Teams biggest "Feature" is that is part of the Office 364 Suite, a lot of the layout and other issues are simply forgiven since there are no additional licensing or costs to use it over Slack if you are already on Office 364 Enterprise
Teams is "good enough" for most organizations and is improving,
That is microsoft current plan, be "good enough"
Out of curiosity, what do you think of the Stylish userscript that enables a compact mode in Teams and offers dark and light themes?
I still prefer an App instead of the browser, but that's just personal preference.
Teams is free as part of an Office 365 subscription (just like Sharepoint and all the other crap they bundle with it), which is what definitely makes it an existential threat to Slack, because now Slack is competing with Microsoft's very strong Office monopoly.
The fact that you can create a group with some channels, add your files there and edit them together, have a wiki, have a (not very good) kanban board etc. makes it a pretty complete experience. Some of the tools they release needs more polish and some tools are by themselves much worse than stand alone competitors but having everything in one is pretty nice.
Then there is sharepoint, oh, and onedrive, and they all come in the same package so everyone uses something else.
At a previous company, we had slack and MS Teams side by side, to trial out MS Teams. Everyone preferred Slack by a huge margin. We were told to get use to Teams, because Teams is free.
Guess what, it was fine.. no notable productivity lose going from slack to teams. If anything, team's sharepoint file integration is much better than slack, for keeping a single source of truth.
The Android app in particular has trouble. And muting is all-or-nothing.
I've also had corrupted channels, I even escalated to Microsoft once.
Doesn't matter, since it comes with Office so it basically costs $0.
It's crap, but that's not stopping my employer from replacing literally everything they can with it. Even our desk phones, purportedly.
So if that is indeed the case here, then it does indicate some problems.
I’m amazed that I’m still talking about this :)
Not only is that a miserable experience, but I think it's also a recipe for a product that only gets worse.
That's the over reaction part. The fact that two engineers feels uncomfortable expressing their feelings, says very little about the culture or values in their company.
It could be that they are just too introverted or insecure to speak up about most things, or that they have a good relationship with the fellow engineers in that other team, and don't feel like ruining it by telling them, that their contributions to the product sucks.
But that's not what was said. It was correctly described as a possible management problem, a signal. If your notion is that one should leave at the first signal, that's something you bring to it.
Anyhow, we have evidence that the problem is more widespread. It's obvious from the HN reaction that quite a lot of people hate this feature, engineers especially. But still it was released. If you want to hypothesize a situation that makes that unimportant, you have to dream up a lot more than two extremely insecure engineers.
At least for me, that's a time-to-leave signal.