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Re:A man who destroyed his multimillion dollar company in 10... by jdietrich on Wednesday August 28, 2019 @02:45PM (#20822727)
Michael O'Leary being incredibly rude is a key part of Ryanair's branding. If you're paying £19 for a two hour flight, you'll always have the sneaking suspicion that the airline is skimping on maintenance. O'Leary makes it absolutely clear that they save money by treating their passengers like cattle. He carefully cultivates the image of a man who utterly despises his own customers, but is far too miserly to allow an aircraft to crash.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_O%27Leary_(businessman...

Re:A man who destroyed his multimillion dollar company in 10... by notahacker on Wednesday August 28, 2019 @04:16PM (#20823578)
More straightforwardly, the reputation for being massive cheapskates gets its target market of people who don't care about airlines at all and just want a good deal knowing who they are and going straight to Ryanair.com to buy tickets when they need to fly.

Which means that (i) they'll lookup the price and be upsold a package on Ryanair.com rather than finding the price and a different hotel deal on some other price comparison site and (ii) they'll still buy tickets from Ryanair.com at non-promotional rates when they're actually not the cheapest airline offering a viable route and time. And of course (iii) he can fill his flights without sharing revenues with online travel agents and other affiliates, though other low cost airlines without the reputation for taking things to extreme lengths manage that.

Although part of it's probably just his style. Not sure there was any strategy to his comments that "I don't care if no-one likes me. I'm not a cloud bunny or an aerosexual. I don't like aeroplanes. I never wanted to be a pilot like those other platoons of goons who populate the airline industry..."

Re:A man who destroyed his multimillion dollar company in 10... by playpause on Thursday August 29, 2019 @02:25AM (#20827148)
I agree it’s all marketing for people who feel they can barely afford to fly (but need to fly anyway), and who don’t use/trust comparison sites (middlemen).

I wonder if the aggressive upselling during the booking flow is part of this marketing too. If you really want the cheapest possible flight you will carefully decline all upsells and double-check the final bill for surcharges. This makes you feel you’ve shrewdly whittled the price down as far as possible.

Another way of looking at it is it just wears the customer down. If the booking flow were too smooth and didn’t include many points where the customer is forced to decline added luxuries, then you might be more likely to pause before confirming the transaction, and maybe open EasyJet’s site for a quick price comparison.

Re:A man who destroyed his multimillion dollar company in 10... by hkmurakami on Wednesday August 28, 2019 @04:44PM (#20823798)
(ii) and (iii) evokes parallels to amazon.
Re:A man who destroyed his multimillion dollar company in 10... by Angostura on Wednesday August 28, 2019 @04:22PM (#20823627)
I used to use Ryanair... until I found out how they treated wheelchair users. I'm happy for myself to be treated like a piece of meat. Not other, more vulnerable users. Screw Ryanair.
Re:A man who destroyed his multimillion dollar company in 10... by dhyft on Wednesday August 28, 2019 @05:22PM (#20824108)
They already know the deal when they buy.
Re:A man who destroyed his multimillion dollar company in 10... by slau on Thursday August 29, 2019 @08:14AM (#20828772)
When people die from the way they let people wait, you tend to have a different vision of the whole thing than “you get what you pay for”.

When you entrust care of people you love to a company, you tend to expect more than capitalism tuned to the extreme.

And before you ask, yes, that’s exactly what happened to a family member of mine. “Wheelchair assistance” never showed up.

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Re:A man who destroyed his multimillion dollar company in 10... by NeedMoreTea on Wednesday August 28, 2019 @10:22PM (#20826114)
All caps for emphasis are against the HN guidelines.

What about the one incident in 2004 when they had to be taken to the High Court, on behalf of hundreds or thousands, to provide the legally required wheelchair transfers? Or the one incident where the disabled lad was left behind a day? Or the many one incidents disabled users have reported of being dropped from Ryanair flights because the airline couldn't be arsed to spend the time? Or the many single incidents of wheelchair users reporting that despite the UK and Irish court rulings Ryanair weren't allowing access to the wheelchair at the destination airports?

I've never heard of the incident you mention btw, but the thousands of reports are plenty to give me a view of Ryanair were I ever to end up disabled.

