News for hackers. Stuff that matters.
Re:Tuv sees black for Tesla: Cybertruck would not get approv... by yreg on Saturday December 14, 2019 @06:19AM (#21788933)
There is no way this vehicle will get approved in Europe. I don't think the design is even salvageable. The folded stainless steel unibody goes fundamentally against our expectation of both passenger and pedestrian safety.

Since virtually no one drives gigantic american-style pickups in EU, it makes no sense for Tesla to develop a separate alternative EU-regulation-compatible version based on totally different manufacturing design.

I think it's pretty dishonest that Tesla asks for deposits for Cybertruck over here, since I believe they don't plan to ever sell them to us.

And I'm saying that as a person who likes Tesla, Inc. very much.

Re:Tuv sees black for Tesla: Cybertruck would not get approv... by nimbius on Saturday December 14, 2019 @06:52AM (#21789062)
I know this is a little pedantic but this article reads like a trainwreck to start with.

>According to a TUV expert

for anyone reading this outside Germany, thats a Technical Inspection Association. pretty vague as to what it does in the 21st century pertaining to vehicles specifically though...https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Technischer_%C3%9Cberwachungsv...

>because the inmates were not safe.

the nearly unilaterally agreed upon english definition for an inmate is not the same as passenger.

>sees black

in english, seeing black is a finance colloquialism at best. at worst, its a pejorative for racist tendencies. im guessing its a different sentiment in Germany entirely.

>Nothing is deformed in the event of an impact, instead enormous forces act on the occupants," says Teller in the "Automobilwoche". "Airbags will no longer help."

This is wildly speculative conjecture based on a single marketing event. No technical authority would ever dream of basing their evaluation on it...unless you wanted to get your name in the press alongside a hot new vehicle.

The concept we're trying to get at here is called a crumple zone. Tesla S, tesla 3, and virtually every other mass produced vehicle on the planet have them as part of a standard safety requirement. There is no reason to propose teslas new truck would not include them.

The article also completely ignores the long standing tradition of safety approval for bullet-proof vehicles. Mercedes G500 and BMW 7 series fitted with rigid armour plating and bulletproof glass are all approved for use in the EU and US. As for unibody vs body on frame construction, youre wrong. body on frame vehicles cannot BY DESIGN have crumple zones to protect pedestrians, and often score lower on crash tests as a result. https://autoreviewhub.com/unibody-vs-body-on-frame/

Re:Tuv sees black for Tesla: Cybertruck would not get approv... by pasabagi on Saturday December 14, 2019 @07:04AM (#21789096)
>in english, seeing black is a finance colloquialism at best. at worst, its a pejorative for racist tendencies. im guessing its a different sentiment in Germany entirely.

Are you a native speaker? I've never heard 'seeing black' said in a racial sense. It is however colloquially used (in the UK at least).

I think it's also an idiom in German (my wife, a German, uses it often). Also not in a racist sense - also simply meaning, to 'see nothing good about' something.

Re:Tuv sees black for Tesla: Cybertruck would not get approv... by ksaj on Saturday December 14, 2019 @12:59PM (#21790919)
Indeed. I thought "seeing black" simply means "profiting," especially after a period of being "in the red."

Eg: a company might "hope to see black by then end of Q3."

So the headline baffled me.

Re:Tuv sees black for Tesla: Cybertruck would not get approv... by eska on Saturday December 14, 2019 @10:24AM (#21789896)
"To see black" comes from "schwarz sehen". I'd translate it as "stare into the abyss/void", basically there is no hope, no future.
Re:Tuv sees black for Tesla: Cybertruck would not get approv... by manicdee on Sunday December 15, 2019 @06:54PM (#21799813)
English alternatives for “seeing black” in this context would be “has a dim view of Cybertrucks future” or “sees no future for Cybertruck”

Also the English term for this type of reporting is “clickbait”.

Re:Tuv sees black for Tesla: Cybertruck would not get approv... by mercora on Saturday December 14, 2019 @07:31AM (#21789190)
"inmates" is also likely chosen while sloppily translating from German were "inmate" or "Insasse" can be used for occupant interchangeably in this context.
Re:Tuv sees black for Tesla: Cybertruck would not get approv... by em-bee on Saturday December 14, 2019 @10:25AM (#21789911)
same goes for "seeing black", a common idiom in german, which effectively expresses the idea that your sight goes dark, ie, you see nothing, there is a dark future ahead.
Re:Tuv sees black for Tesla: Cybertruck would not get approv... by geolgau on Saturday December 14, 2019 @06:31AM (#21788985)
> Since virtually no one drives gigantic american-style pickups in EU

Come to Romania. You'd be surprised.

Re:Tuv sees black for Tesla: Cybertruck would not get approv... by poloniculmov on Monday December 16, 2019 @05:33AM (#21802127)
We do have lots of SUVs, but they're not really that big. It's not like you can see F250s everywhere.
Re:Tuv sees black for Tesla: Cybertruck would not get approv... by quaquaqua1 on Saturday December 14, 2019 @06:45AM (#21789034)
Based Romanians speaking up about trucks and also being EU
Re:Tuv sees black for Tesla: Cybertruck would not get approv... by sunstone on Saturday December 14, 2019 @06:58AM (#21789079)
I wonder if the Hummer was ever sold in Europe? It would seem to have many of the same issues as the CyberTruck.
Re:Tuv sees black for Tesla: Cybertruck would not get approv... by masklinn on Saturday December 14, 2019 @07:06AM (#21789103)
The Hummer was sold in Europe. As a light truck requiring a C1 license, which aside from being different than the B license of a regular car has to be renewed every 5 years (until 60, then 2 years until 76 then 1 year) with a medical exam on each renewal.
Re:Tuv sees black for Tesla: Cybertruck would not get approv... by sschueller on Saturday December 14, 2019 @08:04AM (#21789305)
The hummer is not as big (h1 is 4.69 m long, the cybertruck is 5.88 m) and that was before all these new regulations for pedestrian safety have been put in place.
Re:Tuv sees black for Tesla: Cybertruck would not get approv... by Roritharr on Saturday December 14, 2019 @06:40AM (#21789013)
Thanks to the EU Laws this is not really true. You can buy and drive a street legal two-seater Go-Karts since 2002...

There's a lot of loopholes they can use to get this approved, if they should need them.

Re:Tuv sees black for Tesla: Cybertruck would not get approv... by chrisseaton on Saturday December 14, 2019 @06:43AM (#21789023)
> Since virtually no one drives gigantic american-style pickups in EU

Farmers and other people who work in land industries use them all over the world. Have you been out of a city much? What do you think they use instead? The brands just tend to be Japanese outside the US.

Re:Tuv sees black for Tesla: Cybertruck would not get approv... by IshKebab on Saturday December 14, 2019 @10:13AM (#21789835)
Most people are not farmers. Even then, have you seen the size of American F-150 style trucks in person? They are absolutely enormous. Even farmers do not drive cars that big, at least in the UK.
Re:Tuv sees black for Tesla: Cybertruck would not get approv... by tzs on Saturday December 14, 2019 @12:50PM (#21790841)
I think that by "gigantic american-style pickups" he meant full-size pickups. From what I've read, most pickups in Europe are mid-size.
Re:Tuv sees black for Tesla: Cybertruck would not get approv... by yreg on Saturday December 14, 2019 @06:21PM (#21793094)
That's what I meant. I have spent a lot of time in the countryside and have visited most of the countries in the EU, but I see a truck like F-150 only once in a few years.