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Re:Google Brass Set 2023 as Deadline to Beat Amazon, Microso... by crazygringo on Tuesday December 17, 2019 @01:08PM (#21816536)
You're confusing Google customer support for their free consumer products (nonexistent) with support for paid services.

Cloud has extensive support, on par with AWS and Azure.

Google isn't a monolithic entity. It doesn't have a single "culture" of being anti-support. Rather, support policies are tied to individual product areas.

I agree, support may be lacking for the Pixel, certainly nothing anywhere near Apple's excellent support. But again, zero to do with Cloud.

It's literally as silly as saying you won't use AWS because Amazon won't give you a refund on a shirt you ordered.

Re:Google Brass Set 2023 as Deadline to Beat Amazon, Microso... by unreal37 on Tuesday December 17, 2019 @02:20PM (#21817558)
Oh yeah? I remember a story about GCP shutting down an entire large enterprise customers GCP account and turning off all their services over some minor billing thing.

No notice. No warning. No email or call. Just bam - your infrastructure is offline.

[1] https://medium.com/@serverpunch/why-you-should-not-use-googl...

Now maybe they've gotten better. But this was only a year ago. You have to at least acknowledge that they are quite frequently not at all on par with organizations known for customer service in this time such as Microsoft.

Re:Google Brass Set 2023 as Deadline to Beat Amazon, Microso... by thesuperbigfrog on Tuesday December 17, 2019 @01:46PM (#21817073)
Part of Google's problem is that Amazon will give you a refund on a shirt you ordered and then have customer support walk you through setting up AWS services to run your website.

Amazon is obsessively focused on keeping customers happy and will bend over backward to do so. Google does not have a similar reputation or history.

Re:Google Brass Set 2023 as Deadline to Beat Amazon, Microso... by mark-r on Tuesday December 17, 2019 @02:28PM (#21817647)
Google is quite the opposite, they only do things that scale. Making customers happy isn't something that scales, so they avoid it actively.
Re:Google Brass Set 2023 as Deadline to Beat Amazon, Microso... by toast0 on Tuesday December 17, 2019 @02:35PM (#21817737)
A business without happy customers doesn't scale either; I guess that's why they're planning to shut down their cloud business in 2023.

Edit to add: if the customers have a choice. Telecoms do just fine because there's not really an option that will make you happy.

Re:Google Brass Set 2023 as Deadline to Beat Amazon, Microso... by thesuperbigfrog on Tuesday December 17, 2019 @02:49PM (#21817915)
>> Making customers happy isn't something that scales

Amazon is able to scale 'making customers happy' fairly well.

It is all about the company's priorities and the direction that the leaders steer the company. Perverse incentives reap perverse rewards.

Re:Google Brass Set 2023 as Deadline to Beat Amazon, Microso... by mark-r on Tuesday December 17, 2019 @02:55PM (#21817997)
Sorry, I left out a key part of my argument. Google scales by automating everything they can, keeping people out of the way. Making customers happy isn't something you can automate, it requires the human touch.
Re:Google Brass Set 2023 as Deadline to Beat Amazon, Microso... by mullingitover on Tuesday December 17, 2019 @01:18PM (#21816695)
If your company has a widespread perception to have some of the worst support in the industry you have a problem, even if that perception isn't entirely accurate in all cases.
Re:Google Brass Set 2023 as Deadline to Beat Amazon, Microso... by rurp on Tuesday December 17, 2019 @07:19PM (#21820541)
Any inaccurate perceptions users have are Google's fault anyway. They name every product "Google {{service_name}}" and do nothing to differentiate which services have real support and which ones only let you yell into the void.

The whole point of branding is that people expect similar levels of quality for products under the same brand. Google wants the positive effects of using it's name on everything, but leaves it totally up to the end user to figure out which services will deign to let you speak to a real live human when you run into trouble.

Re:Google Brass Set 2023 as Deadline to Beat Amazon, Microso... by downerending on Tuesday December 17, 2019 @01:52PM (#21817163)
That rationale simply doesn't cut it.

Amazon won't cancel my AWS service because they don't like the shirt I ordered.

Having personally lost a Google account, the risk of using them for something business critical seems epic.

Re:Google Brass Set 2023 as Deadline to Beat Amazon, Microso... by skinkestek on Tuesday December 17, 2019 @01:52PM (#21817157)
We get good support. But recently I think I have heard about big/huge potential customers of us tell us that they are scared of moving because Google suddenly starts ghosting them.
Re:Google Brass Set 2023 as Deadline to Beat Amazon, Microso... by fooster on Tuesday December 17, 2019 @02:10PM (#21817413)
Their support is garbage. Their only answer to getting better support is to get a TAM. Which is completely ridiculous. Plus their SLA isn't worth the paper it is written on. They deny any SLA compensation unless your application is FT over 3 or more AZs.

Garbage.

Re:Google Brass Set 2023 as Deadline to Beat Amazon, Microso... by btilly on Tuesday December 17, 2019 @02:51PM (#21817942)
They deny any SLA compensation unless your application is FT over 3 or more AZs.

For what it's worth, the 3 AZs requirement is their internal policy as well, and they intentionally run exercises where they randomly shut down important looking data centers to verify that failover is working correctly.

If you haven't set up your application to continue working if the plug is pulled on the data center, there is a non-zero chance that it will be shut down due to intentional action.

To be fair, there is also a non-zero chance that it will be shut down due to other people's actions. My two favorite examples are, "Gypsies stole the cables to the data center so that they could sell the metal in it" and "Hunters used the shiny supports for the cables for target practice." These happened in Eastern Europe and Oregon respectively.

On the flip side, their tools make it really easy to have your software run extremely robustly. Even if Gypsies or hunters attempt to ruin your day.

Re:Google Brass Set 2023 as Deadline to Beat Amazon, Microso... by mehdix on Tuesday December 17, 2019 @02:52PM (#21817952)
I'm not an Apple dev, but you just reminded me of Apple's excellent support. I got a problem on my development account and immediately received a phone call from a human helping me solving the issue.