Re:A man who destroyed his multimillion dollar company in 10... by juped on Wednesday August 28, 2019 @05:44PM (#20824306)
Can you provide details? It seems likely that this incident was overblown in the press but I'd like to know more.
Re:A man who destroyed his multimillion dollar company in 10... by lopmotr on Wednesday August 28, 2019 @10:12PM (#20826065)
What are wheelchair users vulnerable to besides physical assault? They can still travel just as readily as able-bodied people in planes, cars, trains, boats, etc. Neither can simply walk across the sea to another country.
Re:A man who destroyed his multimillion dollar company in 10... by tim333 on Wednesday August 28, 2019 @04:25PM (#20823656)
As an occasional Ryanair user they don't really treat you like cattle and he doesn't seem to despise his customers though if certain ones piss him off he won't necessarily cover that up. People are so snobby about it - I'd never fly a cheap service with cheap people - I'm better than that kind of vibe. Ryanair is run kind of like a bus service really - pay modest money and they ship you from A to B.
Re:A man who destroyed his multimillion dollar company in 10... by sersi on Wednesday August 28, 2019 @09:53PM (#20825978)
I flew only once with Ryan air, my experience was that I was forced to pay 80 gbp because I hadn't checked in online (when no other airlines force you to do that) and they had us all wait on the tarmac under the rain for 45 minutes before boarding. Plus seats were really cramped.

So, no not worth it for the slight difference of price they offer.

Re:A man who destroyed his multimillion dollar company in 10... by megaremote on Wednesday August 28, 2019 @10:07PM (#20826038)
You wanted to play the game, but didn't care to lookup the rules.
Re:A man who destroyed his multimillion dollar company in 10... by sersi on Wednesday August 28, 2019 @10:46PM (#20826237)
Well, I didn't have a choice back then to fly ryanair, they were the only flight that flew from where I was to my destination. I just assumed that they followed the same rules as every single other airlines I had ever flown.
Re:A man who destroyed his multimillion dollar company in 10... by sean-duffy on Thursday August 29, 2019 @10:21AM (#20829718)
Ryanair make their own rules, other budget airlines have started to follow them now too. As a precaution I never fly without checking in online before reaching the airport.
Re:A man who destroyed his multimillion dollar company in 10... by tim333 on Thursday August 29, 2019 @02:53PM (#20832478)
They can be a bit crap like that but I think I've been stung by a similar fee (luggage small print) about once in 50 flights so it still works out cheaper than most rivals. Choosing to delay your return by a day is also often expensive.
Re:A man who destroyed his multimillion dollar company in 10... by sprafa on Wednesday August 28, 2019 @05:24PM (#20824114)
Pretty much. They don’t even disguise it - their whole marketing is “if you want to fly cheap fly Ryanair” that’s it.
Re:A man who destroyed his multimillion dollar company in 10... by ant6n on Wednesday August 28, 2019 @08:39PM (#20825578)
I've never had a bus service as bad as Ryanair. You get WiFi, and it's usually to & from downtown, it is cramped but reasonable, and the customer/business relationship usually dies not feel adversarial.
Re:A man who destroyed his multimillion dollar company in 10... by tigershark on Thursday August 29, 2019 @04:47AM (#20827836)
So are you expecting WiFi in every single airline that you fly?
Re:A man who destroyed his multimillion dollar company in 10... by alexhutcheson on Wednesday August 28, 2019 @10:08PM (#20826045)
Come to the US and ride a Greyhound then.
Re:A man who destroyed his multimillion dollar company in 10... by ant6n on Wednesday August 28, 2019 @11:52PM (#20826522)
That's a bit presumptious, isn't it. Half my experience is on Greyhound, and a couple of years ago they started using a new bus fleet with more legroom, wifi, leather-ish seats, plugs at all seats.
Re:A man who destroyed his multimillion dollar company in 10... by rwmurrayVT on Thursday August 29, 2019 @12:05PM (#20830709)
I took a greyhound back from prison. We broke down in Cumberland, MD and I spent 8 hours on the side of the interstate. The guy I was with said he takes the route 3x a week and it has happened to him 6 times in the last year. No WiFi but we did have plugs.

I rode the Pittsburgh to Washington D.C./Baltimore route on May 20th 2019.

