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Re:It bid high and lost. Should Amazon be allowed a do-over ... by koheripbal on Thursday April 16, 2020 @09:25PM (#22895353)
Amazon has put a LOT of money into DC. From setting up an HQ2 in DC to Bezos personally purchasing the largest mansion in the city to host event for political power brokers.

It should be no surprise that he's pissed that that amount of investment isn't starting to pay dividends.

Re:It bid high and lost. Should Amazon be allowed a do-over ... by pnw_hazor on Thursday April 16, 2020 @10:11PM (#22895590)
IBM and Oracle also protested the bidding/RFP process. Their protests were dismissed twice so far. Once by the agency and again by a judge. Oracle has appealed the judge's dismissal of their protest.

In contrast, Amazon's protest resulted in an injunction because the judge determined it was likely Amazon would prevail in trial.

Re:It bid high and lost. Should Amazon be allowed a do-over ... by KarlKemp on Thursday April 16, 2020 @10:21PM (#22895637)
You are mixing up "DC the actual city" and "DC as a synonym for politics".

DoD couldn't care less about Bezos' mansion or HQ2's impact on the city's economy.

And running a newspaper that continuously annoys a President doesn't really fit the apparently popular idea that Bezos is spending money to get favourable treatment from politicians.

Especially when that politician you're annoying is known to have a somewhat vindictive streak and doesn't quite grok the difference between being entrusted money and power to use on behalf of a country and owning money and spending it in his own interest

Re:It bid high and lost. Should Amazon be allowed a do-over ... by GCSAQCMIYI on Thursday April 16, 2020 @11:02PM (#22895830)
>DoD couldn't care less about Bezos' mansion or HQ2's impact on the city's economy.

How do you know that?

Re:It bid high and lost. Should Amazon be allowed a do-over ... by GCSAQCMIYI on Thursday April 16, 2020 @10:49PM (#22895769)
>And running a newspaper that continuously annoys a President doesn't really fit the apparently popular idea that Bezos is spending money to get favourable treatment from politicians.

At least from outward appearances, most of the ruling class and permanent government isn't particularly fond of the current President.

Re:It bid high and lost. Should Amazon be allowed a do-over ... by r_luna on Friday April 17, 2020 @02:13AM (#22896677)
That's what our current President and his "deep state" wants you to believe. However, after three + years it's pretty obvious that our President has a firm grip on power. He still plays the victim every once in a while. But all the departments are quite clearly bowing and pleasing him as best they can.
Re:It bid high and lost. Should Amazon be allowed a do-over ... by jlj on Friday April 17, 2020 @10:38AM (#22899320)
> He still plays the victim every once in a while.

Try continuously. Every problem is someone else's fault, and every success is solely because of him.

Re:It bid high and lost. Should Amazon be allowed a do-over ... by Aeolun on Friday April 17, 2020 @02:40AM (#22896777)
Or giving that appearance while they wait it out?
Re:It bid high and lost. Should Amazon be allowed a do-over ... by smabie on Friday April 17, 2020 @04:10AM (#22897135)
Is there a difference?
Re:It bid high and lost. Should Amazon be allowed a do-over ... by SuoDuanDao on Friday April 17, 2020 @06:31AM (#22897776)
I don't know about that, he wasn't able to get the press to play nice on COVID the way it did during swine flu.
Re:It bid high and lost. Should Amazon be allowed a do-over ... by audiometry on Friday April 17, 2020 @12:15PM (#22900273)
This swine flu comparison is an ignorant canard. I will be glad when I can downvote chaff comments like this.
Re:It bid high and lost. Should Amazon be allowed a do-over ... by derstander on Friday April 17, 2020 @09:27AM (#22898782)
In the US the press is not part of the state.

Also the swine flu was much less of a problem for the US: the CDC reported less than 13,000 deaths in the US over a one year period vs stats today of over 34,000 for COVID-19 in just a few months — despite the extra precautions taken.

