Re:Zoom Earth: Website lets you look at live satellite photo...
by neave on Monday July 20, 2020 @06:37PM
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Some details: It combines near real-time images from multiple geostationary satellites, updated every 10 minutes (with a delay of ~30 minutes). NASA GOES satellite for the Americas, Japan's Himawari-8 for Asia and Meteosat in Europe/Africa. Zoomable up to 500m per pixel. Beyond that it uses historical imagery from Microsoft and Esri.
Re:Zoom Earth: Website lets you look at live satellite photo...
by jrichardshaw on Monday July 20, 2020 @08:40PM
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Oh, that's interesting. ESA says they distribute the Sentinel data free of charge as far as I can tell. So I guess the issue is that you'd need to download and host the data yourself, rather than just do an API call to someone else's archive?
Re:Zoom Earth: Website lets you look at live satellite photo...
by supernova87a on Monday July 20, 2020 @06:41PM
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I wouldn't call it the "live" you would expect (although depends on what you were expecting -- I wasn't honestly expecting a live view of "anywhere on Earth", but at least some level of detail). As soon as you zoom in to any level of <100km detail it reverts to years-old imagery. I guess it's understandable -- since when you get to that level, clearly they are picking/choosing the imagery that's cloud-free, etc.
It's more like a "live" view if you were to look at the entire Earth at once from the Apollo capsule...
Re:Zoom Earth: Website lets you look at live satellite photo...
by qeternity on Monday July 20, 2020 @06:44PM
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Well the only way to get “live” imagery at any level of perceptible detail is to be a three letter agency. Even the highest levels of private sector aren’t tasking satellites with that level of latency.
Re:Zoom Earth: Website lets you look at live satellite photo...
by supernova87a on Monday July 20, 2020 @06:48PM
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Sure, that's fair. But what / who then are they trying to sell the idea of with the phrase "live"? Is any average person really interested in a "live" view of the whole Earth, such that it would be meaningfully different or changed compared to the static blue marble photo we're all familiar with? I think we all know what we're interested in when we think of "live"... things at the <<1km level.
Re:Zoom Earth: Website lets you look at live satellite photo...
by jjulius on Monday July 20, 2020 @06:59PM
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Sure, we can't zoom in, but I thought that this was pretty cool. Yeah we've seen photos of the planet from a distance, but printed maps and Google/Apple/et. al.'s map software condition us to forget about how widespread cloud cover is. So, to me, an "average person", it's interesting to see the world "as-is" right now - the various storms around the world, the fact that the cloud cover near my house is something I only ever think about locally but, upon viewing this, is so obviously part of a much, much bigger system that extends thousands of miles beyond my locale, the neat kind of horizontal "line" of clouds stretching around the planet along the equator, etc.
Yeah, I'm not going to spend a lot of time checking this out, but it's still really neat for a few minutes.
Edit: User qeternity responded to your post as well, and I'll also echo their comment about how seeing this whole planet as something that's minutes old building a strong connection/appreciation is another great point.
Re:Zoom Earth: Website lets you look at live satellite photo...
by neave on Monday July 20, 2020 @06:57PM
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I'm the developer of Zoom Earth. "Live" is shorthand for "near real-time". But, you're right. Most visitors simply want to see their house from space. Which is understandable, but also kinda depressing. They could look at _anywhere in the world in near realtime_, but they wanna see what their roof or garden looks like.
Re:Zoom Earth: Website lets you look at live satellite photo...
by anigbrowl on Tuesday July 21, 2020 @02:08AM
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I guess it's pretty normal to check your own place because you know it well enough to rate the quality of the imagery. In this case, whatever you're using offers better and more recent resolution than Google Earth at greater speed so it's my New Favorite Thing.
Re:Zoom Earth: Website lets you look at live satellite photo...
by guenthert on Tuesday July 21, 2020 @12:22PM
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> They could look at _anywhere in the world in near realtime_, but they wanna see what their roof or garden looks like.
I'm sure, they are interested in more. They might pick their home first, as they are familiar with it and can compare the pictures you provide with their mental image. You have to gain their trust first.
