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Re:I Miss Microsoft Encarta by echelon on Monday August 19, 2019 @02:57PM (#20740658)
> a door to door encyclopedia salesmen came to our house

That's an alien relic of an anecdote as there ever was.

The world has profoundly changed in the last twenty five years. Cheap, ubiquitous, networked computing has almost completely rewired society and changed business, jobs, dating, friendship, travel.

I really wonder what the next big changes will be. Cheap satellites in orbit and dramatically reduced LEO costs? Better battery tech? Advances in materials science? Human cloning and genetic modification? What modern trappings of the present time will feel used and dated in twenty years?

Re:I Miss Microsoft Encarta by kragen on Monday August 19, 2019 @05:06PM (#20741828)
I think this may be a bit of an exaggeration. It's true that people socialize more in the subway than they used to, now that they can send WhatsApp audio messages to their friends instead of reading a novel. But the grocery store half a block away still sells food in much the same way they did in 1994. Bigots still yell at me on the street to go back to my own country. Most of the workforce is still employed rather than gigging, financially independent, consulting, or riding the purple wage. International money transfers still take a significant percentage, unless you use Bitcoin, which most people still don't accept. Elections are still being won by polarizing populists who promise paradise and then pick your pockets; here in Argentina, Cristina Fernández de Kirchner even kept the records of her illegal wiretaps in paper form in the secret vault under her house, facilitating access to them against her will by the police. (And that didn't stop her from getting re-elected last week; her opponent also has a history of illegal wiretaps.)

You'd think that universal access to all human knowledge would have remade society, but actually most of the humans don't really seem to care about knowledge. We got the Arab Spring, which turned into Daesh, the Syrian Civil War, and a new military dictatorship in Egypt. (And we got anti-vaxxers, global warming denialists, and "jet fuel can't melt steel beams.") Wikileaks didn't really move the needle on Obama's re-election. If cheap, ubiquitous, networked computing is rewiring the power structures of society, that's more because of Russian trolls and Twitter bots than anything else.

Probably the changes you're talking about will come. But I'm not convinced that it's a revolution that cute girls on the bus give me their Instagram instead of their phone number.

(See https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=20741592 for my thoughts on other, more positive possibilities of modern informatics.)

Re:I Miss Microsoft Encarta by tern on Monday August 19, 2019 @11:04PM (#20743501)
For the ~95th–99th percentile wealth class, the world has changed considerably. For instance, I can travel anywhere in the world and find a place to stay within an hour, and do so frequently. As a business owner, I can find an international market for my product in a matter of months. I can get anywhere I need to without owning a car. I can maintain a high salary while living in a remote location, of traveling.

For the majority of people, however, things have changed little.

Re:I Miss Microsoft Encarta by saagarjha on Tuesday August 20, 2019 @02:42AM (#20744369)
> I can travel anywhere in the world and find a place to stay within an hour, and do so frequently

Could you not do this before? Just book a plane ticket at the airline desk and ask for an empty room once you arrive at a hotel?

Re:I Miss Microsoft Encarta by kragen on Tuesday August 20, 2019 @08:18AM (#20746031)
Yeah, I thought about saying that, but then I realized maybe the dude is talking about rural Tajikistan or something where there were and are no hotels, and I didn't want to be argumentative. (I imagine in rural Tajikistan random people would be delighted to offer you their hospitality, though.) I did travel around Costa Rica in 2003, and I never needed more than an hour to find a place to stay on arriving in a new town, even though internet access was scarce. So I'm not sure what the guy is talking about there.

The other things he said are mostly true. Here in Buenos Aires I've never owned a car, but that has more to do with being a huge megalopolis than anything else.

Re:I Miss Microsoft Encarta by DrAwdeOccarim on Tuesday August 20, 2019 @06:32AM (#20745346)
...yea. Weird. But now once you get their you can video conference call with a loved one for cheap, which in a sense takes some of the magic out of traveling as you're never really that much farther away than if you had gone to the grocery store.
Re:I Miss Microsoft Encarta by saiya-jin on Tuesday August 20, 2019 @07:23AM (#20745635)
You can always leave the phone at home, or simply turn it off till some emergency comes and then immediately turn it off again.

