I'm surprised with full 60fps 4k support. PS4 doesn't even have fixed 1080p 60fps support for all games... Really like the controller design, seeing it besides the new console, it looks even better. I found the console design a little strange and bold at first. But I kinda like it now.

For the games, looking forward to Spider-Man: Miles Morales, Ratchet & Clank: Rift Apart, Sackboy: a Big Adventure, Oddworld: Soulstorm, Ghostwire: Tokyo, Godfall, Demon Souls and Horizon: Forbidden West. But that cat game got me intrigued, lol.

If you only watch one new game trailer, let it be Annapurna Interactive's Stray. Like a lovechild of Wes Anderson and Spike Jonez, born into a world conceived by Ridley Scott:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u84hRUQlaio

Easy in the top 2 trailers I saw that stream (with the other one being the teaser with the astronaut and the little girl)

Support for 8K HDMI out tells me it's most likely rendering the games at 4K. There's no way that something with that hardware spec could render at 8K with any kind of usable frame rate. With $5500 and a credit card right now I could just barely build an x86-64 desktop capable of rendering games at 8K, poorly, at 20fps.

It'll be much the same way that an Xbox One S renders games at 1080p, but supports 2160p60 output, with a 1:4 upscaled output. The upscaler is not a difficult piece of silicon.

Since the PS3, Sony have often used the headline theoretical resolution support of the HDMI port for marketing. Not all that many games on PS3 ran natively at 1080p either...

This level of performance is only just starting to tackle 4K at 60FPS reasonably for most high end games I’d imagine, if comparable gaming PCs available today are any indication.

Yeah, the 8k out is purely for content consumption future proofing. I'm guessing the cost to include a compliant port/chip was cheap enough to be worth it. In 5 years, if all video streaming content is in 8k, they'll be able to support it. Perhaps there are some new Blu-rays that will support 8k content as well.

It's probably future proofing for VR. 8k@60Hz is the same bandwidth as two 4k panels as 120Hz, which is a reasonable target for the next generation of VR. You can't render a 3D environment at that resolution, but you can do a layered rendering where text is higher-res than the rest of the environment.

Are you maybe overstating that? 8k should be worst case 25% the speed of 4k, so a single 2080 Ti should get you there in eg the new Modern Warfare.

benchmarks I've seen for the 2080 ti and a really high end cpu + motherboard combo ($799 cpu + $399 motherboard), plus a ton of RAM, show FPS dropping to 21fps, 25fps, in a number of major games at 8k. Not what i'd call playable, even if the average fps might be 35-40fps.

But your post said $5500 to get to 20fps. I think that budget would get you to 60 pretty easily.

You shouldn't need anything high end except the GPU, for the rest of the components it would be like hitting 60fps in 1080p.

> But your post said $5500 to get to 20fps. I think that budget would get you to 60 pretty easily.

The 2080ti is the fastest gaming GPU on the market right now. Period. It does not matter what your budget is, you cannot buy a faster GPU that that. Even if you buy a $10,000 quadro, you won't more than 5% extra performance in a best case scenario over the 2080ti.

Er, have you ever heard of NVLink? Presumably a $5500 PC chasing 8k wouldn't just have a single graphics card...

RTX 2080 Ti SLI (NVLink) Battlefield 4 [8K 60FPS]: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GBqjy7bCoBE

Call of Duty: Modern Warfare (2019) - 8k 60FPS [RTX ON] 2x RTX 2080 Ti Max Settings: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qMVWRrOmSCQ

I thought this was one of the most engaging presentations I’ve seen in a while. I was in the edge of my seat and could feel my heart racing when they were about to reveal the PS5 console. I love the new industrial and futuristic design. It’ll blow the competition out of the water.

Reveal is at ~2:08:40 for those looking for it.

Oof. That's the design they're going with?

"Please don't post shallow dismissals, especially of other people's work. A good critical comment teaches us something."

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Okay, the device seems over-designed. Some designer went totally overboard and no one told him "no". It's just too much. It looks like some wacky art installation, but it's a device people are supposed to have in their living room, while not drawing too much attention to itself.

That's much better. It's quite interesting how people will often respond to a moderation comment with the thing that they meant to say in the first place. I call those comments rebounds.

(Although better, this one isn't good enough yet to be a good HN comment, because it's still a bit snarky. But you could easily fix that.)

Personally I'm a fan of the flowing lines which depart from the PS4's hard edges. I do hope the design doesn't cause any functionality issues; the PS4 would eject discs when it got hot due to (from my understanding) a rubber foot expanding and pressing against the control.

> fan

I bet it will be rather noisy - due to the electronics being cramped inside an apparently little space.

What's so bad about it?

It's just too much I think. MSFTs moves with the Xbox One X/S and the new editions are the right direction. Understated designs tend to age better, and they match better with other furniture etc (as much as that matters, it really doesn't).

This is all subjective ofc.

It’s too loud. Consider how other equipment you might place near your tv looks.

Indeed. The last thing I want to be marveling at is the damn box. (I’d rather it just blended with the rest of the equipment sitting inside the TV stand.)

When compared to modern "Gaming" PCs, PS5 is less RGB LEDs so less louder.

Yeah, but very few people would place such monstrosities in their living room.