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Re:Video Gaming Will Take Over by Pfhreak on Tuesday January 14, 2020 @02:59PM (#22048641)
> FPS gaming with a keyboard and mouse isn't coming with you on your phone for the morning commute, and no amount of technology is going to change that because the main barrier is you won't want to play that game on your morning commute with a bunch of people around you, noise, and being unable to immerse yourself (even for reasons as simple as needing to remember to get off at your stop).

PUBG and Fortnite are both wildly popular mobile games. I see people playing them on the bus all the time.

Re:Video Gaming Will Take Over by hombre_fatal on Tuesday January 14, 2020 @03:27PM (#22048915)
I was going to say the same thing except with Call of Duty as my example.

Having never played an FPS on my phone, I had to download Call of Duty to see how it worked, being a heavy kb+m FPS player in my youth.

Played a dozen or so rounds in a couple weeks. It worked surprisingly well with plenty of skill gap between the players.

A couple years ago I also tried a MOBA on my phone wondering how that could possibly work on such a small tap-input device

Turns out mobile screen + tap input game UX is well-explored and polished territory.

Now all I want to see is Crusader Kings or Europa Universalis on a phone and I'll agree that nothing is impossible.

Re:Video Gaming Will Take Over by asudosandwich on Tuesday January 14, 2020 @09:52PM (#22051385)
Civilization 6 is available in the App Store for iPhone and iPad. However, on my 2017 10.5” iPad Pro I find it uncomfortable to play beyond a short stretch (15-20 minutes) because the UI obscures a good part of the map (even fully collapsed) and panning the board is not smooth because of the frame rate. My hand, wrist, and arm tire quickly from all the swiping and panning too.
Re:Video Gaming Will Take Over by MayeulC on Wednesday January 15, 2020 @03:14AM (#22052513)
I tried unciv[1], which is an open source 2D clone of civilization V. What I thought was going to be a 10 minutes playtest ended up taking most of my afternoon, it was surprisingly compelling.

[1] https://github.com/yairm210/UnCiv

Re:Video Gaming Will Take Over by diegoperini on Tuesday January 14, 2020 @08:17PM (#22050917)
If Witcher 3 is possible on mobile (see Nintendo Switch), then everything else is also. :)
Re:Video Gaming Will Take Over by fsloth on Wednesday January 15, 2020 @12:52AM (#22052042)
Most phones lack Switch controls. The silicon or the screen was not in doubt but the input method (touchscreen).
Re:Video Gaming Will Take Over by diegoperini on Wednesday January 15, 2020 @03:33AM (#22052597)
That is true. I believe (and hope) someday we will have phone cases that also act like controllers.
Re:Video Gaming Will Take Over by random_kris on Wednesday January 15, 2020 @04:14AM (#22052809)
there is. check out razer's website. Im not sure how the product is called
Re:Video Gaming Will Take Over by dobleboble on Wednesday January 15, 2020 @10:37AM (#22055127)
Re:Video Gaming Will Take Over by ThatPlayer on Wednesday January 15, 2020 @06:16AM (#22053302)
There's a Razer Junglecat, but it is super limited in phone support (just like 5 popular ones). At CES, they did announce a new Razer Kishi, a wired controller that snaps on a bit like a car phone stand does.
Re:Video Gaming Will Take Over by adrianN on Wednesday January 15, 2020 @03:42AM (#22052637)
Huh, that sounds fairly simple to do. I wonder why there are none.
Re:Video Gaming Will Take Over by diegoperini on Wednesday January 15, 2020 @04:00AM (#22052730)
Where is a kickstarter when you need one? :)
Re:Video Gaming Will Take Over by zyx321 on Wednesday January 15, 2020 @06:29AM (#22053354)
Hardware Kickstarters, what could possible go wrong?
Re:Video Gaming Will Take Over by sb057 on Tuesday January 14, 2020 @09:22PM (#22051253)
Paradox announced EU4 was coming to iOS and Android in 2013 but it seems nothing ever came of it:

https://www.digitalspy.com/videogames/a456278/europa-univers...

Somewhat bizarrely, a Nintendo DS port of EU2 was also in development at some point!:

https://imgur.com/a/O3Fu4

Re:Video Gaming Will Take Over by Macha on Wednesday January 15, 2020 @05:09AM (#22053061)
There were ports of all sorts of unexpected games to the DS like Zoo Tycoon and SimCity 3000
Re:Video Gaming Will Take Over by usrusr on Tuesday January 14, 2020 @09:32PM (#22051304)
Something CK2-like ("sim RPG"?) had already been my hypothetical mobile game concept long before I even discovered (and immediately fell for) CK2: Macromanaging a player character that is basically just another NPC existing in a few layers of abstracted off-screen simulation, a slightly interactive story generator. Highly hypothetical of course, no way I'd ever make it a reality.

