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Re:The rise and fall of the industrial R&D lab by rowanG077 on Sunday August 30, 2020 @11:25AM (#24323484)
It sounds almost comical. "Other than the transistor". The transistor is one of the most important inventions humanity ever made.
Re:The rise and fall of the industrial R&D lab by whateveracct on Sunday August 30, 2020 @12:04PM (#24323701)
tbh the fallacy is thinking that invention is unique to the inventor

because the transistor is so fundamental, we probably could've worked towards it in hundreds of different ways than Bell Labs

but that's a big thing in tech circles - thinking a person or entity doing some technical feat is somehow a sign that they are otherworldly

Re:The rise and fall of the industrial R&D lab by ColanR on Sunday August 30, 2020 @12:52PM (#24324031)
That's really easy to say in retrospect, just like it's easy to say any major discovery was inevitable after we've already discovered it.
Re:The rise and fall of the industrial R&D lab by HarryHirsch on Sunday August 30, 2020 @01:13PM (#24324191)
But it is really like that. It depends on the groundwork that's there, technical capabilities and tooling. Once that's in place it only takes a lucky guy to pluck the discovery out of the air.

Consider dual-space methods in crystallography. Herb Hauptman is credited with the discovery. My undergraduate advisor obliquely mentioned that he had done something similar in 1986 - obtain atom positions from direct methods, then do a few cycles of tangent refinement from the highest peaks. It reduces map noise considerably.

Computers were simply too slow at that time to use this as a general method of solving 1000-atom structures, so the approach remained an afterthought. But the possibilities were noted once the computing power was there.

Re:The rise and fall of the industrial R&D lab by rowanG077 on Sunday August 30, 2020 @01:48PM (#24324496)
It is like that. But simply discoveries being delayed could delay technical advancement for decades and even centuries in the long run.
Re:The rise and fall of the industrial R&D lab by ColanR on Sunday August 30, 2020 @07:00PM (#24326741)
The problem is, that lucky guy can take an indefinitely long time to show up.

I heard recently about the Scythe Project. Apparently, the scythe was never invented in some places, including India. That's a long time for the lucky guy to never show up.

Re:The rise and fall of the industrial R&D lab by obastani on Sunday August 30, 2020 @07:38PM (#24326966)
According to Wikipedia [1], the transistor was independently rediscovered by two German physicists just a year later (1948).

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transistor#History

Re:The rise and fall of the industrial R&D lab by rowanG077 on Sunday August 30, 2020 @12:10PM (#24323741)
Probably yes. But let's say the transistor would have been invented 20 years later by a university. The world would look completely different today. Simply saying we could have invented it some other way disregards the continous impact a result in research makes.