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Re:Risky Mortgage Bonds Are Back and Delinquencies Are Pilin... by H8crilA on Tuesday November 05, 2019 @03:05PM (#21456094)
Mortgage debt will probably not be a problem in this cycle. People have this bias to remember most recent event, but it's rarely the same thing twice in a row: https://imgur.com/a/0dT7iHK

Corporate debt may be: https://imgur.com/a/b54hMSg

And frankly with the amount of outstanding US govt debt and underfunded pension & healthcare liabilities the USD may either get dethroned and devalued or sent into the negative interest rates purgatory like Japan is currently living in. Japan cannot possibly ever raise rates, at 2% rates 100% of their tax take will go towards paying the interest on their 250% national debt.

Add to that the history of Smoot-Hawley and the general outlook of the 1930s ...

Re:Risky Mortgage Bonds Are Back and Delinquencies Are Pilin... by AWildC182 on Tuesday November 05, 2019 @03:22PM (#21456262)
There definitely seems to be motive and opportunity on the housing side though right? Student debt among other things is high and not many 25-35yo people are buying houses but there's a lot of cash chasing returns. These mortgage backed securities are always seen as a reliable way to make a buck but nobody is questioning the market because "It'll never happen the same way twice".
Re:Risky Mortgage Bonds Are Back and Delinquencies Are Pilin... by H8crilA on Tuesday November 05, 2019 @08:35PM (#21458902)
I meant it's probably not going to be the same "core reason".

When shit hits the fan probably all delinquencies and spreads will go up, including mortgage.

Re:Risky Mortgage Bonds Are Back and Delinquencies Are Pilin... by skybrian on Tuesday November 05, 2019 @03:54PM (#21456570)
Is there a reason why Japan shouldn't monetize the debt? The usual explanation is that it would cause inflation, but I'm not sure how that works for government debt that trades near 0% anyway. It's a tradeable store of value that you can trade 1:1 for money, so might as well be money?
Re:Risky Mortgage Bonds Are Back and Delinquencies Are Pilin... by H8crilA on Tuesday November 05, 2019 @03:56PM (#21456591)
Bernanke was pitching them this idea. He suggested the Japanses government issues zero-coupon perpetual bonds and the BoJ buys them. Ha, ha, "bonds".

As crazy as this sounds I think it makes sense - just admit honestly that the situation is fucked up, monetize, generate stagflation and eventual normalization.

Re:Risky Mortgage Bonds Are Back and Delinquencies Are Pilin... by skybrian on Tuesday November 05, 2019 @04:13PM (#21456761)
It seems like I'm missing something basic. I would like to understand when the inflation happens and where it comes from. More money chasing fewer goods, sure, but if we already have too much of a money-equivalent, why aren't bondholders chasing goods with it already? And, clearly there isn't any inflation.

It seems like demand should have increased when the government sold the bonds and spent the money.

Re:Risky Mortgage Bonds Are Back and Delinquencies Are Pilin... by nostrademons on Tuesday November 05, 2019 @05:11PM (#21457310)
You and everybody else. Japan's current situation seems to stump most economic models.

I wonder if there's something about culture and having basic survival needs met. Most economic models assume effectively unlimited long-term demand: as productivity grows and people in existing sectors are thrown out of work, they will find new things to do, and the people who have reaped the financial rewards of productivity growth will find things that they want to spend money on, creating new jobs for the previously unemployed. What if this doesn't happen? What if instead of using money as a means to an end, people use it as the end itself, effectively treating it as a scorecard to be maximized without spending it? And what if on the other end, instead of people finding new ways to obtain money, they opt out of the economy instead, creating alternate games (literally - video games are apparently the main extra-economic outlet) to play. With basic survival needs taken care of by parents, there's no forcing function that makes them participate in the economy. You'd get a reality that looks fairly similar to our actual reality, in Japan and increasingly in other developed areas of the globe.

Re:Risky Mortgage Bonds Are Back and Delinquencies Are Pilin... by connectsnk on Tuesday November 05, 2019 @10:33PM (#21459523)
>What if instead of using money as a means to an end, people use it as the end itself

This line got me thinking about so many things from my own life. You opened my eyes to another view point I had missed for the past 10 years. I am truly thankful to you for posting this comment.