Re:A man who destroyed his multimillion dollar company in 10... by alexhutcheson on Thursday August 29, 2019 @07:49AM (#20828623)
Sorry I meant it jokingly. Last time I rode them (which was admittedly some time ago) their operational practices were still a complete mess. If they’ve improved that’s nice.
Re:A man who destroyed his multimillion dollar company in 10... by vmurthy on Thursday August 29, 2019 @03:11AM (#20827395)
There's a wonderful book out there called "Different" by Professor Youngme Moon [1] which details a few cases like what you said. Her book is about how companies can be different

One case that comes to mind is Ikea with this DIY approach. Is it the most convenient way to buy furniture? Not really given the work you need to do. Prof Moon argues that this paradoxically creates a stickiness to the brand because you have invested something (time and effort).

Another one is the "In-n-out" burger joint(Forgive me if I have gotten the name wrong). Apparently, it takes a full 15-20 minutes to get a burger here but it is thriving in-spite of this difficulty because people know they're not getting some frozen processed food.

[1]https://www.amazon.in/Different-Escaping-Competitive-Youngme...

Re:A man who destroyed his multimillion dollar company in 10... by fortran77 on Wednesday August 28, 2019 @03:04PM (#20822915)
I agree. Fellow "cheapskates" who just want to get from Dublin to Edinburgh on a cheap flight probably admire his thrift.
Re:A man who destroyed his multimillion dollar company in 10... by smcl on Wednesday August 28, 2019 @05:48PM (#20824366)
No, Ryanair passengers don’t admire anything about Michael O’Leary. They pay the fare (and the surcharges, and the charge to pay by card) and then tolerate the journey.

No passenger thinks he’s a lovable scamp or a shrewd businessman. They just buy the fare they can afford and justify, if it happens to be Ryanair then ... grin and bear it.

Re:A man who destroyed his multimillion dollar company in 10... by pbhjpbhj on Wednesday August 28, 2019 @09:11PM (#20825747)
Didn't think they were allowed to charge extra to pay by card in the EU anymore?
Re:A man who destroyed his multimillion dollar company in 10... by isostatic on Wednesday August 28, 2019 @03:31PM (#20823192)
Such cheap flights are possible because the airlines aren’t paying the externalities they cause.

Ryanair don’t fly to London btw. Or Brussels.

Re:A man who destroyed his multimillion dollar company in 10... by jdietrich on Wednesday August 28, 2019 @03:50PM (#20823414)
They don't serve that route, but they do fly from three airports in London (Gatwick, Stansted and Luton) and from Brussels.

https://www.ryanair.com/gb/en/cheap-flight-destinations

Re:A man who destroyed his multimillion dollar company in 10... by 7952 on Wednesday August 28, 2019 @04:00PM (#20823495)
None of those airports are actually in London.
Re:A man who destroyed his multimillion dollar company in 10... by sprafa on Wednesday August 28, 2019 @05:20PM (#20824090)
Lol wtf? Only one airport is “in” london and that’s London City. Which is an expensive thing mostly made for bankers to go to Frankfurt etc. I assure you all those airports serve London. I live here
Re:A man who destroyed his multimillion dollar company in 10... by 7952 on Thursday August 29, 2019 @02:57AM (#20827323)
Yeah, I know it's just semantics.

I have wasted too much of my time in delayed trains trying to get into London to believe that.

And based on travel times you could add some other airports to that list of London Airports. Southampton Airport is faster to get to than Stansted or Luton for a lot of Londoners. And with HS2 BHX could probably change its name too.

Re:A man who destroyed his multimillion dollar company in 10... by sprafa on Thursday August 29, 2019 @10:59AM (#20830078)
I’ve never had a Stansted Express be late more than 10 min, and I live in east london so it’s super fast to get to Liverpool St. I suppose your travel time varies a lot.
Re:A man who destroyed his multimillion dollar company in 10... by tcharlton on Thursday August 29, 2019 @03:39AM (#20827532)
London Ashford is closer to France. I wonder if the airport would close if the CEO admitted that...
Re:A man who destroyed his multimillion dollar company in 10... by sprafa on Thursday August 29, 2019 @10:59AM (#20830080)
I had no idea there was such a thing!
Re:A man who destroyed his multimillion dollar company in 10... by dantheman on Wednesday August 28, 2019 @03:49PM (#20823396)
What externalities are they not paying for that other airlines are? Or is this a complain against all airlines?
Re:A man who destroyed his multimillion dollar company in 10... by ArnoVW on Wednesday August 28, 2019 @04:16PM (#20823585)
Well, the issues I'm aware of: Ryanair pay their staff poorly. And that is not cheap enough, so they also employ them under employment law from "cheap countries", to try and circumvent income taxes and other charges of the local countries they service.

