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Re:Tesla’s European gigafactory will be built in Berlin by wirrbel on Tuesday November 12, 2019 @05:26PM (#21518875)
Berlin is about 230 km (140 miles) away from Wolfsburg, where Volkswagen is located. Pretty sure there is infrastructure and are suppliers nearby.
Re:Tesla’s European gigafactory will be built in Berlin by derda on Wednesday November 13, 2019 @06:43AM (#21523033)
Probably will attract a few people from Volkswagen. I personally know people who commute to WOB from Berlin, since they just cant stand the town. (And you cant blame them). Although to be fair VW acknowledges the undesirability of their hometown and has also opened Dev offices in Berlin.
Re:Tesla’s European gigafactory will be built in Berlin by radicalbyte on Tuesday November 12, 2019 @05:29PM (#21518915)
Talent. It's why you see clustering of industries.
Re:Tesla’s European gigafactory will be built in Berlin by ChuckNorris89 on Tuesday November 12, 2019 @05:39PM (#21518995)
Except that most automotive talent is clustered in the south of Germany (greater Stuttgart and greater Munich), not in Berlin.

If you do a quick job search, those places have the most jobs in Auto and also the highest wages.

Re:Tesla’s European gigafactory will be built in Berlin by wirrbel on Tuesday November 12, 2019 @06:14PM (#21519295)
Wolfsburg ist 200km away from Berlin. Cologne has Ford, Hesse has Opel and continental, although the center of gravity is in the south, it's not like the industry doesn't have a certain spread throughout the country.
Re:Tesla’s European gigafactory will be built in Berlin by pilsetnieks on Tuesday November 12, 2019 @07:19PM (#21519756)
In America, 200 years are a long time; in Europe 200 km is a long distance.
Re:Tesla’s European gigafactory will be built in Berlin by freeflight on Tuesday November 12, 2019 @08:15PM (#21520209)
200 km is the same distance everywhere, how "long" it actually ends up depends on the supporting infrastructure, and that's usually pretty good in Germany.
Re:Tesla’s European gigafactory will be built in Berlin by rusticpenn on Wednesday November 13, 2019 @02:07AM (#21521747)
1 hour by train, 2 hours by car...
Re:Tesla’s European gigafactory will be built in Berlin by jiofih on Wednesday November 13, 2019 @02:51AM (#21521895)
That’s “far” by local standards (I can be two countries over).
Re:Tesla’s European gigafactory will be built in Berlin by rusticpenn on Wednesday November 13, 2019 @03:38AM (#21522103)
As a local, I would disagree...
Re:Tesla’s European gigafactory will be built in Berlin by piva00 on Wednesday November 13, 2019 @04:40AM (#21522433)
That saying is meant for a leisure trip, 200km is close by for almost any kind of industry these days.
Re:Tesla’s European gigafactory will be built in Berlin by SmellyGeekBoy on Wednesday November 13, 2019 @06:22AM (#21522939)
It's a long way to commute!
Re:Tesla’s European gigafactory will be built in Berlin by gerbal on Tuesday November 12, 2019 @05:56PM (#21519151)
Berlin has a very large tech industry, a lower cost of living, and lower wages.
Re:Tesla’s European gigafactory will be built in Berlin by ChuckNorris89 on Tuesday November 12, 2019 @06:03PM (#21519213)
Depends how you want to use the word tech.

For the US it usually means some successful SV FAANG type software company.

For Germany it's usually some successful hardware engineering company (Siemens, Bosch, Mercedes, Arri, Infineon, Continental etc.). Those companies can afford to pay the equivalent of FAANG wages in Germany albeit at a smaller scale.

Southern Germany has more experience and talent in the latter while Berlin has more software startups and web devs, similar to the former.

Re:Tesla’s European gigafactory will be built in Berlin by pantalaimon on Tuesday November 12, 2019 @07:21PM (#21519774)
Berlin definitely also has a hardware engineering/embedded software scene. It's just that there is no single big company (or cluster of big companies) that dominates the market, but rather smaller shops that mostly do contract work or have some specialised product.

