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Re:A $35 keyboard for children transformed me into a novelist by benjohnson on Wednesday June 24, 2020 @10:59AM (#23628572)
The Japanese have modern devices like this - this one is about $250 and had a E-ink display and a folding keyboard. You can put the keyboard in English mode - a few keys are in odd places but bearable. It's increased my output by several orders of magnitude.

https://www.kingjim.co.jp/pomera/dm30/

Re:A $35 keyboard for children transformed me into a novelist by 5- on Wednesday June 24, 2020 @12:01PM (#23629545)
they've run an unsuccessful funding campaign to bring this device to western audiences: https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/2132003782/pomera-pocke...

quite unfortunate -- i think they needed a little more hype.

Re:A $35 keyboard for children transformed me into a novelist by kalium-xyz on Wednesday June 24, 2020 @12:11PM (#23629714)
Because of this it has english language support
Re:A $35 keyboard for children transformed me into a novelist by numpad0 on Wednesday June 24, 2020 @01:30PM (#23631063)
Most of Japanese input happens in IME software so English support is more or less matters of changing UI string resources and keytop re-labeling
Re:A $35 keyboard for children transformed me into a novelist by billfruit on Wednesday June 24, 2020 @12:04PM (#23629589)
FreeWrite traveller seems another option, it is listed here for 389 USD: https://getfreewrite.com/collections/all/products/freewrite-...
Re:A $35 keyboard for children transformed me into a novelist by falcrist on Wednesday June 24, 2020 @01:30PM (#23631058)
FYI - The article specifically mentions FreeWrite in the second to last paragraph.
Re:A $35 keyboard for children transformed me into a novelist by andrewzah on Wednesday June 24, 2020 @01:39PM (#23631195)
This seems rather expensive for what amounts to a keyboard + eink display.

It would be nice to have an e-ink display, but I can also buy a thinkpad x201/x220 for <$70/<$100 usd on ebay right now. It's not the smallest thing ever, but the x201 is pretty dang small for a "writing only" machine with a good keyboard. And I can still do basic web browsing or email if I really want to.

Re:A $35 keyboard for children transformed me into a novelist by tartoran on Wednesday June 24, 2020 @02:23PM (#23631836)
There's a bunch of cheap devices/older laptops that could fill this space the problem is that it's hard to install a stripped and locked down OS if one is not a computer whiz or no such OS exists.

I have a better idea for an OS that runs off a stick and only has text editor capabilities and nothing more. Once can reuse their own laptop for writing. Once they boot in the writing mode with the memory stick on there's nothing else to access. The only problem is that as of now no such OS exists.

I'd also love to boot off a stick and only have access to a repl of my favorite language, nothing more.

Anybody out there up for the challenge of creating such an OS?

Re:A $35 keyboard for children transformed me into a novelist by rendx on Wednesday June 24, 2020 @04:56PM (#23633775)
This does not address an important point made in the article:

"n this way, the AlphaSmart provides an almost Pavlovian space in which to write: Get the device out, and the brain immediately moves into writing mode. This is another reason why I’ve been resistant to software on my computer that’s supposed to compel creativity and productivity. Because I do such a wide variety of tasks on my computer, my brain isn’t primed by the space to focus on one particular job. In this way, my computer’s all-purpose abilities, which is the main selling point of most laptops, actually becomes a liability. But the absolute simplicity of the AlphaSmart means that when I bring it out, I subconsciously know exactly what it is I need to do: write."

Yes, you can buy a laptop that is as much different from the other laptop you use, but it will still be that, a laptop. Not a mere writing device. I instantly get how that makes a big psychological difference, even if the machine is crippled in a way that would make it "impossible" to do anything else with it.

So, it is exactly NOT about any form of possible reuse for other purposes.

Re:A $35 keyboard for children transformed me into a novelist by andrewzah on Wednesday June 24, 2020 @08:47PM (#23635572)
> So, it is exactly NOT about any form of possible reuse for other purposes.

