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Re:Tesla Cybertruck by me_me_me on Friday November 22, 2019 @05:46AM (#21604467)
SUVs are the minivans of rich suburban soccer mums.

I really hate that trend as most of time people driving it have no idea what they are doing + have no need for that capacity.

Re:Tesla Cybertruck by raxxorrax on Friday November 22, 2019 @06:20AM (#21604615)
They are often called housewife tanks in Germany.
Re:Tesla Cybertruck by dividedbyzero on Friday November 22, 2019 @08:09AM (#21605202)
"Hausfrauenpanzer", pronounced somewhat like "House-Frown-Pun-Tser". In case anyone was wondering.
Re:Tesla Cybertruck by zentiggr on Friday November 22, 2019 @08:22AM (#21605297)
As a bit of a WW2 historian/wargamer, that is the most hilarious thing I've heard in a long time... thank you from my particular context :)
Re:Tesla Cybertruck by louisswiss on Friday November 22, 2019 @08:37AM (#21605404)
Interesting. I’ve never heard that before, but I have heard them called Einkaufspanzer (shopping tanks) several times. The implication being it’s the tank you use to do your grocery shopping in.
Re:Tesla Cybertruck by me_me_me on Friday November 22, 2019 @08:44AM (#21605453)
That's brilliant.
Re:Tesla Cybertruck by goodmachine on Friday November 22, 2019 @08:29AM (#21605344)
Brilliant.
Re:Tesla Cybertruck by splatcollision on Friday November 22, 2019 @08:59AM (#21605566)
Hilarious - my family and I joke and call the inevitable massive chevy suburbans "Mom Tanks"
Re:Tesla Cybertruck by wlll on Friday November 22, 2019 @07:11AM (#21604849)
Chelsea tractors
Re:Tesla Cybertruck by celticninja on Friday November 22, 2019 @05:51AM (#21604486)
but now we're putting people in the position where if you're not driving SUV and you're in a collision with an SUV you come off worse. so your option to remain safe is to buy an SUV so that if you hit/get hit another SUV or you hit/gethit another vehicle you end up in a better position
Re:Tesla Cybertruck by prepend on Friday November 22, 2019 @06:21AM (#21604616)
I don’t think that’s true and it’s possible to design small cars to fare well. I had an old Saab 9-3 that was t-boned by a Chevy Avalanche at about 40 mph.

Both vehicles were totaled. My passengers had some lacerations from shattered glass. The avalanche people were taken away in an ambulance. I was fine.

Small cars can be designed quite robustly to withstand these huge trucks hitting them. Not all though.

I think the current tesla sedans do quite well with large vehicle impact testing.

Re:Tesla Cybertruck by jeromegv on Friday November 22, 2019 @08:04AM (#21605169)
It’s not so much about the design than the impression. Lots of people don’t like driving and would rather a bigger car because they feel unsafe next to those other giant cars. Nothing to do with actual danger, just perception.
Re:Tesla Cybertruck by prepend on Friday November 22, 2019 @11:18PM (#21612444)
I think people like excuses to drive SUVs. I had a friend who drove an SUV and talked about the safety and space needs. But the SUV had worse safety and space than many sedans, wagons, and hatchbacks. I always thought it curious about why they would cover up whatever the reason was for driving an SUV but was never able to talk about it because they got deflective and defensive.
Re:Tesla Cybertruck by Silhouette on Friday November 22, 2019 @07:22AM (#21604907)
Modern safety features certainly help, but ultimately physics is still physics.

There can also be serious problems when modern vehicles have collisions with older vehicles that don't have those safety features, for similar reasons.

Re:Tesla Cybertruck by sanpan on Friday November 22, 2019 @07:08AM (#21604836)
Whoa, freaky. My 9-3 was rear ended by an Avalanche. Luckily no one was hurt and insurance didn't total my car somehow.
Re:Tesla Cybertruck by prepend on Friday November 22, 2019 @11:16PM (#21612435)
I wish it hadn’t totaled mine. It was a 2000 so before GM turned Saabs into Malibus.
Re:Tesla Cybertruck by systemtest on Friday November 22, 2019 @06:21AM (#21604620)
The downside is that an SUV flips over without any effort. Especially with the high greenhouses and unavoidable sunroofs nowadays. I've seen SUVs flip over just from being rear-ended.
Re:Tesla Cybertruck by stef25 on Friday November 22, 2019 @07:23AM (#21604911)
I saw a Defender flipped on its side after being t-boned by a Mercedes taxi.
Re:Tesla Cybertruck by globular-toast on Friday November 22, 2019 @09:44AM (#21605944)
Notice how one of the first marketing points of this new monstrosity is "passenger safety". Because the safety of the passengers in a vehicle the size of a truck with the performance of a sports car is really important. Given the poor standard of driver training it's going to be suicide to drive smaller car soon, let alone be on a bicycle or walking.
Re:Tesla Cybertruck by alasdair_ on Friday November 22, 2019 @07:30AM (#21604949)
This is why I exclusively drive a Mac truck.
Re:Tesla Cybertruck by zentiggr on Friday November 22, 2019 @08:25AM (#21605310)
Oh dear lord, what's Apple gone and done now? Semi rigs?
Re:Tesla Cybertruck by vraivroo on Friday November 22, 2019 @11:09AM (#21606840)
It's "Mack" truck
Re:Tesla Cybertruck by alecmg on Friday November 22, 2019 @06:50AM (#21604750)
speaking of weight

