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Re:Write Libraries, Not Frameworks by wetmore on Friday May 08, 2020 @09:49PM (#23121468)
The repeated joke about killing your ex-girlfriend did not age well.
Re:Write Libraries, Not Frameworks by overgard on Saturday May 09, 2020 @11:01AM (#23125211)
Pretty sure murder was taboo back then also. The only difference is people are much more eager to virtue signal these days by finding offence wherever they can..

Edit: to explain my position a bit, what I observe with people that are easily offended is that they can't seem to separate what the character is saying from what the overall piece is saying.

Just for example, think of The Office. Michael Scott says a lot of horribly sexist and homophobic stuff right? And we as the audience frequently laugh at it. But I don't think anyone in their right mind would say that The Office is sexist or that the audience that watches it is. Because we understand that the humor is that Michael Scott is saying something really inappropriate but he's also clueless and naive.

In this piece, the salesman character makes a dark joke. That is part of the character of the salesman, along with other aspects that are revealed. If you personally don't find it funny -- maybe you just don't like dark humor -- hey, I won't tell you you're wrong, humor is always subjective, but I don't see anything offensive about this. It's not advocating for violence it's simply adding a weird dark personality quirk to an already very weird character.

What I find with the easily offended crowd is all they look for is "bad thing involving a protected group in here? OFFENSIVE!" and completely ignore the actual context of everything else. It'd be like if you took a "that's what she said!" joke from The Office and completely ignored the context of Michael Scott's character.

Re:Write Libraries, Not Frameworks by ngngngng on Saturday May 09, 2020 @12:56AM (#23122420)
I hope, one day, that we look back on the "woke" over-analysis of the last few years and say "That didn't age well."
Re:Write Libraries, Not Frameworks by DougBTX on Saturday May 09, 2020 @10:46AM (#23125102)
It feels increasingly odd to work in exclusively male teams when there is no obvious biological reason why that would be. Possibly the casual “kill the ex-girlfriend” jokes contribute to that. I mean, some people really think like that, so it isn’t a purely innocent joke.
Re:Write Libraries, Not Frameworks by suzzer99 on Saturday May 09, 2020 @02:26PM (#23127179)
You mean like the Honeymooners where Ralph Kramden's running joke was that he was going to cold-cock his wife? Or do we not want to go back that far?
Re:Write Libraries, Not Frameworks by GuiA on Sunday May 10, 2020 @02:20AM (#23130678)
Dark humor is just not professional, and many people expect the content they interact with on HN to be professional in tone.
Re:Write Libraries, Not Frameworks by finnthehuman on Saturday May 09, 2020 @09:54AM (#23124692)
This too shall pass.
Re:Write Libraries, Not Frameworks by ngngngng on Saturday May 09, 2020 @11:39AM (#23125613)
I don't have as much faith as you. I believe being "woke" is one of many things filling a void left behind by religion as more and more people find that void needing to be filled. I can't see that changing anytime soon.
Re:Write Libraries, Not Frameworks by ianmcgowan on Friday May 08, 2020 @11:51PM (#23122143)
I think the same thing every time reading this otherwise-excellent post. I don't think we should attempt to erase history, but it is super jarring, at least for me. Was it ever actually funny?
Re:Write Libraries, Not Frameworks by mrweasel on Saturday May 09, 2020 @03:36AM (#23122955)
I still think it’s funny and I’m sure that many people still do, even if they won’t admit it.

You don’t have to be a bad person to have a dark sense of humor and you don’t have hate women to find the joke in the hammer factory story funny.

Re:Write Libraries, Not Frameworks by epr on Saturday May 09, 2020 @07:14AM (#23123762)
Just read this to my non-programmer girlfriend and she could barely stop laughing, especially at the ex-girlfriend jokes. I really feel sorry for all the people over-analyzing these things. Like, do you think the author ever killed his ex-girlfriend? Do you think he even knows anyone who killed their ex-girlfriend? It's a joke!
Re:Write Libraries, Not Frameworks by danielscrubs on Saturday May 09, 2020 @02:27AM (#23122739)
I think it depends on how absurd you think it is. But it is in line with the absurdity of a factory factory and adds to the setting of "why would a developer ever extend the tool to that?" that is at least a common thought for me.

But I recently saw "Dont Fck With Cats" on Netflix and if had been a joke about animals I'd also been jared (because in my mind it would no longer be absurd).

So I guess it depends on what media makes us fearful off right now.

