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Re:The App Store is a monopoly: Here's why the EU is correct... by skuthus on Friday July 31, 2020 @04:44PM (#24013790)
You can still have what you want and give people other options. It's called choice. We deserve to be able to choose
Re:The App Store is a monopoly: Here's why the EU is correct... by drivingmenuts on Friday July 31, 2020 @04:55PM (#24013950)
Let’s be precise here. You want to be able to choose.

If you can force thru a change to allow other app stores on an IDevice, and Apple still refuses to follow thru, then you can say you deserve it.

Wanting a thing is not the same as deserving it. Choice does not exist until you have options.

That said, I’m in favor of opening up other App Stores, so Apple can boot the all crapware and focus on a small number of high-quality, trustable apps, which they can market as such. Apple and the developers could charge a premium for being trusted and consumers would be able trust that they are actually receiving the best-in-class apps for their device.

Then, if consumers want to go to some cut-rate App Store and buy crap apps, that’s on them.

That’s a win-win all around.

Re:The App Store is a monopoly: Here's why the EU is correct... by skuthus on Friday July 31, 2020 @04:58PM (#24014002)
It's a bit pedantic, but okay. I philosophically believe that we deserve to choose - you are right that the reality is different. I would like to make it the same.
Re:The App Store is a monopoly: Here's why the EU is correct... by drivingmenuts on Friday July 31, 2020 @08:28PM (#24016061)
It may seem pedantic, but it’s a useful distinction. ‘Deserves’ implies that you’ll get something without giving up anything. If you want a thing, then you can negotiate for it, each party giving up something to get their desired outcome.

What would you be willing to give up so that Apple would support your desired outcome more?

Re:The App Store is a monopoly: Here's why the EU is correct... by simonh on Friday July 31, 2020 @04:49PM (#24013844)
You can choose, go and choose one of the other 70% of the phones on the market.
Re:The App Store is a monopoly: Here's why the EU is correct... by bsaul on Friday July 31, 2020 @04:56PM (#24013983)
ios has reached a critical mass that makes it impossible to avoid for a huge number of apps if they want to be profitable, especially in rich countries.
Re:The App Store is a monopoly: Here's why the EU is correct... by searchableguy on Friday July 31, 2020 @04:54PM (#24013929)
This. Go choose a better job if you are poor. There are many.
Re:The App Store is a monopoly: Here's why the EU is correct... by simonh on Friday July 31, 2020 @05:35PM (#24014473)
That’s very unfair. I believe in capitalism, yes, because I believe in individual freedom and personal property rights. That really all capitalism is. But I also believe in a caring society, as citizens were all in this together. Citizenship comes with obligations as well as rights and we should look after our own.
Re:The App Store is a monopoly: Here's why the EU is correct... by kennydude on Friday July 31, 2020 @05:04PM (#24014069)
Sure, when Apple will just sue any competitor for "infringing" on it's millions of stupid software patents
Re:The App Store is a monopoly: Here's why the EU is correct... by scarface74 on Friday July 31, 2020 @06:59PM (#24015261)
When has Apple initiated a patent lawsuit since Cook became CEO?
Re:The App Store is a monopoly: Here's why the EU is correct... by Apocryphon on Friday July 31, 2020 @08:02PM (#24015872)
Re:The App Store is a monopoly: Here's why the EU is correct... by scarface74 on Friday July 31, 2020 @08:11PM (#24015941)
Words Mean Things. That lawsuit didn’t initiate under Cook.
Re:The App Store is a monopoly: Here's why the EU is correct... by Apocryphon on Friday July 31, 2020 @08:17PM (#24015985)
Re:The App Store is a monopoly: Here's why the EU is correct... by scarface74 on Friday July 31, 2020 @09:29PM (#24016462)
Those are lawsuits to invalidate patents not to sue other people for using their patents.
Re:The App Store is a monopoly: Here's why the EU is correct... by Apocryphon on Friday July 31, 2020 @10:14PM (#24016754)
You asked for patent lawsuits initiated under Cook's CEO tenure. Words Mean Things.
Re:The App Store is a monopoly: Here's why the EU is correct... by simonh on Saturday August 01, 2020 @01:58AM (#24018032)
The thread was explicitly about apple suing other companies over using their patents. You know that’s the context.
Re:The App Store is a monopoly: Here's why the EU is correct... by skuthus on Friday July 31, 2020 @04:50PM (#24013866)
I can and I do - but that doesnt mean I dont think that the option should exist on iOS
Re:The App Store is a monopoly: Here's why the EU is correct... by chrisseaton on Friday July 31, 2020 @05:28PM (#24014379)
> We deserve to be able to choose

People at Apple choose not to spend their time, money, and energy on supporting third-party app stores.

You can choose to do whatever you want. But you can't force people at Apple to choose to do something.

Re:The App Store is a monopoly: Here's why the EU is correct... by mathnovice on Friday July 31, 2020 @05:33PM (#24014439)
>Apple choose not to spend their time, money, and energy on supporting third-party app stores.

Apple doesn't need to support third party app stores. Apple actively hinders them.

Re:The App Store is a monopoly: Here's why the EU is correct... by chrisseaton on Friday July 31, 2020 @05:36PM (#24014485)
They'd have to write extra code compared to what they have now to do this, and then they've had to support that code. They don't want to. Why on earth should they want to spend time writing code to run other people's businesses that they aren't involved in.

Do you require that McDonald's will sell you a Pepsi, when McDonald's want to sell you Coca-Cola? Do you demand that you should be allowed to set up a Pepsi store inside a McDonalds?

Re:The App Store is a monopoly: Here's why the EU is correct... by mathnovice on Wednesday August 05, 2020 @01:43PM (#24063432)
> They'd have to write extra code compared to what they have now to do this

How would they have to write extra code to support this? They already support 3rd party apps. Your analogies are bad.

Re:The App Store is a monopoly: Here's why the EU is correct... by ac29 on Friday July 31, 2020 @11:18PM (#24017100)
They wouldnt need to write more code, theyd need to remove code. Third party app stores already exist for iOS with no assistance from Apple, they are just prevented from running unless the device is jailbroken.

Granted, they might choose to write some code to manage how these additional stores work, but theres no technical reason I can think of that they would have to.