For example a pirate game would have a detailed social sim of the crew, an "FTL level" sim of the ship in combat, a "Sid M. Pirates" level sim of ship to ship combat (that is all NPC off-screen when the player character isn't in command of a ship) and a sim of baroque-era Caribbean economy. A low level sailor would just manage relationships and balance focus between categories like following orders, initiative, camaraderie, bravado and risk avoidance (each influencing how he fares in the off-screen social and "FTL combat" simulations), peppered with the occasional decision set-piece, whereas a pirate-king might decide on resource allocation and strategic city upgrades (but still not micro-manage anything but relations). The tactical level would be a much more interactive (if the PC happens to be in command) series of decisions, but still do exclusively fast-forward-to-pause timing. ("free form turns", imho mobile games should be as passive as a book whenever you put down the phone)

The pattern could be applied to anything that has a somewhat limited set of characters for the social layer (the CK2 courtier population might still be a bit heavy for mobile...) and involves separable tactical and strategic layers. The original idea came from the question of how one could do a WW2 air combat sim on mobile that is deeper than Sid M. Ace Patrol but unlike IL-2 still without a dexterity factor. The player would balance focus between e.g. spotting, engine operation and navigation when on mission but not in combat and during engagement between aiming, evading, energy conservation, situational awareness and so on (plus a series of decision points that might be seconds or minutes apart depending on situation). The social layer might involve storytelling decisions like choosing to "accidentally" miss an emergency scramble after a night of heavy stress relief or flying under the influence.

With a bottomless fantasy budget, this kind of game would come with full 3D modeling for illustrating every sim layer, but only ever show a single frame at each interaction, representing the state of the simulation (which is actually closer to board-game abstraction than to 3D physics) in a semi-randomized way. Reasoning: animations quickly get old no matter how good they are and single frames can be doused in nice-looking postprocessing that would cause unsightly artifacts if animated. An endless pool of informative flavor illustrations, not the usual showing-off of GPU power and production effort.

Re:Video Gaming Will Take Over by flukus on Tuesday January 14, 2020 @10:49PM (#22051623)
> Something CK2-like ("sim RPG"?) had already been my hypothetical mobile game concept long before I even discovered (and immediately fell for) CK2: Macromanaging a player character that is basically just another NPC existing in a few layers of abstracted off-screen simulation, a slightly interactive story generator. Highly hypothetical of course, no way I'd ever make it a reality.

You might be interested in Stellar Monarch (https://store.steampowered.com/app/446000/Stellar_Monarch/). I haven't played it (no linux version) so can't recommend it but it seems much more focused on role playing as emperor sitting in your throne room. I think a successful mobile CK2 would look more like this and less like the desktop map staring one.

Re:Video Gaming Will Take Over by leksak on Wednesday January 15, 2020 @01:13AM (#22052102)
This reminds me of an idea, has there ever been any multi-tiered games such that,

1. Each tier is its own game, 2. The games are not independent

As a simple, two-game, example. Imagine a strategy game such as Shogun (turn-based strategy). When the players kn that game start conflicts that opens up a match for FPS-type players to join. The outcome of the battle will depend on the FPS-player performance while the match-up is skewed depending on the relative forces deployed by the generals.

Maybe cities are maintained by more Minecraft-esque players, while the eye in the sky can submit tasks down below for resources, certain buildings, etcetera.

Re:Video Gaming Will Take Over by usrusr on Wednesday January 15, 2020 @04:28AM (#22052871)
I doubt that "each tier is it's own game" could ever really work: what about the different time scales? It's bad enough already in the Total War series where the strategy and battle compete more than complement.

What would be in it for the player extras on the tactical level? It's hard enough for level design and matchmaking to compose a match of random internet players when there are no further constraints, forcing the parameters of one players strategy session on top of that problem can only make it worse.

"RPG sim" would aim for the opposite, creating a uniform UX with consistent interaction pacing (even if on wildly different timescales) for all the off-screen sim layers.