Re:Zoom Earth: Website lets you look at live satellite photo...
by raphman on Tuesday July 21, 2020 @05:42AM
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From which year are the cloudless images shown when deselecting the live/daily layers? There seems to be one per month but all from the same year, right?
It's interesting to see how winter is taking hold of the planet - but a little bit disappointing that I cannot compare snowy areas between different years.
Re:Zoom Earth: Website lets you look at live satellite photo...
by AYBABTME on Monday July 20, 2020 @07:45PM
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I'm super happy to see this website personally, seeing the weather patterns and being able to timestep through them historically is really awesome. I'm a sailor, so that's my angle.
Re:Zoom Earth: Website lets you look at live satellite photo...
by qeternity on Monday July 20, 2020 @06:52PM
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Large weather patterns are the first thing that jump out to me. But perhaps the knowledge that the blue marble you’re looking at is mere minutes old builds a stronger connection and appreciation for it.
Either way I think it’s cool, even if it lacks the Jason Bourne resolution.
Re:Zoom Earth: Website lets you look at live satellite photo...
by _-___________-_ on Tuesday July 21, 2020 @07:15AM
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Back when drones were a relatively new thing and I lived in a country where people don't get upset about this kind of thing, we sent a drone down to see how busy our local pub was.
Re:Zoom Earth: Website lets you look at live satellite photo...
by kfrzcode on Monday July 20, 2020 @07:16PM
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Is it theoretically, and practically possible for a private company to task a satellite with this level of latency/detail? Are there laws/regulations in this regard? Or is it more a technical/financial barrier?
Re:Zoom Earth: Website lets you look at live satellite photo...
by netsharc on Tuesday July 21, 2020 @05:25AM
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When they were looking for the missing Malaysian airliner, there were "fresh" (I guess days old) satellite images for people to look through, although the detail level was not that great.
I think a commercial satellite imaging company supplied the images for free.
Re:Zoom Earth: Website lets you look at live satellite photo...
by crazygringo on Monday July 20, 2020 @11:14PM
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First of all, this is super super super cool.
But also... I'm super confused about the nighttime imagery.
Looking at daytime imagery from this afternoon over the US, everything looks legit -- it looks "real", shadows from clouds get longer as the sun gets lower in the sky, shadows on mountain ranges change, etc.
But as soon as it transitions to night, all realism goes out the window. Urban areas are absurdly bright, clouds are still blindingly white on top, the pattern of lights don't change even a tiny bit throughout the night... it's like it's no longer using photos but combining a static nighttime image with radar-detected clouds drawn on top. The gradient between daytime and nighttime also seems highly artificial.
Do other people agree that the nighttime imagery is totally simulated, not photographs at all? I'd just kind of like to see a version that showed real nighttime imagery, even if it was mostly super-dark (but they could HDR it which would be fine too).
Re:Zoom Earth: Website lets you look at live satellite photo...
by JonathonW on Monday July 20, 2020 @11:46PM
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> I'd just kind of like to see a version that showed real nighttime imagery, even if it was mostly super-dark (but they could HDR it which would be fine too).
The image that’s being used here (for the US imagery) is what CIRA calls GeoColor: true-color imagery during the day (with simulated green channel; the GOES-R satellites don’t have a green channel), and multispectral IR composited on top of a static city lights image at night.
Re:Zoom Earth: Website lets you look at live satellite photo...
by ancientworldnow on Monday July 20, 2020 @11:38PM
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This is using GOES imagery for "live" North America which uses multispectral IR for night [1] but True Color for day. Once you pass a certain zoom level, it switches to historical imagery from Microsoft.
Side note, you can receive GOES images straight from the satellite yourself with a $30 SDR, a $30 LNA, and an antenna made from scrap (or ~$100 if you're not handy).
Re:Zoom Earth: Website lets you look at live satellite photo...
by crazygringo on Monday July 20, 2020 @11:45PM
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Ah ha that explains it perfectly, thanks.
I've always been curious what a real day+night satellite image looks like. The simulated ones always show urban areas as absurdly bright.
Does anyone have links to satellite imagery that shows the actual full real transition from daytime to nighttime, at a constant camera exposure so without exaggeration?