Ryanair demand subsidies from local governments to fly to far-flung airports. They can hold these governments hostage, as often the airports fail if they stop their service. Of course, this could be seen as simply "bad management" by our local governments.

And to finish, though this is something that applies to all airlines : no VAT or "eco" tax, that the rest of us have to pay.

Re:A man who destroyed his multimillion dollar company in 10... by refurb on Wednesday August 28, 2019 @04:21PM (#20823616)
People seem to be using the economic word “externalities” as “things I don’t like”.
Re:A man who destroyed his multimillion dollar company in 10... by epylar on Wednesday August 28, 2019 @05:05PM (#20823969)
That is what externality means -- "a side effect or consequence of an industrial or commercial activity that affects other parties without this being reflected in the cost of the goods or services involved." (unless this person is affecting the cost somehow as a result of this dislike)

In a sense, economics is entirely about what people like and dislike.

Re:A man who destroyed his multimillion dollar company in 10... by nameismypw on Wednesday August 28, 2019 @06:10PM (#20824558)
No, an externality is an impact you create that isn't a part of your business model. It can be positive or negative. Most of the time people talk about negative externalities these days, especially with airlines, they're talking about profiting from climate change. (Although I don't know that Ryanair is worse than anyone else.)
Re:A man who destroyed his multimillion dollar company in 10... by fuzz4lyfe on Wednesday August 28, 2019 @06:32PM (#20824740)
So if we priced airlines in regards to all of their externalities, they would have to pay for climate change but would get a portion of the all revenue derived by business trips (ie. the time saved traveling by air compared to other modes of transport and what the employees traveling would have been able to produce during that time). I wonder if they would end up better off under that system.
Re:A man who destroyed his multimillion dollar company in 10... by dabbledash on Thursday August 29, 2019 @12:26AM (#20826677)
They’re already capturing those benefits - they are among the reasons customers buy tickets and thus contribute to the price.

I’m sure positive externalities are a thing, but direct benefits to one party in a transaction aren’t externalities.

Re:A man who destroyed his multimillion dollar company in 10... by fuzz4lyfe on Thursday August 29, 2019 @02:47PM (#20832437)
In the same sense the climate change effects are also priced in as most people in the west use air travel or add enough carbon via other means to have to be personally responsible for any ill effects.
Re:A man who destroyed his multimillion dollar company in 10... by refurb on Wednesday August 28, 2019 @07:09PM (#20824994)
In the OPs example, hiring low wage labor, is in fact reflected in the price.
Re:A man who destroyed his multimillion dollar company in 10... by smeyer on Wednesday August 28, 2019 @04:55PM (#20823878)
Can you explain more about how Ryanair refusing to fly to far-flung airports without a subsidy is an externality?
Re:A man who destroyed his multimillion dollar company in 10... by ArnoVW on Wednesday August 28, 2019 @05:56PM (#20824437)
Someone else is paying for something they are using. Better still:they're getting paid to use it.

Of course, nobody is twisting the arm of these politicians. But the fact remains that Ryanair is exploiting this weakness to avoid paying themselves.

Type "Ryanair airport subsidies" in google and have a look at the first couple of titles. It's a mess that has been going on for 10 years now and is only now slowly being called a halt to.

https://www.transportenvironment.org/press/24-ryanair-airpor...