over/under 2.5t on weight of that tesla cyberwart?

Re:Tesla Cybertruck by daxorid on Friday November 22, 2019 @10:00AM (#21606112)
Definitely over. A claimed 500mi range on the upper model with three large motors is a LOT more copper, steel, and lipo cells than the X.
Re:Tesla Cybertruck by stef25 on Friday November 22, 2019 @07:22AM (#21604903)
> have no need for that capacity

If I'm forking out 40K+ on a car I'm going to make sure it's at least useful for 2-3 vacations per year with the kids. That currently requires about 900L of boot space (stroller, 3 big duffels, a few boxes with supplies, toys, etc)

Re:Tesla Cybertruck by zrail on Friday November 22, 2019 @08:00AM (#21605128)
The thing is, if you the math, owning a small car and renting a larger vehicle the 2-3 times a year you need it is vastly less expensive.
Re:Tesla Cybertruck by TwoHeadedBeast on Friday November 22, 2019 @08:36AM (#21605399)
I own zero cars and rent when required. I save a fortune.
Re:Tesla Cybertruck by stef25 on Friday November 22, 2019 @09:28AM (#21605798)
By myself I can live with my bicycle and motorbike but once kids, daycare, schools and 10Kg of groceries per week come in to your life things change.
Re:Tesla Cybertruck by iknowstuff on Monday November 25, 2019 @10:41AM (#21629031)
Most grocery stores in the places I’ve lived offer online shopping. From Amazon Fresh to Carrefour. Try it, it will save you so much effort.
Re:Tesla Cybertruck by zrail on Friday November 22, 2019 @09:14AM (#21605683)
For sure! If your living situation allows it that’s definitely the cheapest option, at least for car budget.
Re:Tesla Cybertruck by chris_overseas on Friday November 22, 2019 @08:15AM (#21605243)
Better for the environment too.
Re:Tesla Cybertruck by TomMarius on Friday November 22, 2019 @08:11AM (#21605218)
Not the case in central/eastern Europe (where most personally owned vehicles are second hand)
Re:Tesla Cybertruck by ycombonator on Friday November 22, 2019 @06:20AM (#21604614)
>people driving it have no idea what they are doing + have no need for that capacity.

Presumptuous to assume the operators of these vehicles don’t have the need for the capacity. My next door neighbor has 3 kids that fit in 3 car seats she carts them around all day not to mention their accessories and shopping and I always thought she needed a bigger vehicle. SUVs fare better in a collision with a smaller car, when it comes to protecting your kids you are better off riding in a tank.

Re:Tesla Cybertruck by rjmunro on Friday November 22, 2019 @07:19AM (#21604883)
Get a MiniVan (called a people carrier in the UK) if you need the capacity, not an SUV. Better MPG, less likely to flip over, similar or greater capacity.
Re:Tesla Cybertruck by geerlingguy on Friday November 22, 2019 @08:49AM (#21605487)
And sliding doors, which are one of the best inventions ever when it comes to getting kids in and out of the car in tight spaces and garages.
Re:Tesla Cybertruck by Silhouette on Friday November 22, 2019 @07:24AM (#21604917)
SUVs fare better in a collision with a smaller car, when it comes to protecting your kids you are better off riding in a tank.

Unless the other party was driving a bigger tank in response to everyone else's tanks.

An arms race where vehicles get heavier and heavier isn't really in anyone's interests over the long run.