Re:It bid high and lost. Should Amazon be allowed a do-over ... by jazzyk on Friday April 17, 2020 @09:56AM (#22898993)
Slightly off-topic, but if you consider that 90% of "mainstream" media is owned by 6 huge corporations, which are interested in maintaining crony capitalism (of which the state is a central player) - then it would not be completely outlandish to think that the press is kinda part of state (conceptually speaking)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Concentration_of_media_ownersh...

Re:It bid high and lost. Should Amazon be allowed a do-over ... by cvlasdkv on Friday April 17, 2020 @03:26PM (#22902129)
it's the difference between explicit and invisible force. people in favour of capitalism (in all its forms) consider the invisible forces "the way the world works".
Re:It bid high and lost. Should Amazon be allowed a do-over ... by SuoDuanDao on Friday April 17, 2020 @12:49PM (#22900608)
Eh, fair point that the epidemics were different scales, when I first saw that comparison they were still fairly close in terms of impact to the States.

Still, it seems to me that the Trump administration originally clearly wanted to go for a 'herd immunity' strategy and changed it due to political rather than practical considerations. I'm quite sure that if it had the relationship with the fifth estate that, say, the Biden campaign enjoys, there would have been very little political fallout as a result. The press has managed the truth far more aggressively for other administrations.

Re:It bid high and lost. Should Amazon be allowed a do-over ... by GCSAQCMIYI on Thursday April 16, 2020 @09:34PM (#22895400)
Not to mention the newspaper.
Re:It bid high and lost. Should Amazon be allowed a do-over ... by smitty1e on Thursday April 16, 2020 @10:07PM (#22895574)
It's worth not mentioning.
Re:It bid high and lost. Should Amazon be allowed a do-over ... by GCSAQCMIYI on Thursday April 16, 2020 @10:46PM (#22895753)
Do you think he bought it because he really likes journalism?
Re:It bid high and lost. Should Amazon be allowed a do-over ... by chadcmulligan on Thursday April 16, 2020 @11:05PM (#22895846)
Here's an interview with him here about it [1]

It seems he had a mix of reasons, he says. No doubt now that it's a functioning entity he has an added bonus. I remember at the time though most people thought he was throwing good money after bad.

[1] https://www.forbes.com/sites/stephaniedenning/2018/09/19/why...

Re:It bid high and lost. Should Amazon be allowed a do-over ... by chadcmulligan on Friday April 17, 2020 @10:16PM (#22904806)
I wasn't defending Bezos - just putting forward the situation at the time. I feel the idea that this is some brilliant forward plan of domination isn't correct, sure it was a possibility but the element of risk was one that everyone else walked away from. Respect to him for that, having said that, I disagree with a lot of his business practices, but that seems to be the current business environment - he's just working within the rules. The rules need to change.
Re:It bid high and lost. Should Amazon be allowed a do-over ... by GCSAQCMIYI on Thursday April 16, 2020 @11:17PM (#22895899)
The reasons he gives for buying it don't tell us anything. His net worth is in the 12 figures. Everything he says publicly is crafted by a well paid and highly competent PR team.

If he bought it to gain political influence, which seems to me the only reason that makes any sense whatsoever, or for any other reason that would put him in a bad light, he would not in a million years come out and say that openly.

Re:It bid high and lost. Should Amazon be allowed a do-over ... by marcus_holmes on Friday April 17, 2020 @08:26AM (#22898378)
No idea why you're getting downvoted. This is the guy who refuses to pay his shareholders a dividend, or his employees more than he absolutely has to. He didn't buy a newspaper because he loves giving money away on good causes.
Re:It bid high and lost. Should Amazon be allowed a do-over ... by mrep on Friday April 17, 2020 @10:52AM (#22899449)
> This is the guy who refuses to pay his shareholders a dividend

Amazons share price has grown 136,000% in the past 23 years or 36.8% per year. That is far above S&P 500 returns and the exact case for when you want a company reinvesting in themself instead of paying out dividends.