Re:Video Gaming Will Take Over by friendlybus on Wednesday January 15, 2020 @06:03AM (#22053259)
There was a multiplayer RTS called arkaron or something that featured time travelling. The gameplay was built around building up your forces to fight at a particular point in time. As you built up you sent units back in time to battle opposing forces in waves with a limited amount of energy. The game ran on a constantly ticking timeline that implemented changes in the timeline (spawned units) at the end of each timeline section. The original idea was to be more expansive with the implementation but it had to be cut down.
Re:Video Gaming Will Take Over by indigochill on Wednesday January 15, 2020 @02:38AM (#22052380)
Well, there are games like Nuclear Dawn or Natural Selection 2 which feature both an FPS and an RTS in the same game, with one player acting as the commander plopping down research/buff/harvest buildings and issuing orders, and everyone else playing the (often disobedient) units.
Re:Video Gaming Will Take Over by bdsa on Wednesday January 15, 2020 @07:13AM (#22053554)
There was Dust 514, which was directly connected to EVE Online: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dust_514
Re:Video Gaming Will Take Over by dTal on Wednesday January 15, 2020 @08:37AM (#22053982)
Yes! Rowans Battle of Britain had both a flight simulator, and a high level strategic overview. It was possible to play the game entirely strategically, changing the outcome of the Battle of Britain through effective resource management (like making Germany win by focusing on airfields instead of city bombing), but for every combat encounter you could also jump into a cockpit and get your hands dirty. Truly a tour de force of atmospheric gaming.
Re:Video Gaming Will Take Over by hannofcart on Wednesday January 15, 2020 @02:44AM (#22052407)
Mount and Blade series. (I've played 'Fire and Sword' but you can try the others as well).
Re:Video Gaming Will Take Over by ryacko on Wednesday January 15, 2020 @02:45AM (#22052410)
Genghis Khan II: Clan of the Gray Wolf was a turn-based game that was tactical and strategic.
Re:Video Gaming Will Take Over by airstrike on Wednesday January 15, 2020 @01:47PM (#22057101)
Squadron 42 + Star Citizen
Re:Video Gaming Will Take Over by AlexandrB on Wednesday January 15, 2020 @07:39AM (#22053680)
> PUBG and Fortnite are both wildly popular mobile games. I see people playing them on the bus all the time.

Incidentally, neither of these are an FPS. Both using (or favouring, in the case of PUBG) third person, over-the-shoulder play.

However video game “genres” are kind of a mess. FPS is too broad of a label to be useful. Both CoD and Portal are “FPS” but feature wildly different pace, tone, and requirements on the player. Another example: there’s a type of “FPS” that is almost extinct because it’s only really playable on PC: the arena shooter or twitch shooter (e.g. Unreal Tournament, Quake 3). These are simply not playable on console/mobile because the speed and precision of inputs required to play them is beyond the inputs available.

All of this is to say that the type of “FPS” you might get on mobile won’t represent the full range of FPS experiences you can get on PC or console.

Re:Video Gaming Will Take Over by vijaybritto on Wednesday January 15, 2020 @08:35AM (#22053972)
There is FPS in PUBG. It can be toggled between first and third party on demand. The public has welcomed it in a massive way. This sort of accessible gaming which adapts big titles to smaller form factors will win!
Re:Video Gaming Will Take Over by bgeeek on Wednesday January 15, 2020 @08:38AM (#22053990)
I don't know. I think people associate FPS with the shooty part and the kill,kill,kill mentality, which, while you do this in Portal, it's not the same. It's more of a puzzler/platformer.
Re:Video Gaming Will Take Over by save_ferris on Tuesday January 14, 2020 @11:32PM (#22051779)
This is true, but serious players and streamers play keyboard+mouse/controller. I don’t know of any famous streamers seriously playing on mobile.

The options to play may be increasing, but there’s no way mobile will kill the keyboard players.

Re:Video Gaming Will Take Over by numlock86 on Wednesday January 15, 2020 @01:43AM (#22052186)
> I don’t know of any famous streamers seriously playing on mobile.

The second largest streamer in Germany (I think top 20 world wide or something) regularly streams the mobile game "Clash of Clans". I've seen streams with 20k viewers and more streaming things like "Black Desert Mobile" and "Call of Duty Mobile", too.

Re:Video Gaming Will Take Over by save_ferris on Wednesday January 15, 2020 @09:52AM (#22054610)
I meant for fortnite specifically. I can totally see streamers playing mobile-first games, but streamers of the battle royale genre seem to favor PC/console.
Re:Video Gaming Will Take Over by mhh__ on Tuesday January 14, 2020 @10:09PM (#22051462)
PUBG mobile is (or was? haven't played in a while) a work of art - especially compared to it's PC older brother. Runs at a solid FPS, amazing gunplay for a mobile game while still capturing the essence of the PC game. Slightly embarrassing for PUBG PC to be frank.

