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Re:Bring Back the SE by dijit on Tuesday September 10, 2019 @02:52PM (#20931883)
Every year I wait on bated breath at the release of a similarly compact phone to the SE. I even recently bought a new one right before they removed them from the store, so I have 2 year apple care+ for it to tide me over.

Ordinarily I would vote with my wallet, but there are no compact Android phones either.

Ironically I still own a Oneplus One which is quite old by todays standards; and I distinctly remember it being called a "Phablet" due to it's obtuse stature in comparison to its contemporaries. However it would not look out of place today, in fact in comparison to my friends iPhone Xs (not max) it hardly seems at all larger!

I would merrily slam down 1K+ EUR for a real flagship phone at a size I can actually use.

(also, I wonder how women get on, since generally they have smaller hands than men.)

Re:Bring Back the SE by aczerepinski on Tuesday September 10, 2019 @03:31PM (#20932544)
I wouldn't even call the SE compact. It's just normal. It's the size that Steve Jobs said fits comfortably in your hand, and since hand sizes haven't changed, it's still true today.
Re:Bring Back the SE by NeedMoreTea on Tuesday September 10, 2019 @04:38PM (#20933437)
Wasn't that talking about the iPhone 4, before they added the extra row of icons on the 5 and SE form factor?

As is, I have no inclination to give up my SE, and if it fails I'll almost certainly pick up another off eBay or similar.

Re:Bring Back the SE by ken on Tuesday September 10, 2019 @10:35PM (#20936059)
Re:Bring Back the SE by wlesieutre on Tuesday September 10, 2019 @04:38PM (#20933433)
It’s actually a bit bigger, the original iPhone was 3.5” screen and the iPhone 5 got taller.

I have to give up a bit of grip to get my thumb to the top corners of the screen, but it’s a lot better than anything else and I’d say worth the trade off for the extra space. Bigger than this I’m not convinced.

Re:Bring Back the SE by ken on Tuesday September 10, 2019 @10:46PM (#20936119)
David Pogue's review of the original iPhone mentioned "the HUGE 3.5-inch screen" (his emphasis).

https://bits.blogs.nytimes.com/2007/01/09/some-hands-on-time...

Re:Bring Back the SE by deftturtle on Tuesday September 10, 2019 @05:56PM (#20934261)
I noticed the other day that the SE/5s screen is exactly the dimension of a standard business card.
Re:Bring Back the SE by sramsay on Tuesday September 10, 2019 @03:18PM (#20932316)
A thousand times this. My absolute number one requirement (after things like, um, the ability to make phone calls) is that it fit in my front-left pocket. I didn't upgrade to the last model for this reason and no other.

But I can only assume that Apple does plenty of market research on their products, so I assume people aren't checking off "the thing is too damn big" under "reasons I didn't upgrade?"

Re:Bring Back the SE by theshrike79 on Tuesday September 10, 2019 @03:23PM (#20932405)
I've had the 8+ and now XS in my front left pocket just fine. Maybe buy some looser pants? =)
Re:Bring Back the SE by geerlingguy on Tuesday September 10, 2019 @03:38PM (#20932651)
I can fit the larger phones (though still prefer the SE size), but my wife has demonstrated how even the SE is often spilling out of whatever pocket or other way-smaller device holding pocket is on her clothing items. Unless fashion trends change, or everyone who uses purses goes for some giant bag (and likes keeping their phones in a bag, not on their person), there is a large number of people who could use a smaller phone.
Re:Bring Back the SE by eq_sd_ on Tuesday September 10, 2019 @05:10PM (#20933793)
Here is a great article on the size of women's and men's pockets and phones: https://pudding.cool/2018/08/pockets/
Re:Bring Back the SE by rabboRubble on Tuesday September 10, 2019 @04:49PM (#20933544)
A good pocket in women's clothing is unicorn level fashion.

I however always have a bra strap. I end up storing my phone there most of the time.

Re:Bring Back the SE by Nursie on Wednesday September 11, 2019 @03:04AM (#20937322)
I know a lot of women who find the pocket situation in women's clothes very frustrating. They feel like they're being dictated to that showing off the line of their hip is more important than actually being able to carry anything useful.
Re:Bring Back the SE by labster on Tuesday September 10, 2019 @03:56PM (#20932927)
Buy this $1000 phone, and you can always have it along if you replace your entire wardrobe!
Re:Bring Back the SE by adrianN on Wednesday September 11, 2019 @03:31AM (#20937447)
The GameBoy solution: Just have a tailor make pants with pockets that fit the device.
Re:Bring Back the SE by bangonkeyboard on Tuesday September 10, 2019 @03:03PM (#20932078)
> (also, I wonder how women get on, since generally they have smaller hands than men.)