Re:It bid high and lost. Should Amazon be allowed a do-over ... by smitty1e on Friday April 17, 2020 @09:32AM (#22898821)
No, failure to control the spigot equates to lack of influence over the output.
Re:It bid high and lost. Should Amazon be allowed a do-over ... by GCSAQCMIYI on Friday April 17, 2020 @09:58AM (#22899012)
Do you have some personal insight into the minds of WP employees? Do you have first-hand knowledge that the identity of the owner of the business has had no impact on any of their decisions, like who to hire or what to publish?

Leaders like Bezos don't have to write down a memo to make sure people carry out their will.

Re:It bid high and lost. Should Amazon be allowed a do-over ... by coffeefirst on Friday April 17, 2020 @10:10AM (#22899100)
Actually, I do.

You're wildly underestimating how rebellious newspaper editors are. If someone was messing with the reporting, everyone in DC would know, and you'd see remarkably detailed reporting on it throughout other parts of the press.

Re:It bid high and lost. Should Amazon be allowed a do-over ... by smitty1e on Friday April 17, 2020 @10:17AM (#22899146)
I would offer that the Project Veritas expose of CNN belies your assertion handily.

There is a mindset that dominates academia and carries on into the media.

It is reflected in the political donations of journalists.

And the distribution of the story bias.

It perhaps one should say "stunning lack of anything resembling a distribution".

Re:It bid high and lost. Should Amazon be allowed a do-over ... by pstuart on Friday April 17, 2020 @12:53PM (#22900659)
Of course academia is a "radical left" arena, as it's the domain of our youth and that is a natural expression of their view of the world.

All news has bias, but some are more biased than others, and that bias varies from personal and ingrained to organizational and intentional. It's important to be able to separate the wheat from the chaff, as it were.

Project Veritas is a right-wing, extremely partisan organization with a shady history. They are not an organization that I would trust.

Re:It bid high and lost. Should Amazon be allowed a do-over ... by smitty1e on Friday April 17, 2020 @04:13PM (#22902541)
Not to accuse James O'Keefe of sainthood, but I've an order of magnitude more regard for him and Veritas than any of the cable news networks.
Re:It bid high and lost. Should Amazon be allowed a do-over ... by pstuart on Saturday April 18, 2020 @05:31PM (#22911261)
We're in dangerous political territory, so I'll preface my question in the context of being genuinely curious and not judgmental (of you).

My awareness of him is from several "stunts" where he "went undercover" and interviewed his targets surreptitiously and then dishonestly edited the results to support his ideological narrative.

I associate cable news with general incompetence, corporate shilling and whatnot, but generally a "noisy" signal. PV, on the other hand, is driven purely by right-wing ideological goals.

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Re:It bid high and lost. Should Amazon be allowed a do-over ... by smitty1e on Friday April 17, 2020 @04:15PM (#22902546)
I'm unsurprised but the commitment to Orthodoxy here on HN.

I've experienced copious carpet bombings for deviations from the Received Truth, however mild and documented.

Re:It bid high and lost. Should Amazon be allowed a do-over ... by skrebbel on Friday April 17, 2020 @05:48AM (#22897592)
How is Bezos buying a big house an investment in the city? Come on.
Re:It bid high and lost. Should Amazon be allowed a do-over ... by sabujp on Friday April 17, 2020 @06:23AM (#22897734)
seriously? inviting politicians and lobbyists to parties on your own dime?
Re:It bid high and lost. Should Amazon be allowed a do-over ... by Ari_Ugwu on Friday April 17, 2020 @08:12AM (#22898312)
Seems it's less a 'party' and more a networking event where I'm sure your competitors are not invited. Also less 'your own dime' and more a business expense that helps Bezos skirt even more taxes. I can't see it as an investment in the city.

Maybe if he bought and renovated an apartment building. Held events in a top floor space. Transformed the lobby into a community business and tech center.

Re:It bid high and lost. Should Amazon be allowed a do-over ... by detaro on Friday April 17, 2020 @06:42PM (#22903666)
It's not investment "in DC" as in "into the betterment of the city", but as in "in the area of DC (to promote to the powers there)".