAP is pretty hilarious to see.

Re:Is Spotify Killing the Top 40? by menybuvico on Wednesday September 09, 2020 @03:49AM (#24418430)
People have been making sexual references in song lyrics since the dawn of time, and that's perfectly fine.

As mentioned in a sibling comment, it's not the explicit lyrics but the extremely low quality of the entire production that puts me off.

Re:Is Spotify Killing the Top 40? by goto11 on Wednesday September 09, 2020 @08:28AM (#24420248)
If so, can you articulate how it is "extremely low quality" compared to others songs in the same genre?
Re:Is Spotify Killing the Top 40? by menybuvico on Thursday September 10, 2020 @05:56AM (#24430652)
Too much profanities stuffed in, to such an extent that the desire to provoke takes up any space that could have been used for some kind of artistic expression. Or something. The track is simply a waste of time.
Re:Is Spotify Killing the Top 40? by geraltofrivia on Tuesday September 08, 2020 @02:58AM (#24405852)
WAP specifically feels like an experiment. A female singer's equivalent to the overtly sexual hiphop. In music, and in video.

Anecdotal: Friends have acknowledged that they're more disgusted by it than the male singer's counterparts. I admit I am, too. And this is regardless of the particular singer's ability to sing/rap, or the lack thereof.

Re:Is Spotify Killing the Top 40? by Freak_NL on Tuesday September 08, 2020 @04:47AM (#24406467)
Interesting. What makes it more disgusting?

Artistic merits aside, the (uncensored version of the) song and the music video seem justly regarded as a feminist redressing of the balance (if men can rap explicitly about being horny and wanting sex, so can women).

Re:Is Spotify Killing the Top 40? by geraltofrivia on Tuesday September 08, 2020 @04:59AM (#24406532)
I recognise that, and thus acknowledge the importance of WAP, but I guess I'm more conditioned to expect this behaviour from men than from women? And the song makes me realise, and possibly correct for it, down the line.
Re:Is Spotify Killing the Top 40? by tomcam on Tuesday September 08, 2020 @09:34PM (#24415772)
Experiment? Little late for that. Nicki Minaj has been doing songs like this, better, for years
Re:Is Spotify Killing the Top 40? by circlefavshape on Tuesday September 08, 2020 @04:28AM (#24406358)
I don't like the song much. It feels, as a straight guy, like a record label is manipulating me - using my sexuality as lever to increase their stream count.

On the other hand - it's just bawdiness. Humorous role play. It's not as if it's a new invention

Re:Is Spotify Killing the Top 40? by goto11 on Tuesday September 08, 2020 @06:14AM (#24406937)
> like a record label is manipulating me - using my sexuality as lever to increase their stream count.

You mean the same way James Bond movies are "manipulating" you to buy tickets?