The women around me adopted larger phones earlier, because they had purses to carry them in.

Re:Bring Back the SE by dijit on Tuesday September 10, 2019 @03:06PM (#20932136)
Maybe, but I have a mix, my partner has a large phone and carries a backpack(!?) with her everywhere, but her closest friend has an iPhone 5 (which she doesn't update the OS on because "it will get slower").

So in my circles it's already 50/50. But I do see iPhone 5's and SE's amongst my circles more commonly than I should given the age of the phone. I'm not 100% on why, though I often ask. And it's incredibly rare that it's a cost decision.

Re:Bring Back the SE by bangonkeyboard on Tuesday September 10, 2019 @03:22PM (#20932393)
> …her closest friend has an iPhone 5 (which she doesn't update the OS on because "it will get slower").

If her iPhone 5 is still running iOS 6, she is correct.

Re:Bring Back the SE by Izkata on Tuesday September 10, 2019 @07:53PM (#20935172)
> my partner has a large phone and carries a backpack(!?) with her everywhere

Bringing the SCR-300 back in style?

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/SCR-300

Re:Bring Back the SE by edoceo on Tuesday September 10, 2019 @08:28PM (#20935375)
Audio quality on that model is not great
Re:Bring Back the SE by RJIb8RBYxzAMX9u on Tuesday September 10, 2019 @03:02PM (#20932066)
> (also, I wonder how women get on, since generally they have smaller hands than men.)

PopSockets. In my neck of the woods they are almost as common as phone cases. Some men also use them.

Re:Bring Back the SE by dijit on Tuesday September 10, 2019 @03:08PM (#20932167)
Re:Bring Back the SE by allannienhuis on Tuesday September 10, 2019 @03:39PM (#20932657)
my wife swears by hers - makes it much more comfortable to hold while thumb-scrolling. She's not really one to put her phone in her pocket, though. If it's not in her hand or put down beside her, it's in her purse.
Re:Bring Back the SE by kjeetgill on Tuesday September 10, 2019 @03:14PM (#20932270)
I don't know if you're unfamiliar or not but it flattens out.
Re:Bring Back the SE by irq on Tuesday September 10, 2019 @05:28PM (#20933979)
No it doesn’t. At least, it doesn’t go flat enough that it doesn’t disrupt wireless charging.
Re:Bring Back the SE by kjeetgill on Tuesday September 10, 2019 @08:24PM (#20935351)
Fair, just that in the pictures there it's only shown extended or without perspective.
Re:Bring Back the SE by wyclif on Wednesday September 11, 2019 @07:58PM (#20946081)
PopSocket Rings are huge in SE Asia. My theory on why is because so many women ride tandem on a motorbike and scroll through their phone while riding as a passenger. I see it all the time here in the Philippines.
Re:Bring Back the SE by glandium on Tuesday September 10, 2019 @07:37PM (#20935054)
Re:Bring Back the SE by damontal on Tuesday September 10, 2019 @10:15PM (#20935956)
I use one. I can “hang” the phone between 2 fingers and read with my hand relaxed and not having to grip the phone. I do this on a 5S
Re:Bring Back the SE by itronitron on Tuesday September 10, 2019 @03:23PM (#20932413)
yes, those are also very popular with middle school students as they generally have smaller hands than men
Re:Bring Back the SE by ebiester on Tuesday September 10, 2019 @03:05PM (#20932117)
https://www.uxmatters.com/mt/archives/2013/02/how-do-users-r...

People with smaller hands, regardless of gender, often use two hands. Once you're used to using two hands, there's no reason to have a smaller screen.

Re:Bring Back the SE by saagarjha on Tuesday September 10, 2019 @03:11PM (#20932209)
They use two hands because you give them a phone that's hard to use with one hand. And using two hands is not always an option.
Re:Bring Back the SE by macintux on Tuesday September 10, 2019 @10:34PM (#20936055)
I’ve found every iPhone since the original 3.5” form factor too hard to use with one hand. I simply can’t reach all corners one-handed with anything larger.

I’ve been out of luck since the iPhone 4, so I often go for the largest. Might as well get the best camera and battery life.