There is also a steady supply of students from that branch of tech - AFAIK AutoNOMOS Lab still exists and there are multiple universities in town that over computer science focused on embedded systems.

Re:Tesla’s European gigafactory will be built in Berlin by andrewtbham on Tuesday November 12, 2019 @05:59PM (#21519176)
"Several years ago, Chancellor Angela Merkel said the one in every seven jobs in Germany were "directly or indirectly" linked to the [automotive] sector."

https://www.thelocal.de/20150924/what-the-vw-scandal-means-f...

Germany is the home of Mercedes, BMW, and VW (which owns Porsche and Audi and is one of the largest car manufacturers in the world). Their economy is very dependent on the auto industry. They are also home to many automotive suppliers including bosch and kuka. They are also one of the largest markets in Europe.

So yeh it's all these reasons: logistics, infrastructure, talent. Plus they need German's to think of Tesla as a local brand. Imagine if Tesla is gutting market share from these other companies and they were in another country. It would engender resentment.

Plus Berlin is a cool city :-)

Re:Tesla’s European gigafactory will be built in Berlin by Bombthecat on Tuesday November 12, 2019 @07:16PM (#21519726)
Well, but Berlin can't grow anymore... Building new apartments and houses basically cut in half because the rent control law.. To no one's surprise.. If telsa cant find the talent in Berlin. They will be out of lick because no one can't or want to move to Berlin...
Re:Tesla’s European gigafactory will be built in Berlin by chmod775 on Tuesday November 12, 2019 @07:38PM (#21519918)
What you said is just absolutely wrong. On every level. You are just repeating the propaganda of the landlord lobby.

First off, the number of building permits did actually increase more twofold (by number of apartments) between 2012 and 2018 (the first rent control law took effect in 2015)[1].

Secondly, the rent control law doesn't apply to newly constructed buildings. So suggesting it would somehow decrease incentive to build new apartments is ludicrous. In fact the opposite is true. If you want to have higher rents, you need to construct new buildings.

[1]: https://i.imgur.com/sPgCyTn.png - screenshot because direct links don't work on that page. Source: https://www.statistik-berlin-brandenburg.de

Re:Tesla’s European gigafactory will be built in Berlin by Bombthecat on Wednesday November 13, 2019 @01:32AM (#21521627)
Re:Tesla’s European gigafactory will be built in Berlin by chmod775 on Wednesday November 13, 2019 @03:54AM (#21522210)
That article speaks of a 10% change for a 9 month period on a number that sometimes changed by more than 60% (2013 vs 2014) on a yearly basis in recent years.

In any case a 10% fluctuation can hardly be called "basically cut in half", as you put it. I am reading "10%" as "basically unchanged".

As it stands your argument is not even supported by the sources you are citing yourself.

Edit:

Ahah! When just comparing the single month of September we can find a decrease of about 50% though, according to the article (couldn't find a source for the number though, see below). So at least we have a number like that if we make the window so small that the data we have is beyond useful.

A 50% fluctuation on a monthly basis is perfectly normal though. For instance there was a +120% change in April 2018 / April 2019 (1517 vs 3345)[1] in total permits on a per-apartment basis. You can find plenty of such fluctuations though when just looking at months.

The data is pretty much completely useless on a month-by-month basis and can easily be skewed by a few large projects.

Also I can't figure out where that article is pulling its numbers from, because it quotes "more than 1700 permits for apartments last year in September", while the official statistics[1] just have 1301 when counting any kind of permit. For completeness, here is the press release referred to by the article, which also doesn't contain any number like that: https://www.statistik-berlin-brandenburg.de/pms/2019/19-11-0...

[1]: https://www.statistik-berlin-brandenburg.de/publikationen/St...

Re:Tesla’s European gigafactory will be built in Berlin by iagovar on Tuesday November 12, 2019 @07:16PM (#21519737)
Note: Kuka is basically chinese now, even moved operations to china.