But... both technically and culturally it's not the same as a PC shooter. Similar to comparing HALO with a game like Counter Strike I guess - one summer I was bored and shot 2500-3000ish heads (Aim Botz) in one sitting but I can't imagine "practicing" PUBG mobile in a similar way.

Re:Video Gaming Will Take Over by MattRix on Tuesday January 14, 2020 @10:16PM (#22051493)
How is this not the same? I'm not seeing why you can't compare Halo with Counter-Strike. In Fortnite there actually are even mobile (iPad) players that put thousands of hours into the game and are better than 99% of PC players.
Re:Video Gaming Will Take Over by leetbulb on Tuesday January 14, 2020 @10:36PM (#22051565)
PC players that put thousands of hours in to a game are better than 99.9% of PC players.
Re:Video Gaming Will Take Over by baby on Wednesday January 15, 2020 @04:43AM (#22052934)
Having been a pro counter strike player back then, I can tell you that the difference in skill between pros playing with keyboard/mouse and other controllers is incomparable.
Re:Video Gaming Will Take Over by FooHentai on Tuesday January 14, 2020 @03:01PM (#22048664)
And I've seen a fair number of peeps playing minecraft on ipad too, so you have a point.

They are separate, partitioned instances of the games though, tailored for the format.

Re:Video Gaming Will Take Over by jamesgeck0 on Tuesday January 14, 2020 @03:19PM (#22048847)
They are not. Fortnite and Minecraft have cross-play with consoles and PC.
Re:Video Gaming Will Take Over by danbolt on Tuesday January 14, 2020 @05:45PM (#22050025)
They do have cross-play, but as far as I know it's opt-in when playing with friends. Matchmaking will usually group you with others playing in a similar way.
Re:Video Gaming Will Take Over by mrspeaker on Tuesday January 14, 2020 @06:26PM (#22050284)
Fortnite is now "Skilled-based match making, with forced cross-play". Doesn't matter what platform you are on, you are matched by your relative skill level. High-level 6-finger-claw iPad players (and some of them are really incredible!) will be in lobbies with medium-level console and PC players.
Re:Video Gaming Will Take Over by panopticon on Tuesday January 14, 2020 @07:13PM (#22050585)
I'm curious: is the "skill" per device? Or does being decent on the PC spell death for any chances when I switch to my phone?
Re:Video Gaming Will Take Over by numlock86 on Wednesday January 15, 2020 @01:46AM (#22052191)
> Fortnite and Minecraft have cross-play with consoles and PC.

Who plays the Bedrock Edition on PC, though?

Re:Video Gaming Will Take Over by tomtheelder on Tuesday January 14, 2020 @03:27PM (#22048914)
I think this is at least partly a generational thing. Kids and teenagers seem to be much more willing than my peers to play demanding games on mobile, and to play them in public.

It sort of makes sense, since anyone my age or older didn't _really_ have access to serious mobile games growing up.

Re:Video Gaming Will Take Over by Polylactic_acid on Tuesday January 14, 2020 @08:58PM (#22051119)
I grew up while android/ipads were starting to take off and spent a lot of my childhood playing fruit ninja and minecraft pocket edition. Now I'm >20 and I don't have a single game on my phone. I'm not sure what changed but I just don't have any desire to play light/casual games anymore. On the bus I am happy to just sit there with noise canceling headphones and think. Then when I get home I'll spend an hour on a VR game.
Re:Video Gaming Will Take Over by Pfhreak on Tuesday January 14, 2020 @03:48PM (#22049091)
Hey! My gameboy was a screen with 2 bits of color depth! What's not serious about that? :D
Re:Video Gaming Will Take Over by usrusr on Tuesday January 14, 2020 @09:38PM (#22051325)
Good point actually, but that almost (?) two decades wide gap between mainstream gameboy mobile playing and the iPhone was quite an opportunity to drop the habit. Well, there was Nokia snake.
Re:Video Gaming Will Take Over by jbc1 on Tuesday January 14, 2020 @08:02PM (#22050853)
I was in Singapore recently and regularly saw adults smashing away at games while on the train.
Re:Video Gaming Will Take Over by crooked-v on Tuesday January 14, 2020 @03:24PM (#22048883)
It's a separate adaptation of the game engine, but your account, purchased items, friends list, etc all carries across, so the only thing that doesn't transfer is an ongoing game.
Re:Video Gaming Will Take Over by allovernow on Tuesday January 14, 2020 @03:48PM (#22049088)
As an aside, I played pubg from early days, and as buggy as the PC version was, I was shocked when out of curiosity I tried pubg on a pixel 2 and it actually ran smoothly.