Re:Bring Back the SE by baot on Tuesday September 10, 2019 @10:12PM (#20935938)
I type with two thumbs on a phone because I type with two hands on a keyboard. In fact, one hand is tied up on a computer - on a mouse - more often than I can't use one with my phone. It's an acceptable tradeoff.
Re:Bring Back the SE by trixie_ on Tuesday September 10, 2019 @09:26PM (#20935705)
I’m on the beach right now, comfortably reading and replying to this thread with one hand on my SE. The other is shielding my eyes from the sunset.
Re:Bring Back the SE by littlecranky67 on Wednesday September 11, 2019 @05:41AM (#20938090)
That "study" in that article is hilarious. The author observed people in Airports, Subways, Cafes etc. and whenever someone was using a Smartphone, he took notes (so it is more of an observation that a study). This is biased in so many ways.He went to places where people usually have to kill time, and do so with their smartphone. He didn't observe all those people that had a smartphone in their pocket passing by, going for their day. I don't use my smartphone to kill time, and I restrict myself from using it when not necessary. Yes, it is a tool, I need it to check the bus schedule, buy a ticket etc. And thats it, and thats why I would be totally fine with a 5" display.
Re:Bring Back the SE by rsynnott on Tuesday September 10, 2019 @03:07PM (#20932142)
Except, say, using the phone on a crowded bus or train or any of the many other scenarios where it's inconvenient to use two hands.

I've no interest in anything bigger than a 7/8, myself. An XS might be borderline okay.

Re:Bring Back the SE by nightfly on Wednesday September 11, 2019 @04:52AM (#20937850)
Better rigidity is a good reason to have a smaller screen.
Re:Bring Back the SE by vadansky on Tuesday September 10, 2019 @03:41PM (#20932694)
I keep having to ask this every thread, but you know you can double tap the home button and it will bring the screen half way down so you can reach easier. I have no problem using my 8 one handed, and can even use it one handed while biking
Re:Bring Back the SE by expiredtofu on Tuesday September 10, 2019 @03:54PM (#20932907)
I have slightly smaller hands, and holding my old 7 one-handed was a chore - and besides, I don't want to double tap for reachability and disrupt how I'm used to doing things when I'm holding the phone with both hands.

I downgraded to an SE recently and the only thing I miss is the screen size; traded that for headphone jack, smaller form that fits my hand nicely, and a design I like better.

Re:Bring Back the SE by wyclif on Wednesday September 11, 2019 @09:37PM (#20946828)
That sounds good, but how long will the SE receive iOS updates?
Re:Bring Back the SE by whywhywhywhy on Tuesday September 10, 2019 @04:04PM (#20933025)
I always assumed this feature was added so apps that were optimised for the old side wouldn’t require two hands and new ui features like swipe nav would eventually phase it out.

Yet here I am years later still double tapping my home button several times a day

Re:Bring Back the SE by saagarjha on Tuesday September 10, 2019 @04:06PM (#20933042)
> can even use it one handed while biking

Please don't :(

Re:Bring Back the SE by jimbob45 on Tuesday September 10, 2019 @06:40PM (#20934638)
Back in the good days, I could text one-handed blindly while biking thanks to the T9 keyboard system.
Re:Bring Back the SE by chubbyrabbit on Wednesday September 11, 2019 @02:21AM (#20937115)
I use mine two handed while biking.
Re:Bring Back the SE by stjohnswarts on Wednesday September 11, 2019 @01:04PM (#20942325)
Using a phone in hand while biking seems to be a horrible idea unless you're riding on an unpopulated salt flats or something...
Re:Bring Back the SE by cbhl on Tuesday September 10, 2019 @07:10PM (#20934846)
The X, XS, XR, and now 11 don't have a home button. They all rely on Face ID to unlock.
Re:Bring Back the SE by macintux on Tuesday September 10, 2019 @10:36PM (#20936065)
They still have the “reachability” feature, however. It’s a gesture (that I never use intentionally, but I think it’s a swipe down at the bottom of the screen).
Re:Bring Back the SE by cbhl on Wednesday September 11, 2019 @11:49AM (#20941423)
Today I learned it's still available on those devices -- apparently it's hidden behind an option in Settings > General > Accessibility and off by default.
Re:Bring Back the SE by anthonybsd on Tuesday September 10, 2019 @03:34PM (#20932589)
>Oneplus One which is quite old by todays standards; and I distinctly remember it being called a "Phablet" due to it's obtuse stature in comparison to its contemporaries

Wait what? This doesn't make sense. I remember getting OnePlus as well (bought it for a friend in Europe) and the screen size was pretty mainstream at that point. It had 5.46" size. It got released the same year Apple released 6+ which had bigger screen, and in US it doesn't get more mainstream than that. In no particular order a list of other pretty successful smartphones released in 2014:

- Galaxy Note 4 (5.7")

- Google Nexus 6 (6")

- HTC One (M8)(5")

- LG G3 (5.5")

- Droid Turbo (5.2")

Where do you live?

Re:Bring Back the SE by dragonwriter on Tuesday September 10, 2019 @03:38PM (#20932646)
Er, all of your examples except maybe the HTC and the Droid Turbo and the iPhone are labelled Phablets (and Apple only because they seem to be immune to the label); the Galaxy Note series is original phablet line and the OnePlus One was bigger than the contemporary iteration of that line.

Your list reinforces the point you are using it to argue against.