Re:A man who destroyed his multimillion dollar company in 10... by avip on Wednesday August 28, 2019 @04:09PM (#20823543)
He’s provably referring to ghg emissions, and sure no one pays that (it’s also not something we can conceivably pay for)
Re:A man who destroyed his multimillion dollar company in 10... by isostatic on Wednesday August 28, 2019 @04:21PM (#20823618)
Quite possible for Europe to charge landing fees based on ghg emissions for all planes arriving/departing.
Re:A man who destroyed his multimillion dollar company in 10... by benatkin on Wednesday August 28, 2019 @04:51PM (#20823839)
That would be great. I think if they were being aggressive enough, there would probably be less demand for airport expansion, because there would be fewer flights. I don't currently see any way to curtail the carbon from the airline industry that wouldn't involve raising the price so drastically that people would fly less often.
Re:A man who destroyed his multimillion dollar company in 10... by avip on Wednesday August 28, 2019 @04:24PM (#20823644)
I’m all for charging fees (especially when the chargee is not me), but fees don’t put CO2 back in the ground.
Re:A man who destroyed his multimillion dollar company in 10... by isostatic on Wednesday August 28, 2019 @04:30PM (#20823695)
The point is they act as a deterrent. The money raised can be used to mitigate the effects of the emissions.
Re:A man who destroyed his multimillion dollar company in 10... by zaphod4prez on Wednesday August 28, 2019 @04:37PM (#20823744)
Cap and trade does in fact make it so that polluters pay for ghg emissions. Why do you say that we can't "conceivably pay for"?
Re:A man who destroyed his multimillion dollar company in 10... by georgiecasey on Wednesday August 28, 2019 @04:15PM (#20823575)
if you're saying stansted and gatwick aren't really in london, then neither is heathrow. it's a small list of airlines that fly to/from london city airport
Re:A man who destroyed his multimillion dollar company in 10... by isostatic on Wednesday August 28, 2019 @04:17PM (#20823586)
Heathrow is in the London borough of Hillingdon, in TFL zone 6 on the underground, and served by London buses 24/7
Re:A man who destroyed his multimillion dollar company in 10... by sprafa on Wednesday August 28, 2019 @05:23PM (#20824110)
You’re having a laugh. Living in east london I can get to Stansted far faster than Heathrow or Gatwick.
Re:A man who destroyed his multimillion dollar company in 10... by sprafa on Wednesday August 28, 2019 @05:19PM (#20824075)
They don’t fly to london? I live in London and I fly Ryanair from london Stansted all the time
Re:A man who destroyed his multimillion dollar company in 10... by andrepd on Wednesday August 28, 2019 @03:47PM (#20823378)
They do, to Stanstead and Luton.
Re:A man who destroyed his multimillion dollar company in 10... by crispyporkbites on Wednesday August 28, 2019 @03:54PM (#20823450)
Stanstead and Luton are 30-40 miles from London
Re:A man who destroyed his multimillion dollar company in 10... by fyfy18 on Wednesday August 28, 2019 @04:34PM (#20823720)
They are less than 1 hour by train, which is about the same as to Heathrow from Oxford Circus. In terms of passenger numbers they are the 4th (STN) and 5th (LTN) busiest airports in the UK, and 22nd and 35th in Europe.
Re:A man who destroyed his multimillion dollar company in 10... by sprafa on Wednesday August 28, 2019 @05:22PM (#20824098)
You have no idea what you’re talking about and you’re embarrassing yourself. Going to those airports is piss easy and they are 2 of the 4 airports that serve this city.
Re:A man who destroyed his multimillion dollar company in 10... by andrepd on Wednesday August 28, 2019 @04:04PM (#20823514)
They're 45m-1h by train from Central London.
Re:A man who destroyed his multimillion dollar company in 10... by isostatic on Wednesday August 28, 2019 @04:25PM (#20823653)
Birmingham airport is 1h06 from Central London

Brussels itself is only 1h54 from central London!

Re:A man who destroyed his multimillion dollar company in 10... by scarejunba on Wednesday August 28, 2019 @05:04PM (#20823960)
Okay, yeah, but if you were in London, you were flying out of Heathrow, Gatwick, Stansted, or rarely London City. It took longer for me to get from Tower Bridge to Heathrow than to Gatwick. I don't fly Ryan Air, though. Abhor the air line, but they let my parents take me to Europe when I was younger so there's that.

And that distance stuff is normal, because on the longer distances you're going on high-speed trains. If you were a Millwall (a London team) fan who lived just south of The Den and by some divine chance you were to play Arsenal (another London team) at The Emirates (god forbid), it'd take you just as long by transit to get there as it would take someone who's commuting from Market Harborough (80 miles North) to St. Pancras (London's big international rail terminus). But it's laughable to claim that Market Harborough is part of London or that either of the Emirates and the Den are not.

Re:A man who destroyed his multimillion dollar company in 10... by peteretep on Wednesday August 28, 2019 @07:17PM (#20825040)
> Ryanair don’t fly to London btw

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Airports_of_London

Re:A man who destroyed his multimillion dollar company in 10... by mytailorisrich on Wednesday August 28, 2019 @04:54PM (#20823870)
And they probably swear more than he does.
Re:A man who destroyed his multimillion dollar company in 10... by downandout on Wednesday August 28, 2019 @03:06PM (#20822935)
He carefully cultivates the image of a man who utterly despises his own customers, but is far too miserly to allow an aircraft to crash.