Re:Zoom Earth: Website lets you look at live satellite photo...
by aeternum on Tuesday July 21, 2020 @12:55AM
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This isn't constant exposure throughout but at some points you can see the transition pretty clearly such as 21:32, some great shots: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NM2wtte1JRE
Re:Zoom Earth: Website lets you look at live satellite photo...
by neave on Tuesday July 21, 2020 @02:23AM
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Yes, the night side uses a combination of infra-red imagery with a static image of the Earth at night. Without that image all the landmass and cities would disappear into black, so it helps give the IR imagery context. And it looks nice. It’s a common technique called GeoColor.
Re:Zoom Earth: Website lets you look at live satellite photo...
by basicplus2 on Monday July 20, 2020 @10:30PM
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This reminds me of a story..
A friend of mine was putting in a subdial and phoned up some gov department to find out the lat and long for his property.. after being put through about 5 different departments the last guy he got said "where do you want it?" And he repeated his address, the guy rhen said " no I mean where in your back garden? Go out side and stand where you are going to install it and i will give you the exact lat and long" yes this guy was watching him live! this was back when the first home phone detatchable handsets were out.. a long time ago. He never did find out who he ended up talking to..
Re:Zoom Earth: Website lets you look at live satellite photo...
by hnarn on Tuesday July 21, 2020 @04:00AM
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There's nothing live about the images you get when you zoom in, so at some point I guess "live" (within 24 hrs?) just goes out the window and is replaced with Google Maps or similar.
Re:Zoom Earth: Website lets you look at live satellite photo...
by maskedinvader on Monday July 20, 2020 @07:42PM
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I thought it was super cool. Love the other suggestions on other comments too. We should encourage such posts if not for anything but for allowing a tiny space for such discussions. Really hoping hackernews doesn't change its rules and member enforced etiquettes.
Re:Zoom Earth: Website lets you look at live satellite photo...
by soylentcola on Tuesday July 21, 2020 @10:48AM
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I'd imagine you could build something like this but it would get harder the smaller it is. Some sort of plastic sphere with rear projection from multiple projectors inside, warped to fit the globe (the more projectors, the more even focus would be around the full area of the globe). Project live sat imagery on inside of globe and view from outside.
I guess ideally it would use some fancy-pants spherical OLED to get around projection issues but I don't know if such a thing has ever been fabricated yet.
edit: just looked this up and apparently there have been spherical OLED displays and most search results are, indeed, demoed with globes.
Re:Zoom Earth: Website lets you look at live satellite photo...
by mnw21cam on Tuesday July 21, 2020 @05:14AM
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I'm sorry, but that "Let us use cookies or you can't use this web site" button is not legal. If you're trying to appease GDPR, then that is not enough. You need to be able to use the web site after refusing cookies.
Re:Zoom Earth: Website lets you look at live satellite photo...
by njsubedi on Monday July 20, 2020 @09:59PM
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Quite interesting! It felt good to see a satellite imagery without an overlay of labels, roads, and border lines that we are accustomed to. It's not really real-time if you zoom in, but it's good nevertheless.
Re:Zoom Earth: Website lets you look at live satellite photo...
by neave on Monday July 20, 2020 @08:25PM
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High resolution will be older imagery. You won’t be able to see your house in near real time unless you pay to task a satellite from a commercial provider like Planet Labs.
Re:Zoom Earth: Website lets you look at live satellite photo...
by geuis on Monday July 20, 2020 @07:10PM
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There’s a Planet Explorer, https://www.planet.com/explorer/. I worked on building it a few years ago. Unfortunately you have to have a Planet account and I believe those are paid only.
Re:Zoom Earth: Website lets you look at live satellite photo...
by WarOnPrivacy on Monday July 20, 2020 @07:11PM
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I have to disagree. That giant frame on the bottom looks to be unremovable. We lose that whole half the screen to "HEY LOOK AT THIS". With that is a sticky top that keeps dropping down to cover what little viewing room we have.
Maybe I'm missing something but this looks like one of the worst layouts I've ever seen.
It also tracks the latest storms and hurricanes https://zoom.earth/storms/
I use it frequently (via https://apps.sentinel-hub.com/sentinel-playground/) to help plan backcountry trips around here, as it's great for seeing the local snow conditions.
Anyway, it's a cool website, nice work!
It's more like a "live" view if you were to look at the entire Earth at once from the Apollo capsule...