In one sense, sure. In another sense, it's just marketing for people who are unable to control their impulses and have a lot of money to spend.

> but it will still be that, a laptop

A laptop that isn't connected to the internet is a writing device.

There are numerous word processors based around this concept as well.

Spending $$$ on niche products won't make you write any more than figuring out a space to write in + a routine will. But people can't sell that for $400.

You don't have to spend -anything- to have bouts of focus for writing. Zero. Nada. But it's easier to spend money than to figure out why ignoring notifications is so impossible.

Re:A $35 keyboard for children transformed me into a novelist by tartoran on Thursday June 25, 2020 @12:28AM (#23636911)
Could be achieved with a stripped down/custom os on existing device. At this point minting any more plastic is almost like a crime against nature
Re:A $35 keyboard for children transformed me into a novelist by sincarne on Thursday June 25, 2020 @02:24AM (#23637487)
It’s not exactly what you’re asking for, but my solution has been a decade-old eeePC 701 netbook with FreeDOS. The writing is done in pico. To get files off, I need to reboot with a USB key attached. It’d be a dream if wordgrinder was ported to FreeDOS.
Re:A $35 keyboard for children transformed me into a novelist by Something1234 on Wednesday June 24, 2020 @02:41PM (#23632111)
Someone could make a distribution based on tiny core and have it boot into bash, and only install vim. Then create a separate partition to mount as a usb drive to move your work over.
Re:A $35 keyboard for children transformed me into a novelist by asdfasgasdgasdg on Wednesday June 24, 2020 @04:05PM (#23633202)
You could also accomplish this by installing any random distribution, then remove the browser and network capabilities, then change the admin password to something hard to remember and either discard the password or store it someplace hard to reach.
Re:A $35 keyboard for children transformed me into a novelist by Something1234 on Wednesday June 24, 2020 @05:24PM (#23634038)
I was thinking something portable and immutable.
Re:A $35 keyboard for children transformed me into a novelist by nitrogen on Thursday June 25, 2020 @01:46AM (#23637289)
Like a custom LiveCD/USB?
Re:A $35 keyboard for children transformed me into a novelist by floatingatoll on Wednesday June 24, 2020 @03:53PM (#23633050)
I think one aspect of the benefit highlighted by this article and by these devices in general is that they are not capable of being multifunctional devices, so that their inability to serve other wants is a benefit to the product category — not a drawback. You aren't wrong to highlight that good multipurpose devices exist in this size and form factor, but there are still people for whom single-tasking is non-negotiable, especially writers.
Re:A $35 keyboard for children transformed me into a novelist by yencabulator on Wednesday June 24, 2020 @07:25PM (#23635011)
Sure, but paying $200-300 more for an inferior experience just because you lack impulse control might be wake-up call to spend time practicing it?
Re:A $35 keyboard for children transformed me into a novelist by aidenn0 on Wednesday June 24, 2020 @08:51PM (#23635607)
Have you considered that an adult contemplating buying such a device is aware they have an impulse control issue, has probably spent most of their life trying to rein it in, and still finds this product useful?

If you have the magical secret to impulse control, please share with the rest of us. Otherwise get off your high horse and shut up.

Re:A $35 keyboard for children transformed me into a novelist by andrewzah on Friday June 26, 2020 @12:00AM (#23648567)
> If you have the magical secret to impulse control, please share with the rest of us. Otherwise get off your high horse and shut up.

Parent comment never claimed to have this. Parent comment, and I, will retain the right to criticize overpriced products like this.

I would like proof that $$$ products like this are more effective at getting people to write than, say, creating a consistent routine, working out, dedicating a space/time just for writing, etc.

If we're just going to use anecdata, the most consistent advice I've seen from prolific authors is to "write something, even a little, every day, and read a lot". If you have lack of impulse control, then you need to sit down and reflect on why that might be the case. Maybe consult a medical professional if it's that dire. But those take work and introspection instead of just spending $$$ on a neat-looking product.