That image will keep them going right up until they have a fatal crash, at which point the press, the government, and victims’ attorneys will use every word he has ever said about being cheap to crucify him and the company. Given their volume of flights, a fatal crash is statistically likely to happen at some point. I would be very careful ever making such statements if I were in such an industry.

Re:A man who destroyed his multimillion dollar company in 10... by blackflame7000 on Wednesday August 28, 2019 @03:23PM (#20823107)
They've never had a major crash in almost 35 years. Other budget airlines with few customer perks like southwest have survived crashes with a less stellar safety record.
Re:A man who destroyed his multimillion dollar company in 10... by hodgesrm on Wednesday August 28, 2019 @03:54PM (#20823447)
Which Southwest crashes are you thinking about? They have never lost a passenger in a crash, though one person on the ground was killed in Chicago. There have been two accidental passenger deaths. One was due to engine failure, not a crash, and the other was a passenger who tried to get into the cockpit and died after being restrained.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southwest_Airlines#Accidents_a...

Re:A man who destroyed his multimillion dollar company in 10... by blackflame7000 on Wednesday August 28, 2019 @09:21PM (#20825813)
Admittedly I thought they had more than they do because of all the hoopla about 737s. I guess the one recent incident that comes to mind is the broken fan blade incident that killed a passenger. That could easily be attributed to lack of maintenance but it blew over relatively fast. However, the heroics of the captain created a different story.
Re:A man who destroyed his multimillion dollar company in 10... by andyburke on Wednesday August 28, 2019 @04:15PM (#20823577)
^^ this.

Southwest has one of the best, if not the best, safety records of all major air carriers.

Re:A man who destroyed his multimillion dollar company in 10... by Symbiote on Wednesday August 28, 2019 @04:42PM (#20823778)
The point is that Ryanair is the best.

They are smaller than Southwest on most (not all) metrics, but in the same ballpark.

Their only accident is a bird strike causing 8 minor injuries.

Re:A man who destroyed his multimillion dollar company in 10... by perl4ever on Wednesday August 28, 2019 @09:30PM (#20825867)
How can you say an airline that is 35 years old is clearly better than one that is 52 years old based on total anything?
Re:A man who destroyed his multimillion dollar company in 10... by downandout on Wednesday August 28, 2019 @03:48PM (#20823383)
Other budget airlines with few customer perks like southwest have survived crashes with a less stellar safety record.

True, but Southwest does not have a CEO that openly flaunts their being cheap either.

They've never had a major crash in almost 35 years.

I once won 15 hands of blackjack in a row, but then I lost a hand. Even the most expensive airlines eventually have fatal incidents, and it would be statistically improbable for Ryanair to not eventually have one as well. They may have an amazing safety record and stellar maintenance program, but the nature of flight is such that it is likely to eventually happen (perhaps through no fault of their own) if they are in business long enough. Whether “cheapness” will actually be a factor in that incident or not, people will take his prior statements and run with them.

All I was saying is that making such statements in a high-risk industry is not a fantastic idea, as those words may come back to bite him.

Re:A man who destroyed his multimillion dollar company in 10... by sprafa on Wednesday August 28, 2019 @05:26PM (#20824143)
You’re making no sense. You’re saying Ryanair has an impeccable safety record, but so does every other airline, but when Ryanair gets a crash, people will assume it’s because it’s cheap?

So your entire argument is people are dumb and they will make unwarranted associations. Brilliant

Re:A man who destroyed his multimillion dollar company in 10... by downandout on Wednesday August 28, 2019 @05:57PM (#20824441)
I didn’t say they have an impeccable safety record. I said that even if they did have one at the time of whatever fatal incident they have in the future, they are engaged in a business where they are statistically likely to eventually have a crash.

My argument is that it is idiotic for a CEO in such an industry to make comments about being cheap. It leaves the door open for people to place blame when an accident occurs. It’s like talking to the police if they want to interrogate you. It can’t help, but it can hurt. Why would you risk it?