It might sound pretty awkward these days of pathetic instagram 'celebrities', but actually makes things like backpacking in the middle of nowhere much, much better experience. The magic is still out there

Re:I Miss Microsoft Encarta by vonseel on Tuesday August 20, 2019 @03:02AM (#20744457)
I don’t know, I’d say for the majority of people who aren’t so narrowly focused on conspiracy theories and political power struggles, life looks way different than it did 30 years ago.

Even in poor countries Facebook and cheap instant communication like WhatsApp have rewired the way people socialize and stay in touch.

This is mostly a response to the commenter before you, except your last sentence.

Re:I Miss Microsoft Encarta by kragen on Tuesday August 20, 2019 @08:22AM (#20746072)
Well, I did mention people socializing via WhatsApp and Instagram. I think we just differ on what counts as “narrow” versus wide focus.
Re:I Miss Microsoft Encarta by simonh on Tuesday August 20, 2019 @10:37AM (#20747466)
Life for ordinary Britons has changed enormously in my lifetime. In my youth it was unusual for someone to holiday abroad, now it's routine.

A budget flight to the continent and a week in an AirBnB in Europe can cost as little as a few hundred quid. Something that was only really available to the rich, or at least the very well off, is now available to almost anyone.

Re:I Miss Microsoft Encarta by kragen on Tuesday August 20, 2019 @11:12AM (#20747852)
Ordinary Britons may not be in the 95th to 99th percentile wealth class, but they're in the 90th to 99th percentile. But I don't think that what you're talking about is a question of technology, much less of the internet — it's a matter of deregulation and political alignment, something that is coming to an end with Brexit. Aviation technology advanced in leaps and bounds from the 1890s to the 1960s and has only improved incrementally since 1970. (And of course we no longer have Concorde at any price.)
Re:I Miss Microsoft Encarta by simonh on Tuesday August 20, 2019 @12:46PM (#20749045)
If we're talking outside the western world, things have changed far more dramatically. Across the developing world, hundreds of millions of people have risen out of abject poverty. My wife grew up in China, in a house her father built from a pile of bricks provided by his employer. She helped make their floor tiles, and this was in an industrial city. China's a different world now, and while they are the poster child, this trend isn't isolated to them. The chart linked below is astounding.

https://rwer.wordpress.com/2018/04/22/global-income-distribu...

Re:I Miss Microsoft Encarta by kragen on Tuesday August 20, 2019 @01:58PM (#20749891)
Is this because of the internet?
Re:I Miss Microsoft Encarta by riffraff on Monday August 19, 2019 @06:56PM (#20742521)
> International money transfers still take a significant percentage

Some do, but I can get dollars from the US into most European currencies for less than .5%.

We've come a long way from the '90s.

Re:I Miss Microsoft Encarta by kragen on Monday August 19, 2019 @07:11PM (#20742583)
Oh, that's a good point — also it's a lot easier to convert Italian currency to French, German, or Dutch currency now, since they're all the same currency. I think that may be more a question of what the current political alignment is rather than the internet rewiring world society, though.
Re:I Miss Microsoft Encarta by ribalda on Tuesday August 20, 2019 @03:59AM (#20744722)
May I ask what platform do you use?
Re:I Miss Microsoft Encarta by riffraff on Tuesday August 20, 2019 @08:33AM (#20746165)
I use transferwise' borderless account, I believe their fee varies, but I am sure I used TW to transfer less than $10K to EUR for a fee of 0.38%. It now says[0] it's $4.48 to convert 1000$. Changing $1000 to HUF has $4.98 in fees. Both were lower a couple months ago.

Revolut will also allow you to move 5K GBP per month without any fees[1].

[0] https://transferwise.com/gb/borderless/pricing#conversion_fe... [1] https://www.revolut.com/legal/fees/#exchange

Re:I Miss Microsoft Encarta by Liquid_Fire on Tuesday August 20, 2019 @04:39AM (#20744879)
(Not OP) TransferWise tends to have a pretty good rate (usually sub 1%), though you would have to transfer a considerable amount of money in one go to get it down to 0.5%.
Re:I Miss Microsoft Encarta by AJ007 on Monday August 19, 2019 @03:34PM (#20741011)
In Encarta’s case, cheap, high density storage mediums were passed by something that already existed and had existed for quite some time before, the internet. In other regards maybe the storage medium was just a side detail and the important part was what could be done with that data thanks to faster computers.