For the record, I -would- pay a lot of money for a laptop built like a thinkpad x201/x220, that had a good keyboard and an e-ink display! ...not for notifications, but I find e-ink displays significantly help me with eye strain.

Re:A $35 keyboard for children transformed me into a novelist by aidenn0 on Friday June 26, 2020 @12:30PM (#23653833)
> Parent comment never claimed to have this. Parent comment, and I, will retain the right to criticize overpriced products like this.

I have zero issues with people criticizing a product for being overpriced. GP however in addition criticized people, implying that if you buy this product you should instead start practicing impulse control.

That's a comment very dismissive towards people with impulse control. Maybe things are different now, but when I was a kid, having poor impulse control was something that one would be criticized and shamed for regularly. It's very condescending to just say "have you tried improving your impulse control" as if that's going to be some revelation.

As a similar issue, a friend of mine has an autistic kid. She gets annoyed any time a pop-science article appears with some new treatment/method/etc. appears for autism because for the next year lots of well meaning people she meets will mention it when they find out her son is autistic. She doesn't typically say it, but her desired response is along the lines of: "Yes, I've been raising an austistic son for 12 years and yet I haven't done enough research about it to stumble across something that was published widely in the mainstream media."

> I would like proof that $$$ products like this are more effective at getting people to write than, say, creating a consistent routine, working out, dedicating a space/time just for writing, etc.

It's not an either/or proposition. As you mention, having a dedicated space and time make a big difference, but I think a computing device helps define the space. I will sometimes watch a youtube video in one window while reading an article in another window, but that doesn't happen when I'm watching a movie on my TV. Would people be equally well served with an old laptop with broken WiFi and no games installed? Probably. That doesn't make this device useless though, and if you don't already have an old laptop with broken WiFi, then $250 isn't that expensive, and this is probably much easier on the eyes if you want to, say, write outside.

> If you have lack of impulse control, then you need to sit down and reflect on why that might be the case. Maybe consult a medical professional if it's that dire. But those take work and introspection instead of just spending $$$ on a neat-looking product

I agree with this entire sentence! If all your problems can be completely fixed by spending $300 on a word-processor then your problems probably weren't that serious to begin with. However, I do think it can help create a dedicated space and time just for writing.

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Just noticed that you wrote the GP comment to what I originally responded to:

> It would be nice to have an e-ink display, but I can also buy a thinkpad x201/x220 for <$70/<$100 usd on ebay right now. It's not the smallest thing ever, but the x201 is pretty dang small for a "writing only" machine with a good keyboard. And I can still do basic web browsing or email if I really want to.

This is totally a fair criticism of the product. I didn't feel a need to respond to it when I read it earlier, but since you got me hooked ;) I'll respond:

1. A new x201 display would be better in some conditions, worse in others than an e-ink display; I don't know how they age, but if you plan on primarily indoors work with not a lot of natural light, then we can call it a win for the x201; if you plan on working out side during the day it's a win for an e-ink display

2. "basic web browsing or email" is a downside for some people, but you could probably pull the wifi card (or cut traces if it's on the motherboard), or just buy one with broken wifi if needed, so inasmuch as an x201 could be modified to work this way, but a wordprocessor could not be modified to do web-browsing, that's a win for the x201.

3. For the freewrite traveler in specific, we don't know yet how good the keyboard is since it's not yet released. The x201 seems to have the traditional thinkpad keyboard that is arguably best-in-class for laptops. Some wordprocessors do use microswitch keyboards, but the freewrite does not.

4. All this reflection has made me think that an e-ink display running wordprocessing software with a USB port might be a great device; you can bring whatever keyboard you like and you can position the screen and keyboard independently. You would sacrifice some portability though.