Re:A man who destroyed his multimillion dollar company in 10... by isostatic on Wednesday August 28, 2019 @03:38PM (#20823279)
I would never dream of thinking Ryanair skimps one aircraft maintenance. I’d be concerned by their cabin crew performance given the conditions they work in though.
Re:A man who destroyed his multimillion dollar company in 10... by sprafa on Wednesday August 28, 2019 @05:27PM (#20824150)
I think their fleet is quite new as well, and they keep it that way, for fuel efficiency.

The guy is doing a cheap airline, not an unsafe one. He’s not a madman. He’s a ruthless business guy, and he knows a crash due to poor maintenance would end his business.

Re:A man who destroyed his multimillion dollar company in 10... by lonelappde on Wednesday August 28, 2019 @03:48PM (#20823382)
He's never said his planes are unsafe.
Re:A man who destroyed his multimillion dollar company in 10... by sprafa on Wednesday August 28, 2019 @05:25PM (#20824120)
Why would Ryanair ever have a crash? Their airplanes are usually quite new. The EU hasn’t had an accidental plane crash in ages. Have you ever flown Ryanair?
Re:A man who destroyed his multimillion dollar company in 10... by smcl on Wednesday August 28, 2019 @05:54PM (#20824421)
Hang on, the EU has had heaps from small (the Piper that went down over the Alps yesterday and the plane carrying Emiliano Sala come to mind) to large (Air France 447).
Re:A man who destroyed his multimillion dollar company in 10... by sprafa on Thursday August 29, 2019 @01:03AM (#20826829)
I meant large passenger planes. And I meant accidental crashes within the EU territory not extraterritorial. I believe the safety record is pretty good, but can’t tell you it’s perfect
Re:A man who destroyed his multimillion dollar company in 10... by downandout on Thursday August 29, 2019 @02:26AM (#20827151)
Why would Ryanair ever have a crash?

Because they hurl large, heavy, metal objects with people on them into the sky at hundreds of miles per hour, thousands of times per day. Historically, that activity has resulted in some small percentage of those flights not coming down safely. The math says that it is quite likely to happen over the course of enough flights.

Re:A man who destroyed his multimillion dollar company in 10... by jen20 on Wednesday August 28, 2019 @06:16PM (#20824621)
Both Boeing 737 Max planes which recently crashed were also almost brand new.

I have flown Ryanair a few times, I’d rather not go than take them today though.

Re:A man who destroyed his multimillion dollar company in 10... by tjmc on Wednesday August 28, 2019 @10:58PM (#20826293)
> Given their volume of flights, a fatal crash is statistically likely to happen at some point.

Has Ryanair flown more flights than all the domestic and international commercial jet flights in Australian history? Because there has never been a crash of a commercial jet here despite several near misses.

Safety culture and training has more of a bearing than statistics.

Re:A man who destroyed his multimillion dollar company in 10... by tgsovlerkhgsel on Wednesday August 28, 2019 @05:17PM (#20824057)
TIL. I remember seeing incredibly rudely worded Ryanair signs at an airport. That was the final straw to make me not consider the airline for future flights. I am fine with cost-cutting, but rudeness does not save money.

Ironically, I was extremely happy with everything after baggage drop-off. The flight itself was no worse than any other airline, in my eyes (I don't consider ads to meaningfully worsen a flight). The airport (Hahn, serving almost only Ryanair back then) was amazing, with super-friendly airport (not airline!) staff and short walking distances.

But their atrocious web site (AFAIK checking in required you to concatenate two random values and enter them in one form field, in the one working flow out of the 3-4 that were offered) and their outright, aggressive rudeness left a much stronger permanent impression than the (probably low) price, the two-hour bus ride to the middle-of-nowhere airport, or the flight itself.

Re:A man who destroyed his multimillion dollar company in 10... by Scown on Wednesday August 28, 2019 @08:21PM (#20825478)
This isn't really the case anymore. Can't remember when but he was thoroughly reined in a little while ago. All the shock troll PR about standing seats and paid toilets worked for a while til it didn't. They're just a cheap, no-frills airline now.
Re:A man who destroyed his multimillion dollar company in 10... by st1ck on Thursday August 29, 2019 @03:43PM (#20832900)
Ryanair goes quite farther than just no-frills. They are actively preying on unprepared travellers for additional charges: 48-hour online check-in window, seats allocated in a way that you don't sit together with your partner/family, non-EU citizens must _print_ boarding passes event if airport and other LCCs don't require this.