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Re:Wi-Fi Alliance Brings Wi-Fi 6 into 6 GHz by reaperducer on Sunday January 05, 2020 @10:16PM (#21966131)
This is why we should let Apple name everything.

  Wifi Mesquite
  Wifi Mistletoe
  Wifi Kangaroo Rat
  Wifi Roadrunner
  Wifi Rattlesnake
  Wifi Great Horned Owl
That way it's easy to keep track because we just follow the food chain. And with Apple in charge, it will be instinctive to know that Mac OS X Leopard is incompatible with Wifi Minnesota Big Game Hunter Dentist.
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Re:Wi-Fi Alliance Brings Wi-Fi 6 into 6 GHz by jaredklewis on Monday January 06, 2020 @12:27AM (#21966716)
But mac os versions all have numbers that go along with them in addition to the name. It's the same system used by the Linux Kernel (i.e. 5.2 / Bobtail Squid), Ubuntu (18.04 / Bionic Beaver), and many other pieces of software. Most of the time the numbers are more useful, but there are occasions where having a non-numeric designation is helpful.

Apple's real naming sin is that they don't enumerate all of their hardware as they do with the iPhone.

But as long as we are talking about silly naming, this is always my favorite criticism: http://www.secretgeek.net/ex_ms

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Re:Wi-Fi Alliance Brings Wi-Fi 6 into 6 GHz by madeofpalk on Monday January 06, 2020 @07:15AM (#21968546)
Eh, for their Macs Apple follows just a more verbose version of Ubuntu's scheme by versioning with dates. MacBook Pro (16-inch, 2019)
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Re:Wi-Fi Alliance Brings Wi-Fi 6 into 6 GHz by zeusk on Monday January 06, 2020 @08:32AM (#21968960)
That’s not true, if you ever open about this Mac - you’ll see the real name and model code like “MacBook 10,9 A1358”
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Re:Wi-Fi Alliance Brings Wi-Fi 6 into 6 GHz by reaperducer on Monday January 06, 2020 @09:16AM (#21969244)
That’s not true

It is absolutely true. And it is both.

On the machine I'm using right now, opening About This Mac shows "iMac (21.5-inch, Late 2013)."

The identifier you're talking about can only then be reached by clicking System Report... and looking under Model Identifier, where it is listed as "iMac14,1."

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Re:Wi-Fi Alliance Brings Wi-Fi 6 into 6 GHz by OGWhales on Monday January 06, 2020 @08:47AM (#21969059)
That link is hilarious!
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Re:Wi-Fi Alliance Brings Wi-Fi 6 into 6 GHz by walrus01 on Monday January 06, 2020 @01:37AM (#21967052)
I think they should turn it over to the people at the Debian project who name every release for a toy story character. Old list I've pasted here, buster is now a stable release.

1.1 Buzz 1996-06-17 Buzz Lightyear

1.2 Rex 1996-12-12 Rex (the T-Rex)

1.3 Bo 1997-06-05 Bo Peep

2.0 Hamm 1998-07-24 Hamm (the pig)

2.1 Slink 1999-03-09 Slinky Dog

2.2 Potato 2000-08-15 Mr Potato Head

3.0 Woody 2002-07-19 Woody the cowboy

3.1 Sarge 2005-06-06 Sarge from the Bucket O’ Soldiers

4.0 Etch 2007-04-08 Etch, the Etch-A-Sketch

5.0 Lenny 2009-02-14 Lenny, the binoculars

6.0 Squeeze 2011-02-06 Squeeze toy aliens

7 Wheezy 2013-05-04 Wheezy the penguin

8 Jessie 2015-04-26 Jessie the cowgirl

9 Stretch 2017-06-17 Rubber octopus from Toy Story 3

10 Buster not yet released Andy’s pet dog

11 Bullseye Not yet released Woody’s horse

Sid "unstable" The next door neighbour

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Re:Wi-Fi Alliance Brings Wi-Fi 6 into 6 GHz by iso1210 on Monday January 06, 2020 @05:14AM (#21968012)
> Sid "unstable" The next door neighbour

Still In Development

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Re:Wi-Fi Alliance Brings Wi-Fi 6 into 6 GHz by dspillett on Monday January 06, 2020 @09:23AM (#21969294)
It is possible for something to intentionally have a double meaning.

Given the overall naming convention I'd actually hazzard a guess that Sid the ToyStory character was the initial reason for the name and Still In Development is a backronym.

