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Re:How the 2021 Ford F-150's onboard generator works by saiya-jin on Thursday July 02, 2020 @04:16AM (#23711061)
I hate SUVs with passion. Here in Europe, for long time we basically didn't have any (unless you really go to rough terrain, which 95% of SUVs here never do). Apart from football stars, eastern mafia guys and soccer moms.

It became kind of fashion thingie for those who don't understand cars, or basic physics. Soccer moms love them, since they often don't have good driving skills, it puts them higher so they have better overview of the road (while blocking any view of those behind). Pollution, higher maintenance costs, much higher danger of car rolling during accident (and break your neck) be damned.

Then there is category of these tiny 'SUV' (I think proper term is crossover), which are just bigger shopping carts, being a higher above ground. So from driving perspective, the worst combination - small, badly maneuverable car.

We still have big wagons for those who are numerous / carry around a lot of things. These I prefer - they drive well, trunk space is enormous. Compared to most SUV which look big on the outside, but not so much inside.

/rant

Re:How the 2021 Ford F-150's onboard generator works by globular-toast on Thursday July 02, 2020 @04:33AM (#23711162)
I dislike them too. You didn't mention that they also mostly diesel in Europe too. But I'm actually considering buying one (a petrol one).

For a start, SUVs don't go off road. They are road vehicles. We had off-roaders for a long time in the form of Land Rovers etc. We called them 4x4s and they weren't really comfortable to drive on the road.

I like the idea of having the right vehicle for the right purpose. If I had to travel to work by car (which I've done before and don't want to do again), I would like to drive a Mercedes "Smart" or VW Up, or similar. These are crap, consumable, plastic cars, but they do the job just fine. For the weekends? A sports car or hot hatch would be fun. For long trips and camping? An SUV would be great.

SUVs and the much higher number of HGVs now also tear up the roads, which isn't great for your sports car. You'll have a better chance in an SUV yourself. If you can't beat 'em, join 'em.

The problem is that, in the UK at least, it's really only possible to run one car for various reasons (even if you could afford the depreciation on multiple cars). So the SUV becomes the default. Also I just want a reliable car. I don't want it to be a project and constant worry that my investment is going to fall apart. That means Honda or Toyota. But if I have to choose between the regular hatchback or SUV, I might as well go SUV because it will be more fun. There's the Civic Type-R. I owned one, but I don't really want one of the newer ones (I don't need 300+ bhp in a hatchback).

Re:How the 2021 Ford F-150's onboard generator works by close04 on Thursday July 02, 2020 @08:19AM (#23712321)
I've seen plenty of people assuming SUVs are off-roaders just because they tend to have similar shape and proportions, or some form of 4/all wheel drive that's in no way comparable to true off-road vehicles. The second confusion is that every car that seems a bit "bulged" is called a SUV in Europe. Even small CUVs like the Volvo X40 or Mazda CX-3. The fact that they are also called "crossover SUV" or CSUV definitely doesn't help anyone.

Unfortunately most people can't afford the "right vehicle for right purpose" approach they they pick the compromise that will be sort of a jack of all trades and master of none but cover pretty much all the needs. This comes with some drawbacks (larger outside dimensions, larger fuel consumption, less maneuverable, etc.) and some advantages (larger inside dimensions, more likely to fare better in a crash due to the added weight and ride height).

Normally I'd say that if you have a specific driving need only 1% of the time, rent rather than try to tack the feature onto your car's requirements. There's no point in driving around with those drawbacks 99% of the time for that 1% when you drive with the advantage. But something like the safety advantage is there all the time, unless the manufacturer really screwed up someplace else.

The biggest problem and misunderstanding lies with the CUV/CSUV segment. They are somehow viewed as "SUVs" but actually have almost all the disadvantages of a SUV with almost none of the advantages. Compared to the equivalent hatchback they sport a slightly larger body that increases drag and fuel consumption, and decreases maneuverability, bigger wheels and raised axles that just eat up more interior space, and probably have little to no safety benefit because the added weight contributes almost nothing to this (a Mercedes GLA weighs ~100Kg more than a normal A-class hatchback).

Re:How the 2021 Ford F-150's onboard generator works by NDizzle on Thursday July 02, 2020 @04:22AM (#23711094)
So what do you use to bring your two softball playing girls to an 11 game weekend tournament? That you’re also coaching. And providing hydration for. And shade. And chairs, food, etc. Plus your wife and your 7 year old son. What do you use to take the same crew camping for 4-7 days at a time? I use the ever loving shit out of my vehicles. Keep that euro centric view of “not using big things” in Europe. Thanks!
Re:How the 2021 Ford F-150's onboard generator works by astura on Thursday July 02, 2020 @07:03AM (#23711941)
I mean... a car? You aren't giving some outlandish requirements, all that stuff/passengers could fit into my compact sedan. I might need to get a roof rack for a trip, but that is much less costly than the massive difference in cost between buying/maintaining/operating/insuring an SUV vs a car.