Re:A $35 keyboard for children transformed me into a novelist by timClicks on Wednesday June 24, 2020 @08:08PM (#23635329)
You're missing the point tough, less functionality is not an "inferior experience" here. It avoids the need to fight the urge for a dopamine fix.
Re:A $35 keyboard for children transformed me into a novelist by andrewzah on Wednesday June 24, 2020 @08:38PM (#23635516)
Computers have the ability to disable their connections to the internet. Recent apple products have Do-Not-Disturb modes.

Maybe, one could do some introspection about why they are unable to put notifications on hold?

Nah. Better spend a lot of money instead, because that will fix the root issue, assuredly.

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W.r.t my original comment: For $70-$100 (at most!) I can take a laptop, disable the wifi, and open a word processor.

It is admittedly a splurge, as I already have a desktop pc and a perfectly capable macbook. However, that price point for a dedicated writing machine with a great keyboard was worth it to me. I did it for the keyboard, not the (lack of) notifications, but one could easily do it for that purpose.

Re:A $35 keyboard for children transformed me into a novelist by nitrogen on Thursday June 25, 2020 @01:50AM (#23637308)
Sometimes dedicated devices are a deliberate choice with desirable benefits. You don't use a pocket multitool to prepare a fine meal just because it has a blade. You just buy a knife that was made for that purpose.
Re:A $35 keyboard for children transformed me into a novelist by andrewzah on Friday June 26, 2020 @10:33AM (#23652388)
I think comparing a knife to a dedicated writing device is like comparing apples and oranges. We use different utensils because they innately have different properties that are useful in different aspects of cooking. It's not that a knife and spoon both have the same exact function, only the knife doesn't send me push notifications.

A laptop with a keyboard is not going to give you different writing properties than a screen + a keyboard. They both will write text just the same. One can turn off notifications/connection to the internet if desired, and now they're both quiet devices.

Re:A $35 keyboard for children transformed me into a novelist by ryanwaggoner on Friday June 26, 2020 @08:32PM (#23658517)
You come across as weirdly upset and condescending about this. Why do you care if someone else wants to waste their money on a shortcut to avoid introspection about their poor impulse control?

I bought one of these things within 2 minutes of reading the blog post we're commenting on. I don't really need to "reflect" on the reasons that I sometimes have poor impulse control. It's not like not knowing why I'm sometimes tempted means that I'm no longer tempted.

And part of impulse control is "tying yourself to the mast" to avoid temptation in the future. It'd be stupid to keep piles of tempting junk food within arms length at all times and then berate yourself for "poor impulse control".

Similarly, it'd be stupid to put tons of social media, notifications, and games just a click or two away from where you're trying to do something hard and meaningful, and then berate yourself (or others) for your lack of reflection on your poor impulse control.

Re:A $35 keyboard for children transformed me into a novelist by yencabulator on Thursday June 25, 2020 @03:58PM (#23644892)
No, but the keyboard & screen are.
Re:A $35 keyboard for children transformed me into a novelist by floatingatoll on Wednesday June 24, 2020 @09:50PM (#23636026)
That doesn’t work for everyone, even if it works for you.
Re:A $35 keyboard for children transformed me into a novelist by inyorgroove on Wednesday June 24, 2020 @11:32AM (#23629074)
There is also the Freewrite, its a little expensive but is targeted to English speakers: https://getfreewrite.com/
Re:A $35 keyboard for children transformed me into a novelist by Digory on Wednesday June 24, 2020 @12:37PM (#23630209)
Beautiful, but $400 is steep for a monotasker. I'd gladly let students use these in a class, though, as an alternative to notepads.

Which probably says something about the rise of keyboards and the fall of handwriting; I get that ASCII is more useful than paper, but $400 buys a lot of luxurious pens and paper.