Yeah, I'm not going to spend a lot of time checking this out, but it's still really neat for a few minutes.
Edit: User qeternity responded to your post as well, and I'll also echo their comment about how seeing this whole planet as something that's minutes old building a strong connection/appreciation is another great point.
Meteorologists love it though.
Do you have a WMS interface?
I'm sure, they are interested in more. They might pick their home first, as they are familiar with it and can compare the pictures you provide with their mental image. You have to gain their trust first.
It's interesting to see how winter is taking hold of the planet - but a little bit disappointing that I cannot compare snowy areas between different years.
Either way I think it’s cool, even if it lacks the Jason Bourne resolution.
Planet, Digitalglobe[2], Airbus[3] and others will give you similar or better without the ability to task collection.
[1] https://www.planet.com/50cm/
[2] https://www.digitalglobe.com/products/satellite-imagery
[3] https://www.intelligence-airbusds.com/en/8692-pleiades
I think a commercial satellite imaging company supplied the images for free.
But also... I'm super confused about the nighttime imagery.
Looking at daytime imagery from this afternoon over the US, everything looks legit -- it looks "real", shadows from clouds get longer as the sun gets lower in the sky, shadows on mountain ranges change, etc.
But as soon as it transitions to night, all realism goes out the window. Urban areas are absurdly bright, clouds are still blindingly white on top, the pattern of lights don't change even a tiny bit throughout the night... it's like it's no longer using photos but combining a static nighttime image with radar-detected clouds drawn on top. The gradient between daytime and nighttime also seems highly artificial.
Do other people agree that the nighttime imagery is totally simulated, not photographs at all? I'd just kind of like to see a version that showed real nighttime imagery, even if it was mostly super-dark (but they could HDR it which would be fine too).
It wouldn’t just be super-dark; it would be black. The GOES visible light sensors do not produce any useful data after dark. (See it yourself: https://www.star.nesdis.noaa.gov/GOES/fulldisk_band.php?sat=... ... this is the blue channel.)
The image that’s being used here (for the US imagery) is what CIRA calls GeoColor: true-color imagery during the day (with simulated green channel; the GOES-R satellites don’t have a green channel), and multispectral IR composited on top of a static city lights image at night.
Side note, you can receive GOES images straight from the satellite yourself with a $30 SDR, a $30 LNA, and an antenna made from scrap (or ~$100 if you're not handy).
[1] https://www.star.nesdis.noaa.gov/GOES/fulldisk.php?sat=G16
I've always been curious what a real day+night satellite image looks like. The simulated ones always show urban areas as absurdly bright.
Does anyone have links to satellite imagery that shows the actual full real transition from daytime to nighttime, at a constant camera exposure so without exaggeration?
Sure, just take an image and color the night part completely black. Street lighting is around 10 lux -- sunlight is 100,000 lux.
A friend of mine was putting in a subdial and phoned up some gov department to find out the lat and long for his property.. after being put through about 5 different departments the last guy he got said "where do you want it?" And he repeated his address, the guy rhen said " no I mean where in your back garden? Go out side and stand where you are going to install it and i will give you the exact lat and long" yes this guy was watching him live! this was back when the first home phone detatchable handsets were out.. a long time ago. He never did find out who he ended up talking to..
https://earthengine.google.com/timelapse
I guess ideally it would use some fancy-pants spherical OLED to get around projection issues but I don't know if such a thing has ever been fabricated yet.
edit: just looked this up and apparently there have been spherical OLED displays and most search results are, indeed, demoed with globes.
For example here: https://zoom.earth/storms/douglas-2020/#layers=labels
Sure enough, in the top-left it says the latest image is from November 2018.
https://registry.opendata.aws/spacenet/
It takes a long time to take satellite/aerial photos of everywhere on the planet in high resolution, so 2018 is quite good in the geospatial industry.
Hurricane season is one of the few things I like about this state - that and the 15 minutes of not-summer.
Picture for where I live (Warsaw, Poland) seems from more than a year ago.
Planet seems to take you to a landing page with interesting things to look at. Not that that's bad, but interested to hear what's better about it
Maybe I'm missing something but this looks like one of the worst layouts I've ever seen.