Growing up my family of five were able to comfortably fit all of us plus any luggage/gear in an early 80s subcompact hatchback.

Re:How the 2021 Ford F-150's onboard generator works by emptyfile on Thursday July 02, 2020 @04:45AM (#23711233)
Weekend tournament?

We used to pack up our 5 member family and suitcases for 3 weeks at the seaside into a 2. generation Voklswagen Golf https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Volkswagen_Golf_Mk2

Us and every other family. I suppose the average american uses a 18-wheel cargo truck to go to vacation.

Re:How the 2021 Ford F-150's onboard generator works by NDizzle on Thursday July 02, 2020 @04:56AM (#23711298)
“At the seaside” so I guess you just bought coaching equipment when you got there, along with about 100 cold bottles of water. Got it.
Re:How the 2021 Ford F-150's onboard generator works by jodrellblank on Thursday July 02, 2020 @05:06AM (#23711361)
Cars can have trailers, roof racks, and people can rent large cars for the short duration they need them. Breathless one-upmanship aside it’s not unreasonable to go to places with water, or for multiple people to bring water.
Re:How the 2021 Ford F-150's onboard generator works by NDizzle on Thursday July 02, 2020 @05:14AM (#23711388)
They literally won’t let us use water fountains right now. That’s for our own good. Wouldn’t want us getting the COVID!
Re:How the 2021 Ford F-150's onboard generator works by jodrellblank on Thursday July 02, 2020 @12:14PM (#23714844)
bit strange to arrange a tournament in a place with no taps and no shops, but ok;

“On average, a professional water delivery service will charge anywhere from $175 to $380 per truckload., and the average truck will hold 6,000 gallons.” - https://www.howmuchisit.org/pool-water-delivery-cost/

Could buy a lot of those for the price of an SUV, especially sharing the price between all the people.

Inb4 the tournament is held on a remote mountain top inaccessible to tankers and hatchbacks alike and only accessible to 4x4s so there’s literally no other choice.

Re:How the 2021 Ford F-150's onboard generator works by ric2b on Friday July 03, 2020 @06:31AM (#23722795)
100 bottles? Are you coaching in the middle of the desert for a week? That's 20 bottles per person...
Re:How the 2021 Ford F-150's onboard generator works by NDizzle on Friday July 03, 2020 @01:00PM (#23725577)
I coach a team of twelve.
Re:How the 2021 Ford F-150's onboard generator works by NDizzle on Thursday July 02, 2020 @05:11AM (#23711379)
Reading that again I think our definitions are different. If you can pack for 3 weeks in the mountains in a VW Golf I’m honestly impressed. I have a feeling you rely on stores and dining out. I’m talking about what is now called “off grid camping”, what used to just be called “camping”. Yes, when I was 14 I could go into the Ozarks after school on Friday with just my brothers and our packs on our backs and make it until Sunday evening. Now I’m old and have the aches and pains of age, so I need more gear.
Re:How the 2021 Ford F-150's onboard generator works by robin_reala on Thursday July 02, 2020 @06:06AM (#23711659)
We used to do three weeks “off-grid” camping with a Volvo, no problem (assuming a roofrack as well for the tent). Nowadays we could probably do it without the roofrack as tents are considerably lighter than they used to be.
Re:How the 2021 Ford F-150's onboard generator works by astura on Thursday July 02, 2020 @07:11AM (#23711974)
I've never done three weeks in the woods, but when my friends an I do one week "off grid" camping trips we are 4-5 adults plus food and gear per car (and none of my friends own anything larger than a midsize). We try to keep it 4 to a car for comfort, but we'd rather have a car of five than take an extra car.
Re:How the 2021 Ford F-150's onboard generator works by ric2b on Friday July 03, 2020 @06:29AM (#23722788)
2 adults, 3 children, some drinks, some food, some foldable chairs, a tent or two?

That easily fits in most cars unless we're talking about Smart's or sports cars.

Re:How the 2021 Ford F-150's onboard generator works by danmur on Thursday July 02, 2020 @04:31AM (#23711155)
I believe a station wagon was the suggested alternative. Love the attitude though :P.
Re:How the 2021 Ford F-150's onboard generator works by NDizzle on Thursday July 02, 2020 @04:43AM (#23711220)
Find me a station wagon that will take me on the rubicon. Until then I’ll keep my land cruiser.