Re:Risky Mortgage Bonds Are Back and Delinquencies Are Pilin... by connectsnk on Wednesday November 06, 2019 @01:56AM (#21460321)
I would be really grateful if you can let us know your thoughts that if interest rates go to zero, would the asset prices continue to increase to infinity?
Re:Risky Mortgage Bonds Are Back and Delinquencies Are Pilin... by nostrademons on Wednesday November 06, 2019 @12:21PM (#21464664)
I've thought about negative interest rates specifically at length, and I can't imagine a situation where they don't lead to a chaotic breakdown in capital markets or even a currency collapse. The problem is in the compounding: normally there's a negative feedback loop against borrowing too much because you have to pay back more than you borrowed, and if you don't, you go bankrupt and can't borrow any more. With negative rates, there's a positive feedback loop: the more you borrow, the more you make in profit, so everybody is incentivized to borrow as much as they possibly can, nobody wants to pay anything back, total debt increases to infinity, and with it the amount of money in circulation and asset prices also increase to infinity. Additionally, the most profitable sector of the economy becomes borrowing money, so all productive work stops and people focus on financial gains.

This is pretty much the definition of hyperinflation, so there's a template for what happens here, but not in the developed world.

I suspect that a lot of the demand for Bitcoin is also driven by fear of this scenario. In the world above, the incentive for savers is to simply not play in the established financial world; they'll take their savings and put it in assets that are not rapidly going to zero. If only there were a transferrable currency that's deflationary by design and immune to manipulations of supply & interest rates...

Re:Risky Mortgage Bonds Are Back and Delinquencies Are Pilin... by dragonwriter on Tuesday November 05, 2019 @05:18PM (#21457378)
> I would like to understand when the inflation happens and where it comes from. More money chasing fewer goods, sure

It comes from weakening the perceived future security of the currency, which reduces demand for it; once you monetize fiscal needs, your currency is perceived as one more at risk of being devalued to monetize fiscal needs, which itself devalues it.

Re:Risky Mortgage Bonds Are Back and Delinquencies Are Pilin... by skybrian on Tuesday November 05, 2019 @06:34PM (#21458067)
So it's all about perception? The Bank of Japan has been trying to credibly promise 2% inflation for a while and failing [1]. Maybe if they monetized some of the debt, people would take them seriously?

[1] https://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2019/08/23/business/econom...

Re:Risky Mortgage Bonds Are Back and Delinquencies Are Pilin... by raducu on Wednesday November 06, 2019 @01:49AM (#21460293)
But the government spent the money over decades.

Monetizing the debt overnight is like a dam braking.

Re:Risky Mortgage Bonds Are Back and Delinquencies Are Pilin... by skybrian on Wednesday November 06, 2019 @09:56AM (#21463150)
I don't think there is any reason to do it overnight, so why would they do that? It would make more sense to pay off bonds as they mature.
Re:Risky Mortgage Bonds Are Back and Delinquencies Are Pilin... by CyanLite2 on Tuesday November 05, 2019 @04:54PM (#21457126)
Japan however is shrinking in population and missed the whole baby boomer generation for obvious reasons. Without the population growth, they can't grow their GDP to get their debt levels in a reasonable range.
Re:Risky Mortgage Bonds Are Back and Delinquencies Are Pilin... by skybrian on Tuesday November 05, 2019 @04:59PM (#21457186)
But, hypothetically, if they monetized the debt, it wouldn't be debt anymore?
Re:Risky Mortgage Bonds Are Back and Delinquencies Are Pilin... by anonuser123456 on Tuesday November 05, 2019 @05:06PM (#21457262)
I believe Japan owns most of it's debt, so it cant monitize it for political reasons.
Re:Risky Mortgage Bonds Are Back and Delinquencies Are Pilin... by dragonwriter on Tuesday November 05, 2019 @05:14PM (#21457336)
Monetizing debt makes both your currency and your government untrusted.
Re:Risky Mortgage Bonds Are Back and Delinquencies Are Pilin... by mdorazio on Tuesday November 05, 2019 @07:29PM (#21458524)
But on the flip side, being unable to pay the interest on your debt and also being unable to show any sign of growing the economy enough to fix its structural weakness has the same effect. It at least seems like an either/or situation at this point.
Re:Risky Mortgage Bonds Are Back and Delinquencies Are Pilin... by mc32 on Tuesday November 05, 2019 @03:24PM (#21456275)
So if the USD becomes weak, who out there could be in a position to become stronger? I don’t see any candidate. Euro growth is weak. CN bookkeeping’s suspect...
Re:Risky Mortgage Bonds Are Back and Delinquencies Are Pilin... by landryraccoon on Tuesday November 05, 2019 @04:20PM (#21456829)
> CN bookkeeping’s suspect...