Re:Write Libraries, Not Frameworks by stormdennis on Saturday May 09, 2020 @01:23AM (#23122525)
Is there somewhere you can check what is or isn't funny?
Re:Write Libraries, Not Frameworks by newsbinator on Saturday May 09, 2020 @07:23AM (#23123798)
There is, but the spec changes every 3 ~ 12 months, so you have to keep rechecking and going back to edit.
Re:Write Libraries, Not Frameworks by pfarrell on Saturday May 09, 2020 @03:09AM (#23122876)
Everybody nowadays is inplementing HumorSensorFactoryFactory to define their own rules for what’s inbounds.
Re:Write Libraries, Not Frameworks by ivalm on Saturday May 09, 2020 @04:29AM (#23123105)
No, real people use EmotionSensorFactoryFactoryFactory. Why limit yourself only to HumorSensorFactory objects?
Re:Write Libraries, Not Frameworks by ljm on Saturday May 09, 2020 @01:04PM (#23126395)
You really need the MaybeEmotionSensorFactoryFactoryFactory to avoid getting NullPointerExceptions when applying to psychopaths.

An AbstractEmotionSensorSensorFactory would be required to unwrap that.

Re:Write Libraries, Not Frameworks by goatlover on Sunday May 10, 2020 @02:25AM (#23130695)
Java really did a number on the respectability of OOP, but at least it's good for learning and laughs.
Re:Write Libraries, Not Frameworks by gherig4 on Friday May 08, 2020 @10:29PM (#23121695)
What's wrong with it?
Re:Write Libraries, Not Frameworks by umvi on Saturday May 09, 2020 @12:23AM (#23122302)
It's no longer vogue to joke about murdering women
Re:Write Libraries, Not Frameworks by mewpmewp2 on Saturday May 09, 2020 @02:00AM (#23122654)
Joking about murdering men on the other hand is cool, so we can just direct our humor sense a bit.
Re:Write Libraries, Not Frameworks by stormdennis on Saturday May 09, 2020 @01:25AM (#23122530)
It's practically suicidal.
Re:Write Libraries, Not Frameworks by avl999 on Saturday May 09, 2020 @09:39PM (#23129659)
The interesting thing is that Joel is actually gay so he probably specifically went out of his way to not offend the sensibilities of his readers and the culture at large at that time by using "girlfried" as opposed to "partner".

Moreover dark humor has its place. Indeed 2 of the biggest comedies of the last 20 years used exactly this kind of humor (Seinfeld and The Office). Even to this day some of the most acclaimed comedies have humor in this vein (Veep and Curb Your Enthusiasm for eg).

Re:Write Libraries, Not Frameworks by setzer22 on Saturday May 09, 2020 @02:28AM (#23122745)
I don't think that's ever been funny. What's that, standup comedy for psychos?

It's that kind of joke that at best will make you look like a moron and ruin the mood... It's especially sad since the post is otherwise interesting.

Re:Write Libraries, Not Frameworks by teddyh on Saturday May 09, 2020 @10:26AM (#23124937)
> What's that, standup comedy for psychos?

You’ve got it backwards. No “psycho” would consider it funny; they would just consider murder something normal one could conceivably do with a hammer. There is nothing funny about it, to them; it’s just normal.

The murder joke was only funny to those people who consider murder something utterly unthinkable. It is its very outlandishness which creates the humor.

If it is no longer considered funny today, it can mean a few things: Either more people now believe that there are more “psychos” than they thought previously, or an extraordinary number of people have turned into “psychos”. Or possibly both.

Re:Write Libraries, Not Frameworks by mperham on Saturday May 09, 2020 @11:50AM (#23125708)
There are lots of edgy, ironic white supremacists these days. Masking aggression with humor is an age-old tactic.
Re:Write Libraries, Not Frameworks by teddyh on Saturday May 09, 2020 @01:25PM (#23126589)
You can only mask outrageous things as humor if they are so utterly outrageous as to be virtually unthinkable. If they become only slightly plausible, they become no longer funny. Therefore, if jokes about murder are no longer funny, it’s because people no longer believe that murder is as likely to be unthinkable as it used to be.

This is why I think that masking outrageous things as humor is a losing strategy. Either it is funny, in which case the thing being masked with humor is so outrageous as to be completely niche, making the secret signal irrelevant, since so few people recieve it. Or, the thing is such a relatively common stance to make it no longer absolutely unthinkable, which makes it no longer funny, which removes the mask.

(Also, how do “white supremacists” fit into this? The original joke was about murdering an ex-girlfriend. This might possibly be generalized into misogyny, but I fail to see the connection to white supremacy. Please don’t fall into thinking that all people who hold opinions which you don’t like also hold all other opinions which you don’t like.)

Re:Write Libraries, Not Frameworks by oh_sigh on Friday May 08, 2020 @10:04PM (#23121551)
I doubt it landed well in the early 2000s either