There might be some parallels here today with machine learning. Neal Stephenson's quote about the future already being here but not being evenly distributed seems appropriate.

Re:I Miss Microsoft Encarta by dredmorbius on Monday August 19, 2019 @05:01PM (#20741795)
As Encarta was being developed (~1991 per another comment here), the Internet was still highly nascent. I was at uni during this period, and a major bragging right of the campus I was on was dedicated high-speed network connections to other schools within the university system ... over 56K leased lines. Those were shared amongst the 100k+ student, faculty, and staff population (though a very small fraction of those used it).

The takeaways I get of this:

1. Exponentially-developing technology can pass you by quickly. The Internet went from exceedingly obscure to global in the ten years of the 1990s. Broadband wasn't ubiquitous by 1999, but it was increasingly available.

2. Standards matter. Even constructing a workstation that could handle reading Encarta was a challenge, and the tools to compose, render, and especially, present multimedia content (images, audio, video) were not common. Microsoft went the closed-source proprietary route, dooming them to the dustbin (though pieces were salvaged).

3. Standards are hard. Re-read above.

4. There are thresholds of utility that make or break things. I've been around infotech long enough (somewhat pre-dating the periods discussed here) that I've seen numerous technologies go from extreme cutting edge to widely adopted to passe. (And quite a few proposed but never gaining critical mass.) The reasons why any given tech fails right now are numerous. Luck plays a major role.

The present has exceptionally cheap bulk storage (my tablet has a 128GB removable microSD card for about $50), high-speed, ubiquitous, and wireless networking, and tools for sharding and distributing updated documents and file formats (git, rysnc, etc.). This makes distributed updatable large-scale works possible.

The technology of written works has undergone several seismic shifts, from clay tablet to papayrus roll to codex to moveable type. Less well-known (but only slightly) are the updatable formats: loose-leaf, three-ring, and replaceable bindings, all introduced in the late 19th century, which enabled updatable works. These were true "periodicals", where sections could be updated with amendments or replacements as information changed.

The database, digital file, early version control, Wiki, and distributed version control are, IMO, all legitimately novel forms of written works, which should be recognised as such. They have and will continue to change how content is created and used, and affects and interacts with society.

Re:I Miss Microsoft Encarta by scarface74 on Monday August 19, 2019 @08:13PM (#20742853)
The Internet went from exceedingly obscure to global in the ten years of the 1990s.

This reminds me of the infamous Today show segment circa 1994.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=95-yZ-31j9A

Re:I Miss Microsoft Encarta by vonseel on Tuesday August 20, 2019 @03:07AM (#20744476)
Makes you wonder, will there ever be a replacement for the Internet?

What would that look like? An incompatible sister network that offers something the existing internet does not offer? A new network created after major disasters and world wide nuclear war destroy all existing infrastructure? I can’t imagine the existing internet would ever be replaced, certainly not by something offering privacy like ToR, because not enough people really care about privacy. The average person doesn’t really give a damn.

Re:I Miss Microsoft Encarta by Crinus on Tuesday August 20, 2019 @05:16AM (#20745025)
Chances are, just like modern internet took advantage of old communication technology (telephone wires) to spread, the "next" internet will take advantage of the "current" one.
Re:I Miss Microsoft Encarta by unilynx on Tuesday August 20, 2019 @02:52PM (#20750579)
It's already happening with new protocols not running on their own TCP port, but being 'tunneled' over HTTPS on port 443 (eg DNS over HTTPS).

At some point we can optimize away the IP and TCP layers.

Re:I Miss Microsoft Encarta by dredmorbius on Wednesday August 21, 2019 @12:48PM (#20758984)
Interesting question.

"Replacement in what sense?" probably deserves exploration.

The underlying fundamental concepts of the Internet are 1) packet-switched (as opposed to through-circuit) communications, and inter-connected networks, via BGP.