IMO Americans are biased to overweight this. It doesn't matter as long as China can keep up appearances better than other countries for long enough. Investors will happily invest in a bubble believing that they are smart enough to get out before everyone else if things go south.

Bad bookkeeping doesn't keep the NBA and Activision from kowtowing to China, I don't see why it would keep people from investing there either.

Re:Risky Mortgage Bonds Are Back and Delinquencies Are Pilin... by ISL on Tuesday November 05, 2019 @04:27PM (#21456892)
One of the many Buffett-isms is to only make investments where, if the market were to close for five years, you'd sleep well. It is that premise that shapes my investing theses relating to China.
Re:Risky Mortgage Bonds Are Back and Delinquencies Are Pilin... by chepaslaaa on Tuesday November 05, 2019 @11:05PM (#21459639)
If investors were all as wise as Buffet time arbitrage wouldn't be a thing.
Re:Risky Mortgage Bonds Are Back and Delinquencies Are Pilin... by awinder on Tuesday November 05, 2019 @04:43PM (#21457040)
1. Yeah plenty of non-Americans think this too, _maybe_ if you said “westerners” it’d be defensible, but it’d still be wrong.

2. The nba & activision are selling goods to China, or maybe they put a little money into real assets to reach that audience. They’re not investing in Chinese financial instruments which is what the entire thread is about

Re:Risky Mortgage Bonds Are Back and Delinquencies Are Pilin... by landryraccoon on Tuesday November 05, 2019 @06:06PM (#21457785)
If China has enough real money to bend the NBA and Activision doesn’t that imply that the bookkeeping isn’t fake - CN’s success is real, not imagined?
Re:Risky Mortgage Bonds Are Back and Delinquencies Are Pilin... by mc32 on Tuesday November 05, 2019 @06:30PM (#21458028)
No, it’s like a car dealership not extending credit to someone with bad credit but who will gladly take a bank check.
Re:Risky Mortgage Bonds Are Back and Delinquencies Are Pilin... by landryraccoon on Tuesday November 05, 2019 @06:58PM (#21458282)
I don't see the distinction. If they have Activision, Apple, Tesla and Disney as customers why wouldn't banks, financial markets and investors trust them? I would argue they already do, I highly doubt China has trouble floating debt or attracting foreign investment right now.
Re:Risky Mortgage Bonds Are Back and Delinquencies Are Pilin... by mc32 on Tuesday November 05, 2019 @05:01PM (#21457209)
Exactly, now if they were paying the nba etc with 30 year Chinese non transferable bonds the parent would have a case.
Re:Risky Mortgage Bonds Are Back and Delinquencies Are Pilin... by landryraccoon on Tuesday November 05, 2019 @07:00PM (#21458312)
Why would investors not want to invest in a country that flush with liquid cash? I don't see how this is an argument that investors wouldn't see China as desirable.
Re:Risky Mortgage Bonds Are Back and Delinquencies Are Pilin... by awinder on Tuesday November 05, 2019 @09:35PM (#21459215)
Because Chinas current market system is just about a decade old.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_accounting_standards

By all means, investors want to put money into China. It’s the amount of money you want to put into an immature market that is the question. And that’s not a dig and it’s not jingoistic, it’s just a fact, when you run a large market for over a century you kinda build solid foundations that can’t just be replicated on the spot. China’s market developing is a great thing but it’s just too young to seriously think it’s ready to be a reserve currency today.

Re:Risky Mortgage Bonds Are Back and Delinquencies Are Pilin... by diminoten on Tuesday November 05, 2019 @04:29PM (#21456904)
Americans aren't the only ones to overweight the shady monetary policy in China, and as a result it'll not become the defacto standard like the US Dollar is, as long as that shadiness remains.
Re:Risky Mortgage Bonds Are Back and Delinquencies Are Pilin... by bduerst on Tuesday November 05, 2019 @04:54PM (#21457127)
Such as who? I agree with GP and still think this is biased projection. Factors such as growing trade control over APAC and a middle class larger than the population of the U.S. only speak in favor of the Yuan. Also, what you call shady currency control can be viewed as a be a signal of ensuring stability.
Re:Risky Mortgage Bonds Are Back and Delinquencies Are Pilin... by AnimalMuppet on Tuesday November 05, 2019 @04:07PM (#21456713)
If the USD is stronger than it should be, what should happen is that the USD becomes weaker, that is, that every other currency becomes relatively stronger. None of them need become the new "stronger than it should be". They can just all move up relative to the dollar.
Re:Risky Mortgage Bonds Are Back and Delinquencies Are Pilin... by toomuchtodo on Tuesday November 05, 2019 @03:25PM (#21456286)
India, still a youngish population compared to China but with 1.4 billion people and still rapidly developing. Also helps they're strong in service industries, deliverable to the world.
Re:Risky Mortgage Bonds Are Back and Delinquencies Are Pilin... by sremani on Tuesday November 05, 2019 @04:34PM (#21456946)
I grew up in India and have family in India. India is not ready for PRIME TIME not in my life time.