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Re:Wi-Fi Alliance Brings Wi-Fi 6 into 6 GHz by iso1210 on Monday January 06, 2020 @05:59PM (#21974461)
I think it was a backronym, but it was referred to when I first used Debian in 2000 so it's hardly new
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Re:Wi-Fi Alliance Brings Wi-Fi 6 into 6 GHz by samueloph on Monday January 06, 2020 @05:50AM (#21968151)
Sid, aka the kid who broke toys
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Re:Wi-Fi Alliance Brings Wi-Fi 6 into 6 GHz by jlgaddis on Monday January 06, 2020 @03:28AM (#21967539)
... and, someday, "bookworm"!
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Re:Wi-Fi Alliance Brings Wi-Fi 6 into 6 GHz by robinoh on Monday January 06, 2020 @05:45AM (#21968129)
Forky?! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Forky
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Re:Wi-Fi Alliance Brings Wi-Fi 6 into 6 GHz by jlgaddis on Monday January 06, 2020 @01:27PM (#21971590)
https://wiki.debian.org/DebianBookworm
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Re:Wi-Fi Alliance Brings Wi-Fi 6 into 6 GHz by pilsetnieks on Monday January 06, 2020 @10:34AM (#21969847)
Buster was released in July 2019
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Re:Wi-Fi Alliance Brings Wi-Fi 6 into 6 GHz by lostlogin on Monday January 06, 2020 @01:46AM (#21967086)
They haven’t all been great though. How one says ‘X’ in the Apple ecosystem has always been trouble, and they seem to repeatedly fall into that trap. There is also the weird pleuralisation issues they have (iPhones 7? iPhone 7s? How do you pleuralise the iPhone 7S?). Some of the releases shared a name too, like Mountain Lion and High Sierra (which were great so are forgiven).
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Re:Wi-Fi Alliance Brings Wi-Fi 6 into 6 GHz by htfu on Monday January 06, 2020 @10:02AM (#21969593)
Huh? Always ten, 7Ss (seven esses... ese), and just like S those mean minor releases based on a previous major, just with software not hardware.
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Re:Wi-Fi Alliance Brings Wi-Fi 6 into 6 GHz by lostlogin on Monday January 06, 2020 @12:36PM (#21971081)
If you ask people what various Apple things are called you won’t get the X pronounced as 10. Xcode comes to mind too.
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Re:Wi-Fi Alliance Brings Wi-Fi 6 into 6 GHz by scrumbledober on Monday January 06, 2020 @02:15PM (#21972112)
as a developer for only the last 4ish years I never even put together that the X in Xcode had anything to do with the X in OSX
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Re:Wi-Fi Alliance Brings Wi-Fi 6 into 6 GHz by georgyo on Sunday January 05, 2020 @10:22PM (#21966155)
Or!

WiFi

WiFi 2

WiFi 3

New WiFi

WiFi

WiFi

WiFi

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Re:Wi-Fi Alliance Brings Wi-Fi 6 into 6 GHz by reaperducer on Sunday January 05, 2020 @10:31PM (#21966197) 

  Wifi
  Wifi 3G
  Wifi 3GS
  Wifi 4
  Wifi 4S
  Wifi 5
  Wifi 5C
  Wifi 5S
  Wifi 5SE
Smells like Apple is a member of the Wifi Alliance.
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Re:Wi-Fi Alliance Brings Wi-Fi 6 into 6 GHz by w-ll on Sunday January 05, 2020 @11:26PM (#21966439)
The Wi-Fi

2 Wi 2 Fi

The Wi-Fi: Tokyo Drift

WiFi

WiFive

Wifi 6

Fi 7

The Fate of the Fi

WiFi Presents: Facebook & Google

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Re:Wi-Fi Alliance Brings Wi-Fi 6 into 6 GHz by parsimo2010 on Monday January 06, 2020 @12:49AM (#21966823)
But don’t forget that the WiFi Tokyo Drift version actually fits in between two later versions and it’s up to you to figure out where by carefully examining which characters are present in the documentation of each version.
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Re:Wi-Fi Alliance Brings Wi-Fi 6 into 6 GHz by pilsetnieks on Monday January 06, 2020 @10:37AM (#21969882)
That's what 802.11a was about.
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Re:Wi-Fi Alliance Brings Wi-Fi 6 into 6 GHz by tW4r on Monday January 06, 2020 @09:47AM (#21969465)
Wi-Fi

Wi-Fi 2

Wi-Fi 3

Wi-Fi 4: Modern Internet

Wi-Fi: World Connected

Wi-Fi: Modern Internet 2

Wi-Fi: Dev Ops

Wi-Fi: Modern Internet 3

Wi-Fi: Dev Ops II

Wi-Fi: Packet-loss

Wi-Fi: Advanced Internet

Wi-Fi: Dev Ops III

Wi-Fi: Infinite Internet

Wi-Fi: WAN

Wi-Fi: Dev Ops 4

Wi-Fi: Modern Internet

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Re:Wi-Fi Alliance Brings Wi-Fi 6 into 6 GHz by numlock86 on Monday January 06, 2020 @01:42AM (#21967069)
You forgot some, though.