Re:Bring Back the SE by anthonybsd on Tuesday September 10, 2019 @03:57PM (#20932932)
>Galaxy Note series is original phablet line and the OnePlus One was bigger than the contemporary iteration of that line.

No it wasn't, check the specs. My point is at the point when majority of phones were released in "phablet" sizes no one considered them to be odd anymore. 3 years earlier, perhaps but not in 2014. I remember getting zero strange looks walking around with 6 plus.

Re:Bring Back the SE by dijit on Tuesday September 10, 2019 @04:04PM (#20933012)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samsung_Galaxy_Note_series

> The Samsung Galaxy Note series is a series of high-end Android-based _phablets_ and tablets developed and marketed by Samsung Electronics.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OnePlus_One

>Type: _Phablet_

Re:Bring Back the SE by anthonybsd on Tuesday September 10, 2019 @05:38PM (#20934078)
I understand that when OnePlus One was launched it was in the "Phablet" category. My point is I don't recall anyone using that label on mine (or on my IPhone 6+) because larger phones were becoming a lot more mainstream at that point.
Re:Bring Back the SE by dijit on Tuesday September 10, 2019 @06:05PM (#20934333)
Then we're making the same point.

The overton window has shifted so much that things that used to look ridiculous and had to be labelled as a portmanteau look ordinary today.

Re:Bring Back the SE by ukyrgf on Tuesday September 10, 2019 @07:01PM (#20934784)
I had an HTC One M8 and recall the reviews saying it "verged on being a phablet".
Re:Bring Back the SE by paulddraper on Tuesday September 10, 2019 @03:12PM (#20932224)
Android is equally disappointing.

There has never been a successor to the Nexus 4.

Re:Bring Back the SE by jwives on Tuesday September 10, 2019 @06:19PM (#20934451)
I liked the Nexus 4 form factor as well. I've bounced around to larger phones, including the Nexus 6, Pixel and Pixel 2... but I recently went back to a Sony device (XZ1 compact) because it:

(1) Has a headphone jack

(2) Has the same processor as my Pixel 2

(3) Is actually a usable size (roughly the same as the Nexus 4)

I have giant hands and large pockets available but will always prefer a smaller phone.

Re:Bring Back the SE by asfarley on Tuesday September 10, 2019 @07:29PM (#20934999)
Nexus 4 was my favorite phone - beautiful form factor, nice screen, worked well.
Re:Bring Back the SE by bscphil on Tuesday September 10, 2019 @05:03PM (#20933710)
The best phone form factor ever made. I loved my N4.
Re:Bring Back the SE by willmacdonald on Wednesday September 11, 2019 @03:32AM (#20937450)
The best designed Android phone was the Moto X 2013. Perfect design, but a terrible camera.
Re:Bring Back the SE by smush on Tuesday September 10, 2019 @03:55PM (#20932908)
I mean, the Nexus 5 and 5X weren't /that/ much larger than the 4.
Re:Bring Back the SE by paulddraper on Tuesday September 10, 2019 @07:29PM (#20934989)
But they were larger
Re:Bring Back the SE by noisem4ker on Tuesday September 10, 2019 @03:22PM (#20932399)
>there are no compact Android phones either

On Samsung Galaxy S6 and later models, one can tap the home button three times to shrink the screen so that everything can be reached with one thumb. It's called "one-handed mode". I can't say I've used it very often, but when I need it, it's there.

Re:Bring Back the SE by dijit on Tuesday September 10, 2019 @03:25PM (#20932442)
iPhone has this too if you lightly tap on the home button.

For the iPhone X it's also there: https://mashable.com/2017/10/31/how-to-use-iphone-x-reachabi...

Not exactly convenient though.

Re:Bring Back the SE by swiley on Tuesday September 10, 2019 @03:25PM (#20932443)
At this point why not just give people a real overlapping window manager?
Re:Bring Back the SE by jpindar on Tuesday September 10, 2019 @08:44PM (#20935479)
My LG G7 has a two window mode (you can slide the division between the two windows up and down). Also there are now many apps that can run in small floating windows, most notably video players.
Re:Bring Back the SE by CDSlice on Tuesday September 10, 2019 @04:28PM (#20933309)
Samsung does, at least on my S8
Re:Bring Back the SE by noisem4ker on Tuesday September 10, 2019 @04:39PM (#20933441)
S7 too. Maybe earlier models.
Re:Bring Back the SE by saagarjha on Tuesday September 10, 2019 @04:06PM (#20933052)
It wouldn't make much sense on a screen that small.
Re:Bring Back the SE by arvinsim on Tuesday September 10, 2019 @11:38PM (#20936375)
> (also, I wonder how women get on, since generally they have smaller hands than men.)

Women actually have it better since they always have their purses to put their phones on.