It's complicated, its nation of nations. Still caste is a still is strong basis of political patronage. It has come a long way, but has long way to go!

India's Navy is a joke, Airforce is a flying junkyard and Army is an amalgam of bad ideas, and pension commitments.

I do not see India going anywhere. India has been hope of Asia since 1950s, and it will remain that way into 2050!

Re:Risky Mortgage Bonds Are Back and Delinquencies Are Pilin... by moreorless on Tuesday November 05, 2019 @03:46PM (#21456496)
Doing the needful?
Re:Risky Mortgage Bonds Are Back and Delinquencies Are Pilin... by beamatronic on Tuesday November 05, 2019 @04:36PM (#21456965)
I haven’t heard that one in about 10 years.
Re:Risky Mortgage Bonds Are Back and Delinquencies Are Pilin... by sremani on Tuesday November 05, 2019 @04:28PM (#21456898)
I think its No one out there, but some people I respect say, IMF SDR, I kind of get it. But IMF does not have a NAVY!
Re:Risky Mortgage Bonds Are Back and Delinquencies Are Pilin... by breerly on Tuesday November 05, 2019 @03:45PM (#21456491)
Bitcoin.
Re:Risky Mortgage Bonds Are Back and Delinquencies Are Pilin... by inscionent on Tuesday November 05, 2019 @04:19PM (#21456819)
Beat me to it.
Re:Risky Mortgage Bonds Are Back and Delinquencies Are Pilin... by randogogogo on Tuesday November 05, 2019 @03:24PM (#21456274)
Queue the ZeroHedge style conspiracy theories and watch the sparks fly. That idea of a dethroned dollar is interesting, any thoughts at was is likely to take over? The Euro?
Re:Risky Mortgage Bonds Are Back and Delinquencies Are Pilin... by beamatronic on Tuesday November 05, 2019 @04:35PM (#21456956)
Coming from ZH? it must be gold.
Re:Risky Mortgage Bonds Are Back and Delinquencies Are Pilin... by simonebrunozzi on Tuesday November 05, 2019 @07:14PM (#21458411)
> at 2% rates 100% of their tax take will go towards paying the interest on their 250% national debt.

I'm not sure I agree with your math. Care to elaborate a bit further?

Re:Risky Mortgage Bonds Are Back and Delinquencies Are Pilin... by aidenn0 on Tuesday November 05, 2019 @09:36PM (#21459223)
I know nothing about japan so I worked the numbers

1. Japan's debt is 250% GDP (from GP)

2. At 2% interest rates, 100% of the tax haul will go towards servicing debt (from GP)

3. 2.5*0.02 = 0.05; Japans tax take is 5% of GDP?

#3 seems off by a factor of 6. So No clue what GP was suggesting.

Re:Risky Mortgage Bonds Are Back and Delinquencies Are Pilin... by ta0xdeadbeef on Wednesday November 06, 2019 @12:48AM (#21460032)
Consumer debt (auto loans/credit cards) spooks me more than corporate debt, since that's the tentpole that's kept up spending with stagnant wages. Auto loans are especially sketchy, it's way too easy to buy a car you can't afford.
Re:Risky Mortgage Bonds Are Back and Delinquencies Are Pilin... by diminoten on Tuesday November 05, 2019 @04:28PM (#21456894)
Going through mortgage application now, they grill the shit out of you on every little detail of your life now. They're aware of the last crash, and have done a lot to compensate.
Re:Risky Mortgage Bonds Are Back and Delinquencies Are Pilin... by YourMatt on Tuesday November 05, 2019 @04:46PM (#21457078)
On the other hand, I recently sold a house that received a lot of offers. Only one person actually had the down payment money. Everyone else's loans were approved, but most were people were coming with low cash and lower income than I would have expected. Some looked like irresponsible loans to me.
Re:Risky Mortgage Bonds Are Back and Delinquencies Are Pilin... by ta0xdeadbeef on Wednesday November 06, 2019 @12:51AM (#21460039)
When I was a whippersnapper 15% down was considered pretty low. These days you can get pre-approved with less than 10% down and no validation that your downpayment isn't a loan itself. Kinda crazy.
Re:Risky Mortgage Bonds Are Back and Delinquencies Are Pilin... by diminoten on Wednesday November 06, 2019 @03:46PM (#21467043)
Why would I tie up funds in a mortgage where I can make more in the market with those funds? Just have to make sure I actually put my funds into the market, heh...
Re:Risky Mortgage Bonds Are Back and Delinquencies Are Pilin... by subsaharancoder on Tuesday November 05, 2019 @04:53PM (#21457120)
Mind if I ask which state? I'm asking because I live in CA and all I keep hearing is people being outbid and some times with cash offers.
Re:Risky Mortgage Bonds Are Back and Delinquencies Are Pilin... by YourMatt on Tuesday November 05, 2019 @05:19PM (#21457388)
This was in Colorado. The market's hot, and I think that's in part because people are afraid that Colorado is going full California on real estate. They want to get a piece while they still can.
Re:Risky Mortgage Bonds Are Back and Delinquencies Are Pilin... by bobongo on Wednesday November 06, 2019 @04:55PM (#21467892)
I don't have any experience in this.