Re:A $35 keyboard for children transformed me into a novelist by BolexNOLA on Wednesday June 24, 2020 @12:54PM (#23630543)
Produces a lot of lost pens and paper in waste bins though!
Re:A $35 keyboard for children transformed me into a novelist by splintercell on Wednesday June 24, 2020 @08:06PM (#23635323)
Check out the fountain pen thread from last week.
Re:A $35 keyboard for children transformed me into a novelist by carterschonwald on Thursday June 25, 2020 @06:12AM (#23638904)
Link please ? :)

Granted I’m a huge user of fountain pens and note books already :)

Re:A $35 keyboard for children transformed me into a novelist by splintercell on Friday June 26, 2020 @01:26AM (#23648962)
Re:A $35 keyboard for children transformed me into a novelist by double0jimb0 on Wednesday June 24, 2020 @12:06PM (#23629631)
The Cherry mechanical switches are big plus on the Freewrite. AlphaSmart uses membrane switches, a deal killer for some.
Re:A $35 keyboard for children transformed me into a novelist by DoingIsLearning on Thursday June 25, 2020 @07:42PM (#23647077)
Too each their own, you could argue the noise and downward force required on a cherry mechanical keyboard is a deal killer for some.
Re:A $35 keyboard for children transformed me into a novelist by AstroAdam on Wednesday June 24, 2020 @12:32PM (#23630108)
Freewrite supports at least 35 languages via configurable layouts in software: https://support.getfreewrite.com/article/27-freewrite-keyboa...
Re:A $35 keyboard for children transformed me into a novelist by boplicity on Wednesday June 24, 2020 @11:07AM (#23628688)
That is exactly the type of device I've dreamed about for years. Thank you for pointing it out. I wonder if there is a version targeted more for English language.
Re:A $35 keyboard for children transformed me into a novelist by nwienert on Wednesday June 24, 2020 @11:27AM (#23628998)
Also have wanted to find/build this since forever, though I’d like something simpler and sturdy.
Re:A $35 keyboard for children transformed me into a novelist by codpiece on Saturday June 27, 2020 @02:49PM (#23663778)
Thanks for making me aware of this, I just got the DM30 and it's excellent. I was looking at a Remarkable tablet, but this is far better for my needs as text files are central to my workflow.
Re:A $35 keyboard for children transformed me into a novelist by DenisM on Wednesday June 24, 2020 @01:24PM (#23630975)
Sadly, it seems to require a hard surface - no typing on your lap sitting on the beach.
Re:A $35 keyboard for children transformed me into a novelist by tartoran on Wednesday June 24, 2020 @02:24PM (#23631855)
What happens if one types away while not resting the device on a hard surface? Does it miss keys? Is it uncomfortable to hold it on ones lap ?
Re:A $35 keyboard for children transformed me into a novelist by benjohnson on Sunday June 28, 2020 @05:31PM (#23672232)
It's as floppy as you'd expect. They do make another device with a more laptop form factor - but as I understand it, it doesn't have as good English support. I could be wrong.
Re:A $35 keyboard for children transformed me into a novelist by codpiece on Monday June 29, 2020 @12:02PM (#23678813)
It's a bit floppy, but certainly doable. If you have a hard surface like a sketchpad, it's fine.
Re:A $35 keyboard for children transformed me into a novelist by DenisM on Wednesday June 24, 2020 @06:57PM (#23634816)
I don't have one, just searched the forums online and found this.
Re:A $35 keyboard for children transformed me into a novelist by microcolonel on Wednesday June 24, 2020 @11:22AM (#23628902)
Wow, ATOK is like $5 a month on its own, on PC. I'm impressed they went to that length to get a high quality input method into this device.

Wonder how much trouble it would be for them to integrate RIME, I'd buy that in an instant.

