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Re:Twitter says it's looking at subscription options as ad r... by mgav on Thursday July 23, 2020 @12:31PM (#23929106)
I bet a $12/year "Editor" option that simply allowed those users to use <i>italics</i> would be widely used, generating $$$ without disrupting what people love about Twitter.
Re:Twitter says it's looking at subscription options as ad r... by 101008 on Thursday July 23, 2020 @01:10PM (#23929582)
The thing is: Am I paying as a content generator, or as a content consumer? I can't think a good feature for the second option, but I can think for the first one.

As a content generator, I'd pay for stuff like: 1. My tweets appear on my followers timeline always (or with priority, if they don't use Latest tweets). 2. I have better analytics, as: How many of my followers logged in on the last week, last month, etc? 3. My tweets re-appear automatically in different timezones when the other half of my public is waking up*

* This is because my main public is UK and USA. Tweeting something on UK morning is missed by USA, specially west coast. Waiting for it, it would make it useless for the UK people.

Re:Twitter says it's looking at subscription options as ad r... by marrone12 on Thursday July 23, 2020 @01:24PM (#23929761)
I would hate to know that my feed is now prioritized by those with the biggest wallets.
Re:Twitter says it's looking at subscription options as ad r... by cameronbrown on Thursday July 23, 2020 @01:34PM (#23929877)
It already is.
Re:Twitter says it's looking at subscription options as ad r... by Groxx on Thursday July 23, 2020 @01:45PM (#23930020)
Almost exactly like Facebook, I'd think. Would you like to boost your comment to reach another 5,000 viewers for only $50?
Re:Twitter says it's looking at subscription options as ad r... by 101008 on Thursday July 23, 2020 @01:28PM (#23929807)
You are right.
Re:Twitter says it's looking at subscription options as ad r... by EduardoBautista on Thursday July 23, 2020 @06:06PM (#23932982)
I think no ads is a great option for consumers.
Re:Twitter says it's looking at subscription options as ad r... by Androider on Thursday July 23, 2020 @01:38PM (#23929919)
Even if a few million people signed up for that (which is a stretch IMO), it amounts to chump change that probably doesn't cover the cost of their content moderation team alone. You can't build a business on $12/year.

The trick is to charge Twitter business account $399/mo for something... like a business verified badge or the ability to edit and curate their own posts and replies.

Re:Twitter says it's looking at subscription options as ad r... by CharlesW on Thursday July 23, 2020 @01:56PM (#23930150)
> You can't build a business on $12/year.

And yet they appear to have done that on $0 of user-contributed revenue. Can you help me understand why it's better to leave that money on the table?

Re:Twitter says it's looking at subscription options as ad r... by tonyedgecombe on Friday July 24, 2020 @09:00AM (#23938900)
Imagine that $12 is to remove ads. That on its own would destroy most of the ad revenue because the people likely to put their hand in their pocket are exactly the ones advertisers want to target.
Re:Twitter says it's looking at subscription options as ad r... by minikites on Thursday July 23, 2020 @01:39PM (#23929938)
>content moderation team

Twitter has one? Could have fooled me.

Re:Twitter says it's looking at subscription options as ad r... by mdoms on Thursday July 23, 2020 @01:52PM (#23930098)
Just 2 days ago the content moderation was in the news including a very controversial hn thread.

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23912455

Re:Twitter says it's looking at subscription options as ad r... by minikites on Thursday July 23, 2020 @02:08PM (#23930309)
And before that?
Re:Twitter says it's looking at subscription options as ad r... by fomine3 on Monday July 27, 2020 @08:15PM (#23970884)
Italics are generally not used for Japanese text and maybe for other languages like Chinese. Bold looks like more general
Re:Twitter says it's looking at subscription options as ad r... by netsharc on Thursday July 23, 2020 @12:55PM (#23929370)
Just googled the replacement hacks using unicode. If Twitter offered styles for a fee, people would probably use those workarounds, e.g. to get italics 𝑠𝑡𝑟𝑖𝑛𝑔.

Although these are probably not searchable.. Edit: hmm Ctrl-F actually finds "string"!

Re:Twitter says it's looking at subscription options as ad r... by progval on Thursday July 23, 2020 @01:17PM (#23929666)
> Although these are probably not searchable.. Edit: hmm Ctrl-F actually finds "string"!

Depends on the search engine. And Ctrl-F is already unusable on Twitter Web anyway, because it only works on tweets in the viewport (or close to it)

Re:Twitter says it's looking at subscription options as ad r... by whatch on Thursday July 23, 2020 @02:00PM (#23930203)
Is it browser's limitation?

I had issues, when tried to search in a very long <textarea> with scrollbar. Firefox was able to find only currently visible occurrences. That was not a viewport issue, of course, but looks very similar. Would love to know more about all this.

Re:Twitter says it's looking at subscription options as ad r... by progval on Thursday July 23, 2020 @04:27PM (#23931881)
No, it's because Twitter Web removes elements from the DOM when they are far from the viewport.

There are two ways you can see it:

1. Open a DOM debugger, select an element in a tweet, scroll down. Eventually the element disappears.

2. In Firefox, scroll down, right click, "Take a screenshot", "Complete page". You'll see tweet far from the viewport, as well as header and sidebars are invisible.

The motivation is probably to make it faster, but it's unclear to me why removing (and later re-adding) elements in Javascript would be more efficient than the browser internally dealing with it.

Re:Twitter says it's looking at subscription options as ad r... by throwaway_pdp09 on Thursday July 23, 2020 @01:38PM (#23929915)
Could you elaborate on what's meant by viewport in this context as, like this, it's new to me. TIA
Re:Twitter says it's looking at subscription options as ad r... by xrendan on Thursday July 23, 2020 @01:43PM (#23929990)
What's currently displayed in the browser window [0]

[0] https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Glossary/Viewport

Re:Twitter says it's looking at subscription options as ad r... by tdeck on Thursday July 23, 2020 @02:11PM (#23930345)
The big problem with these hacks is that they completely break on screen readers. IIUC the software either skips them entirely or reads each letter out like "bold script t, bold script h, hold script e..."
Re:Twitter says it's looking at subscription options as ad r... by m3kw9 on Thursday July 23, 2020 @01:39PM (#23929930)
Subscribe to our italics button?
Re:Twitter says it's looking at subscription options as ad r... by donmcronald on Thursday July 23, 2020 @05:54PM (#23932788)
Ya. L#l. N# thanks. I'm saving #p s# I can b#y a subscriptio# t# #se the last tw# v#wels. N# m#ney f#r italics ATM.