When you sell a house and the buyer is paying via mortgage, do you get paid cash by the mortgage company in full (the purchase price) at once, or do you receive a monthly amount from the mortgage company that sums up to the house price you sold for?

Re:Risky Mortgage Bonds Are Back and Delinquencies Are Pilin... by diminoten on Tuesday November 05, 2019 @07:27PM (#21458514)
Why would you be involved in their loans at all, if you're the seller of the house? How would you know what they were putting as down payments or what their incomes were?
Re:Risky Mortgage Bonds Are Back and Delinquencies Are Pilin... by YourMatt on Wednesday November 06, 2019 @04:56PM (#21467904)
I was given the information to help base my decision on which offer to accept. The idea is that the better qualified buyer has a better chance of actually closing. I thought it was a little strange as well. Each of my offers came with details about their financing, and in a few cases, the buyer's income information.
Re:Risky Mortgage Bonds Are Back and Delinquencies Are Pilin... by anonuser123456 on Tuesday November 05, 2019 @03:30PM (#21456337)
One of these days the gold bugs will be right. This might be the one...
Re:Risky Mortgage Bonds Are Back and Delinquencies Are Pilin... by dageshi on Tuesday November 05, 2019 @04:09PM (#21456729)
I was one once, they may sort of be right. Gold will never become a "standard" again, but it could be extremely useful for preserving wealth from one standard to another.

Gold has always been touted as a hedge against inflation, it's not, it's a hedge against financial system instability, inflation being a major symptom of such instability.

Re:Risky Mortgage Bonds Are Back and Delinquencies Are Pilin... by tryptophan on Tuesday November 05, 2019 @04:24PM (#21456865)
I've read that gold is a hedge against unexpected inflation, but this dumbed down to 'gold is a hedge for inflation'.
Re:Risky Mortgage Bonds Are Back and Delinquencies Are Pilin... by roenxi on Tuesday November 05, 2019 @04:35PM (#21456961)
Since around 1970 (US leaves the gold standard) gold has slightly outpaced inflation according to the US BLS inflation calculator [0].

Calculator thinks $6,000/kg => $41,000/kg, actual price $6,000/kg to $48,000/kg. That makes sense because 'true' inflation (consumer goods + assets) probably outpaces official inflation (consumer goods only).

Gold can't exactly get more or less valuable over time. It is a rock. We have no practical uses for it.

[0] https://www.bls.gov/data/inflation_calculator.htm

Re:Risky Mortgage Bonds Are Back and Delinquencies Are Pilin... by ehvatum on Tuesday November 05, 2019 @05:36PM (#21457513)
Gold can't exactly get more or less valuable over time. It is a rock. We have no practical uses for it.

My impulse to point out that it's a very useful metal is tempered by my surprise that only 10% of gold production goes to applications where gold does something other than look golden or just exist as a physical store of value. It seems a little silly. Gold mining is quite destructive; environmentalists should fly around the world, giving speeches on the worthlessness of gold, but where's the glamor in that?

Re:Risky Mortgage Bonds Are Back and Delinquencies Are Pilin... by roenxi on Tuesday November 05, 2019 @05:48PM (#21457622)
Yeah, it would have lots of uses if we had industrial quantities of it.

> Gold mining is quite destructive; environmentalists should ...