WiFi 6: Second Edition

WiFi Classic Edition

2 Wi 2 Fi: 2 (who knows, maybe they even make this a full trilogy)

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Re:Wi-Fi Alliance Brings Wi-Fi 6 into 6 GHz by dkersten on Monday January 06, 2020 @06:55AM (#21968457)
Some Microsoft-style edgelord naming:

WiFi

WiFi 360

WiFi One

WiFi One X

WiFi Series X

WiFi X Is The Most Futuristic Letter Known To Man

WiFi XXX

WiFi Look at all those X’s

Or maybe:

WiFi

WiFi XP

WiFi XP Ultimate

WiFi Extreme X

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Re:Wi-Fi Alliance Brings Wi-Fi 6 into 6 GHz by sidpatil on Monday January 06, 2020 @06:23AM (#21968284)
WiFi 2: Electric Boogaloo
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Re:Wi-Fi Alliance Brings Wi-Fi 6 into 6 GHz by periya on Sunday January 05, 2020 @11:40PM (#21966497)
I laughed way too hard at this.
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Re:Wi-Fi Alliance Brings Wi-Fi 6 into 6 GHz by ameixaseca on Sunday January 05, 2020 @11:51PM (#21966528)
I laughed way too furiously at this.
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Re:Wi-Fi Alliance Brings Wi-Fi 6 into 6 GHz by gibolt on Monday January 06, 2020 @12:43AM (#21966796)
Joke was a bit too fast for my taste :D
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Re:Wi-Fi Alliance Brings Wi-Fi 6 into 6 GHz by kennyadam on Monday January 06, 2020 @06:12AM (#21968240)
Please leave the low-effort puns at reddit, they already trashed the comments section over there, don't bring it here.
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Re:Wi-Fi Alliance Brings Wi-Fi 6 into 6 GHz by Polylactic_acid on Sunday January 05, 2020 @11:32PM (#21966477)
Naming can be hard when a new product is not a direct replacement/upgrade of the previous one but more of a fork which might include a premium/cheap version.
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Re:Wi-Fi Alliance Brings Wi-Fi 6 into 6 GHz by siffland on Monday January 06, 2020 @12:05PM (#21970765)
Firefox should join in and we should go straight to

Wifi 48

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Re:Wi-Fi Alliance Brings Wi-Fi 6 into 6 GHz by throw03172019 on Sunday January 05, 2020 @11:24PM (#21966431)
WiFi Pro
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Re:Wi-Fi Alliance Brings Wi-Fi 6 into 6 GHz by catalogia on Monday January 06, 2020 @12:20AM (#21966673)
Sticking to incrementing integer major revision may not be as much fun, it makes ordering much easier. Case in point, a roadrunner hunting a rattlesnake: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YwLspcdm0Bs

I own some Apple hardware but I couldn't tell you the order of OSX/MacOS releases off the top of my head. It's something only brand enthusiasts memorize, while every school child learns the ordering of integers.

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Re:Wi-Fi Alliance Brings Wi-Fi 6 into 6 GHz by wongarsu on Monday January 06, 2020 @12:29AM (#21966728)
To be fair, the IEEE standards are very easy to order, the letters sort the same way excel columns do: a-z, followed by aa-az, then ba-bz, etc. Sure, they skip most of the letters and I'm not sure if the ordering is entirely intentional, but so far it works.
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Re:Wi-Fi Alliance Brings Wi-Fi 6 into 6 GHz by cesarb on Monday January 06, 2020 @06:03AM (#21968198)
> Sure, they skip most of the letters

Actually, they skip just a couple of letters, the ones which can easily be confused with other letters. See https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/802.11#Standards_and_amendme... for a full list. And yes, the letters are alocated in order.

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Re:Wi-Fi Alliance Brings Wi-Fi 6 into 6 GHz by WorldMaker on Monday January 06, 2020 @03:57PM (#21973221)
It's just that they also use letters for clarifications, incremental updates, and in a couple cases tangential committee work, so 802.11 skips so many letters not because they weren't documents but because they were documents that didn't spawn a "new standard" outright. Some of the "in between" letters are used for interesting things, and/or are useful stepping stones in seeing the evolution of the standards that made it to "consumer adoption".

(Hence why it was maybe smart of the Wi-Fi Alliance to disambiguate IEEE procedure from marketing names for consumers, but also why they don't seem to be having much more luck with it than say the marketing names of cellular networks, because standards don't evolve "linearly".)

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Re:Wi-Fi Alliance Brings Wi-Fi 6 into 6 GHz by MR4D on Monday January 06, 2020 @10:47AM (#21969971)
The problem is then you get to this:

  WiFi Terminator Model 101
And all hell breaks loose because of the circular dependencies. Yes, they could skip it and just go with

  Wifi John Connor
But that won’t satisfy anyone.

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Great post, btw !

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Re:Wi-Fi Alliance Brings Wi-Fi 6 into 6 GHz by JustSomeNobody on Monday January 06, 2020 @10:51AM (#21970008)
WiFi 6

Wifi 6 Pro

Wifi 6 Pro Max

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Re:Wi-Fi Alliance Brings Wi-Fi 6 into 6 GHz by dwaite on Monday January 06, 2020 @01:00AM (#21966867)
I miss Wifi Snow Roadrunner
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