There's a lot that's layered on top of this which is seen as fundamental, but is not entirely so, most especially end-to-end connectivity and universal point-to-point access. The Internet formed under tremendously different conditions than exist today, with only a handful of nodes through 1980, and even as late as the late 1980s only a few thousands.

Roughly each order-of-magnitude increases since then seem to have come with its own set of additional headaches and concerns, mostly regarding management and mitigation of abuse. The idea of guarded borders has long been seen as anathema. I see it as all but inevitable, and the question is whether that's done well or poorly.

There are a number of earlier networking ideas which might resurface or be adapted for new use, and a survey of history might be useful here. (John S. Quarterman's The Matrix, 1990, is a fascinating time-capsule exploration of these just at the cusp of the modern Internet -- the World Wide Web does not even make mention, though "The Web, a national Canadian nonprofit conferencing system formed in 1987, does.

I'd also look at uses of the Internet and user needs.

Fundamentally, digital networks serve as communications and control media. Whether or not these need to (or can be) segregated is an open question, but splitting off, say, the IoT from other communications, might make sense, along with SCADA and military communications -- all largely control networks.

Splitting out video and voice from text and data, likewise. Much of high-demand comes from those.

As the Internet heads from the first billion or two users to the remaining five or so, questions of what technology, interfaces, and devices are appropriate for a set of digital newcomers may be worth consideration.

Or, looking at this differently: the degree to which those already here may be interested in maintaining a separate space for themselves. Not that this is necessarily equitable, but it may well prove to be attractive, say, in particular to minimise fraud and other malicious use or attacks originating from the global poor, who are in many ways justified in wanting some of the pie that's been denied to, or taken from, them.

How the needs, wants, attractions, and/or detractors or aversions affect technology development and adoption remains to be seen.

Re:I Miss Microsoft Encarta by jqcoffey on Tuesday August 20, 2019 @06:25PM (#20752834)
> Makes you wonder, will there ever be a replacement for the Internet?

Google. Circa 2030.

Re:I Miss Microsoft Encarta by JimOk on Monday August 19, 2019 @06:18PM (#20742334)
I think the phase that usurped Ecarta's position had more to do with good quality web search and to a lesser extent the crowdsourcing model of Wikipedia (run by a foundation rather than a for profit mega corporation) than to content or data standards.
Re:I Miss Microsoft Encarta by dredmorbius on Monday August 19, 2019 @06:41PM (#20742453)
Search within an encyclopedia (e.g., Wikipedia) doesn't rely on Web search generally (e.g., DDG).

I can see your point that content outside a curated context replaces an encyclopedia to an extent, and up until about 5-10 years ago, as clickbait and black-hat SEO finally won out, much noncommercial Web content was at least informative, if of generally lower quality than traditional printed sources. Convenience has a huge edge over quality, though. These days, it's Wikipedia's curated content, especially for complex breaking news stories, that is my first go-to. After Idleword's (Maciej Cezglowski's) piece on Hong Kong hit HN last week, I finally took a look at Wikipedia's article on the protests there. A full 73 page long article with references on a protest movement only a couple of months old. That's staggering, and exceeds all but the very best news sources. (Another case I'd noted was the Oroville Dam case, where Brad Plumer's article for Vox was the only trad med piece I could find even remotely approaching Wikipedia's article. The first instance of this I recall was the 2004 Boxing Day quake/tsunami in Indonesia / Indian Ocean.)

Wikipedia, on the other hand, greatly enhances Web search, though it also benefits generally from the high profile resulting from that.

Wikipedia's crowdsourcing, the reliance on underlying technologies (Wiki, HTML, mediawiki markup), and on a huge set of organisational systems, standards, practices, and solutions Wikipedia and the Wikimedia Foundation have arrived at, were transformational. Though those too strongly resemble the largely equivalent or analogous practices of earlier encyclopaedic efforts dating back to at least Diderot, as well as other reference works (OED, see Simon Winchester's The Professor and the Madman).

(Note: updated to add 2nd 'graph beginning "I can see your point...")