If it makes you feel better, it is common for gold to be found as an enriched layer sitting on top of a copper deposit. So a big chunk of gold mining isn't gold-for-gold's sake, it is something mined on the way to a much more practical substance - copper.

Actual gold mines doing environmental damage are a thing (cyanide ahoy!) but the footprint is small and hopefully not important.

Re:Risky Mortgage Bonds Are Back and Delinquencies Are Pilin... by linuxftw on Tuesday November 05, 2019 @07:16PM (#21458433)
Wait until you hear how destructive lithium mines are. There are lots of towns in the western US polluted by the mining industry.
Re:Risky Mortgage Bonds Are Back and Delinquencies Are Pilin... by TremendousJudge on Tuesday November 05, 2019 @03:31PM (#21456350)
How exactly?
Re:Risky Mortgage Bonds Are Back and Delinquencies Are Pilin... by H8crilA on Tuesday November 05, 2019 @04:08PM (#21456722)
Well a currency devaluation looks like decreasing numbers on USD/gold and also like increasing numbers on gold/USD.
Re:Risky Mortgage Bonds Are Back and Delinquencies Are Pilin... by jstewartmobile on Tuesday November 05, 2019 @04:40PM (#21456996)
I'd put my bets on student loan debt. The push for forgiveness is so strong, there must be some other force at play--something more than just pandering to millenials.
Re:Risky Mortgage Bonds Are Back and Delinquencies Are Pilin... by to11mtm on Tuesday November 05, 2019 @06:48PM (#21458194)
It's more than just pandering to millenials. This is also about pandering to Academia.

Depending on how the student loan bubble bursts, it could wind up with a number of institutions being forced to shut their doors, or make large cuts to staff/programs/etc.

Re:Risky Mortgage Bonds Are Back and Delinquencies Are Pilin... by jstewartmobile on Tuesday November 05, 2019 @06:51PM (#21458223)
Definitely a factor. Not just a coincidence that Warren was a professor, Sanders' wife was a college administrator, Buttigieg's dad is a professor...
Re:Risky Mortgage Bonds Are Back and Delinquencies Are Pilin... by sjg007 on Tuesday November 05, 2019 @07:30PM (#21458534)
Student loans are basically a variable tax to attend college. There should be a relief valve of pay like 10% extra in taxes until the principal is paid off. People paying interest on the loans can get a tax deduction for the interest as well (it actually makes no sense to have interest on the loans because that interest is going back to the Feds in 90% of cases).
Re:Risky Mortgage Bonds Are Back and Delinquencies Are Pilin... by jstewartmobile on Tuesday November 05, 2019 @07:35PM (#21458559)
federally subsidized student loans shouldn't exist. supply and demand--they are the reason college has gotten so expensive in the first place.

in the old days, people could pay tuition with a part-time job.

Re:Risky Mortgage Bonds Are Back and Delinquencies Are Pilin... by s3r3nity on Tuesday November 05, 2019 @05:48PM (#21457617)
Looking at the data, the best estimates peg student loans to be consolidated to ~10-12% of the US 18+ population.

Not saying it _isn't_ part of the story, but I don't think it's as big of a factor as folks might initially (or anecdotally) believe.

Re:Risky Mortgage Bonds Are Back and Delinquencies Are Pilin... by jstewartmobile on Tuesday November 05, 2019 @05:58PM (#21457708)
that's also what they said about residential mortgage debt in 2007. never underestimate the bankers' ability to use one large batch of shitty loans to back an even bigger batch of them.
Re:Risky Mortgage Bonds Are Back and Delinquencies Are Pilin... by notadoc on Tuesday November 05, 2019 @04:28PM (#21456897)
> Mortgage debt will probably not be a problem in this cycle.

Disagree if you consider that many people are getting mortgages on overvalued properties at or near market peaks now, and in another significant downturn those could easily be underwater by 15%-50%. The same thing happened widely in the prior real estate bust in many trendy areas, leading to many foreclosures.

Re:Risky Mortgage Bonds Are Back and Delinquencies Are Pilin... by fortran77 on Tuesday November 05, 2019 @04:31PM (#21456917)
The biggest damage was in non-trendy areas like Las Vegas suburbs or Orlando suburbs.
Re:Risky Mortgage Bonds Are Back and Delinquencies Are Pilin... by losteric on Tuesday November 05, 2019 @04:50PM (#21457103)
I only see this happening in exploding tech markets like SF, where the impact would honestly be minimal - some people might have to downsize but we wouldn't see mass unemployment or homelessness/crippling debt like after 2008.