I'm no supporter of either Apple or Goog, but applauding a mass spyware device from the CCP would be satire a couple years ago.
It's not like they have a track record of subverting phones for targeted genocide or anything[1]
[1] https://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2019/09/massive_iphon...
Say what you want about the chinese, but they're not the only ones playing that game.
The original comment is literally comparing Huawei favouably to US counterparts, though
China is not a liberal democracy and is guilty of many human rights violations.
If you want to use Huawei devices, go ahead, it's a personal choice, but preferring Chinese devices for security or privacy reasons is just plain stupid.
And the parent's argument is textbook whataboutism.
Yes, the US has active spying agencies. Irrelevant for the topic being discussed.
the history excludes any other country but China.. is that what you meant?
To me, OP put things in perspective.
Unless it looks like the NSA gets Apple and Google to put in back-doors, the products are still significantly safer than Huawei which is just an arm of the government.
Or someone who is kept completely away from you by those sworn to protect you?
Google and Apple and etc are controlled by the American government. The one who can actually do something to you.
The CCP can't do anything to me. Try getting to me. The USA has power over me. The CCP has zero power in my life.
So yes, I would prefer my spyware to be sending my info to someone with zero capability to put it to use.
A phone without all of them would be the best deal but, as an European, I'm 100% sure that assuming all three of them are spying on people using their phones, currently the Chinese are the least likely to give any data about me to my government.
EDIT: Since people don't seem to believe me. Just look at this [1] NPR article from this morning, which quotes: "The Chinese, are our No. 1 intelligence threat."
[1] https://www.npr.org/2019/09/19/761962531/people-are-looking-...
EDIT: Since people don't seem to believe me, just look at this [1] NPR article from this morning, which quotes: "The Chinese, are our No. 1 intelligence threat."
[1] https://www.npr.org/2019/09/19/761962531/people-are-looking-...
What country do you buy your phone from ? Censoring China, waterboarding US, genocidal Israel, negationist Japan ?
Nor Huawei or Google or Apple are from Israel, and the discussion is about a product launched by Huawei, a Chinese company with deep ties with China's Communist Party.
https://privacyinternational.org/long-read/3164/two-states-a...
The US got there first, but it seems other countries have been rapidly catching up.
Random Chinese made IOT devices phoning home to servers in China is definitely a thing, but has nothing to do with Huawei.
[1] https://www.techrepublic.com/article/evidence-of-backdoors-i...
Devices that need to legitimately phone home for something tend to do so by requesting servers within or close to the country they were developed in.
Imagine people getting riled up at the thought of Apple phoning home to a US-based NTP server..
In fact at least two of your articles are about them putting spyware on iPhones, which undercuts your point further.
Sorry are you saying that Huawei users are thick or something?
(If you have evidence of Huawei phones having software preinstalled that uploads a user's whatsapp conversations and whatnot to some IP then be my guest! But I don't think you do...)
https://www.xda-developers.com/xda-huawei-decision-stop-boot...
If you can't unlock the bootloader, that means you can't change the OS or root the phone.
This upset developers, especially since Huawei pays XDA Developers to promote their sub-brand (Honor) with sponsored content. It's ironic to see Huawei ads plastered all over XDA when Huawei phones are not developer-friendly at all.
https://www.pine64.org/2019/09/05/september-update-the-pinep...
It's definitely a device for tinkerers and open source enthusiasts, but the price and the number of different projects supporting it is pretty exciting.
Some more technical details on the project:
So people try, just that the core consumer market don't care/or aware of what such choices actualy mean for them still - hence, many do fail.
But some nice more open phones comming and getting better on prices. Until then, a good old supported phone for alternative OS that you can root and the likes of old samsungs, moto and pixel phones just seem to be the safer bets.
But doable today, just effort above what you would really want to be doing still.
It's a reasonable phone for me, but I don't have especially high requirements.
I'm still waiting for a reasonable phone that will allow me to install my own OS and, more importantly, dump the OS and go with something else when it annoys me.