Re:Tesla Cybertruck by swish_bob on Friday November 22, 2019 @07:02AM (#21604809)
SUVs have a dreadful record for safety. They feel safe, because they're so big, but they really aren't more safe than smaller vehicles.
Re:Tesla Cybertruck by lawlessone on Friday November 22, 2019 @06:51AM (#21604753)
>3 kids that fit in 3 car seats

Would all fit in a compact

Re:Tesla Cybertruck by Amezarak on Friday November 22, 2019 @07:02AM (#21604807)
Car seats are massive and I’m pretty sure they’re deliberately designed so that few models will fit three to a row. They certainly don’t fit in my compact or my crossover. Putting them in my compact also requires me to drive with my chest on the steering wheel.
Re:Tesla Cybertruck by msh on Friday November 22, 2019 @07:09AM (#21604838)
show me a compact that can take 3 car seats and have isofix mounts for all 3 of them.
Re:Tesla Cybertruck by saturdaysaint on Friday November 22, 2019 @08:52AM (#21605511)
Here's a long list, along with a list of carseats that have been tested "3 across" in those cars. A minivan or SUV would undoubtedly be easier to load kids in and out of, of course.

https://www.thecarcrashdetective.com/3-across-car-seat-guide...

Re:Tesla Cybertruck by rjmunro on Friday November 22, 2019 @07:22AM (#21604902)
Re:Tesla Cybertruck by radicalbyte on Friday November 22, 2019 @08:18AM (#21605266)
There isn't a single compact car on the market which fits a family of five - three children in ISO-fix seats and two adults in the front.

You need to look at the Peugeot 5008 or larger MPVs if you want that.

It's a gap in the market, I'd kill for a Model 3 sized car which was 5cm wider and had three proper seats in the back.

Source: the last three months researching and looking for the smallest car I can buy which can fit the whole family in.

Re:Tesla Cybertruck by GordonS on Saturday November 23, 2019 @09:59AM (#21614418)
Agreed, there are very few cars on the market that fit the bill. There's the Ford S-Max, Peugeot 5008, and the Audi Q7 (which is ludicrously big) - I think that's it.

It really does feel like a massive gap in the market, and I wonder why that is?

BTW, if you're still looking, and depending on the age of your kids, it might be worth looking at the MultiMac - it's basically a new back bench for your car, with 3x car seats built-in.

Re:Tesla Cybertruck by msh on Monday November 25, 2019 @02:24AM (#21626116)
I have the Citroën c4 spaceturer which also does this.

The ww Turan is also a option.

Re:Tesla Cybertruck by globular-toast on Friday November 22, 2019 @09:36AM (#21605876)
Maybe because not many people have triplets? My parents had five children and never had more than one baby seat in the car at a time (they only ever bought one baby seat).
Re:Tesla Cybertruck by msh on Saturday November 23, 2019 @01:44AM (#21612815)
Laws have changed over time. When we got our third our oldest was 6. She was still required to be in a kid seat.
Re:Tesla Cybertruck by JshWright on Friday November 22, 2019 @07:39AM (#21605002)
Most of those have the "third" set of mounts in the front passenger seat. Is it common to put kids in the front seat in the UK?

In the US kids who are small enough to need a car seat aren't going to be in the front (air bags aren't designed for kids)

Re:Tesla Cybertruck by jon-wood on Friday November 22, 2019 @09:35AM (#21605867)
I don't know if its a legal requirement, but every car with passenger airbags I've ridden in over the last five years at least has had the ability to disable the passenger airbag, and clear warnings that you should do so if a child is in the front seat.
Re:Tesla Cybertruck by msh on Friday November 22, 2019 @07:43AM (#21605026)
A lot of those cars arnt compacts. Something like the Grand C4 Picasso is SUV size. And for the compacts they say:

ISOFIX points can be found in the outer rear seats and in the front passenger seat.

So then you most likely wont have space for the second parent.

Re:Tesla Cybertruck by tomatocracy on Friday November 22, 2019 @08:49AM (#21605489)
The ISOFIX requirement is the big constraining factor. Ditch that and you can find combinations of compact car and child seats which will fit three across, though you’ll have less choice in terms of child seats.
Re:Tesla Cybertruck by GordonS on Saturday November 23, 2019 @10:01AM (#21614436)
Even if you ditch the ISOFIX requirement, it's still difficult to find a combination of 3 car seats that will fit across the back bench, even with large cars.
Re:Tesla Cybertruck by eMSF on Friday November 22, 2019 @07:23AM (#21604909)
Technically, all cars can take 3 car seats (1 in the front, 2 in the back) if they have the mounts for it.
Re:Tesla Cybertruck by JshWright on Friday November 22, 2019 @07:35AM (#21604979)
No kid who is small enough to be in a car seat should be in the front passenger seat.
Re:Tesla Cybertruck by Silhouette on Friday November 22, 2019 @07:26AM (#21604927)
And the space. I doubt any normal family car I've ever driven could fit a rear-facing baby seat behind a tall person in the driver's seat, for example.