Re:A $35 keyboard for children transformed me into a novelist by kalium-xyz on Wednesday June 24, 2020 @12:10PM (#23629699)
Interestingly I just bought a second hand DM30 and am looking into how I can get it to run a code editor (or just accept different file types). If anyone has any idea on how to accomplish such a feat please share.
Re:A $35 keyboard for children transformed me into a novelist by numpad0 on Wednesday June 24, 2020 @01:17PM (#23630877)
If anyone’s planning to hack them, IIRC, DM30 is custom RTOS on ARM926EJ-S, DM200 is Linux on AllWinner(rooting available), anything else is obscure Toshiba CPU with very little RAM running unknown RTOS.
Re:A $35 keyboard for children transformed me into a novelist by DoingIsLearning on Thursday June 25, 2020 @07:53PM (#23647167)
This is why I love this forum!

Would you happen to know any details on the OS/processor of the old sony PRS-350 e-readers?

Re:A $35 keyboard for children transformed me into a novelist by numbers on Wednesday June 24, 2020 @01:10PM (#23630773)
Wow! This is perfect, for a long time I've been using a bluetooth keyboard with my iPhone for writing but every notification means distraction while trying to write :(
Re:A $35 keyboard for children transformed me into a novelist by haecceity on Wednesday June 24, 2020 @05:55PM (#23634313)
I love these constrained devices. It'd be nice if there's a way to get the cost down.
Re:A $35 keyboard for children transformed me into a novelist by kovek on Wednesday June 24, 2020 @11:49AM (#23629349)
How does that compare to a foldable keyboard + smartphone on airplane mode setup?
Re:A $35 keyboard for children transformed me into a novelist by clarkevans on Wednesday June 24, 2020 @12:04PM (#23629595)
I've used the DM100 for ~5 years now. It's an entirely different feel from a general-purpose device /w foldable keyboard. For starters, it's "always on" -- when you open the case, you're in the text editor and can start typing immediately. Second, it's a distraction free device: there's no wifi, no checking email, no browsing. Third, it's physically convenient, you can put it on your lap in a meeting or keep it on the table top (the display is not tall), taking notes without disrupting flow. Lastly, it uses easily replaced 9-volt batteries, which last a few weeks of occasional usage.

There are two quirks in the older model I have. First, when opening the cover, it always starts in Japanese, so you have to press a key to get it to English. Second, some of the characters are in different slots; e.g. the apostrophe is inconvenient. Third, the keyboard is a tad scrunched.

Re:A $35 keyboard for children transformed me into a novelist by rtkwe on Wednesday June 24, 2020 @02:00PM (#23631509)
Part of the point of having a separate device is the additional friction of switching to distractions like Twitter etc and creating a separate context where you're just doing one task like writing. Using a cellphone even on airplane mode breaks both of those because it's super easy to turn back on and doesn't define a separate context.
Re:A $35 keyboard for children transformed me into a novelist by kevin_thibedeau on Wednesday June 24, 2020 @11:30AM (#23629031)
For that price a NOS Brother Geobook would be competitive.
Re:A $35 keyboard for children transformed me into a novelist by biryani_chicken on Wednesday June 24, 2020 @12:57PM (#23630599)
Or just get a Bluetooth keyboard and connect it to you smartphone. But I guess the appeal is the reduced distractions in the screen. Is there an app that pauses any distractions (messages, calls, notifications, etc) so you can focus on the current foreground application?
Re:A $35 keyboard for children transformed me into a novelist by fidrelity on Wednesday June 24, 2020 @01:12PM (#23630809)
The latest Android version has a focus mode: https://www.blog.google/products/android/android-focus-mode/
Re:A $35 keyboard for children transformed me into a novelist by tartoran on Wednesday June 24, 2020 @02:25PM (#23631879)
Still to easy to get out of the focus mode. Procrastinators blindly go back to the distraction mode without knowing how/when they got there.
Re:A $35 keyboard for children transformed me into a novelist by spaceisballer on Wednesday June 24, 2020 @02:07PM (#23631610)
You don’t need an app iOS and Android have easy to access do not disturb modes you can schedule or manually enable.