Re:I Miss Microsoft Encarta by JimOk on Monday August 19, 2019 @06:45PM (#20742467)
The arrival of good internet search along with the ever increasing pool of web content doomed a curated content approach such as was used by Encarta (which could never aspire to be as broad or deep as the web). I can tell you, based on watching sales figures and talking to many customers, that web search was a much bigger factor for the business than was Wikipedia. In any case it would have been much trickier to get the level of crowd input given to Wikipedia by a for profit enterprise. Regardless of tools or formats used.
Re:I Miss Microsoft Encarta by JimOk on Monday August 19, 2019 @08:21PM (#20742881)
Hello trumpetsailor! My former colleagues have been pointing me to multiple fun Encarta threads across social media.:-)
Re:I Miss Microsoft Encarta by ISL on Monday August 19, 2019 @08:00PM (#20742790)
No matter where I go, there you are. Welcome to HN, Joker :).
Re:I Miss Microsoft Encarta by JimOk on Monday August 19, 2019 @07:35PM (#20742678)
Btw despite the brief lifespan of the product, Encarta gave Microsoft reasonable return on investment. And arguably more importantly, it helped to quickly entrench the Multimedia PC standard, especially in homes. Which helped reduce Cost Of Goods Sold for all of the company's products, which netted a very nice return in cost savings.
Re:I Miss Microsoft Encarta by thaumasiotes on Monday August 19, 2019 @07:54PM (#20742760)
> The technology of written works has undergone several seismic shifts, from clay tablet to papyrus roll to codex to moveable type.

This confuses a number of different types of technology. For example, we haven't undergone a shift from codices -- we still use that form for all our written works today.

Clay and papyrus are materials on which text is written. Scroll and codex are physical forms in which long texts are organized. Movable type is a technology for recycling printing blocks. None of those three types of things are related to the other two, except that it's impossible to store clay as scrolls because it will dry. Clay is stored looseleaf.

Interestingly, the history of writing in the Near East shows exactly the same confusion -- a big reason written Aramaic grew more popular than Akkadian was that it was drawn on paper and Akkadian was carved into clay, despite the fact that logically nothing's stopping you from carving letters into clay or drawing cuneiform on paper.

Re:I Miss Microsoft Encarta by dredmorbius on Tuesday August 20, 2019 @06:01AM (#20745219)
I'm compressing thoughts for brevity. The codex, handwritten, allowed random access, but was still phenomenally expensive to create. On the order of a million dollars per copy. They were chained, the language was standardised -- you brought readers to the work (Latin) rather than works to readers (vernacular).

Moveable type, cheap paper, mass literacy, vernacular language, typographic conventions, high-speed presses, and mass distribution, create a wholly different impact.

As Elizabeth Eisenstein noted, the printing press is an agent of social change. Generalised, all comms tech is.

Re:I Miss Microsoft Encarta by thaumasiotes on Wednesday August 21, 2019 @12:57PM (#20759044)
> The codex, handwritten, allowed random access

So do scrolls. You're not supposed to open the entire scroll at once. The codex is better at this.

> but was still phenomenally expensive to create. On the order of a million dollars per copy.

This is nonsense. You can prepare a very expensive book, but you don't have to. The idea that books were necessarily earth-shakingly expensive to create conflicts with the known reality of commercial popular novels in the ancient world.

Re:I Miss Microsoft Encarta by dgritsko on Monday August 19, 2019 @04:05PM (#20741300)
I think the "not evenly distributed" quote is from William Gibson.
Re:I Miss Microsoft Encarta by santoshalper on Monday August 19, 2019 @07:28PM (#20742649)
That's a William Gibson quote.
Re:I Miss Microsoft Encarta by avip on Monday August 19, 2019 @04:58PM (#20741761)
>I really wonder what the next big changes will be

Temps up 2°C, marine ecosystems collapse, and hundreds of millions of refugees?

Re:I Miss Microsoft Encarta by vkou on Monday August 19, 2019 @06:51PM (#20742496)
Yes, but will I be able to order a dog-walker from an app?
Re:I Miss Microsoft Encarta by worik on Monday August 19, 2019 @05:34PM (#20742032)
Optimist
Re:I Miss Microsoft Encarta by hedora on Monday August 19, 2019 @10:10PM (#20743303)
The projections from big oil in the early 80’s say the global economic system will collapse in about 20 years.

They nailed the current temperature rise. No reason to think the rest of the extrapolated curve is wrong.

Re:I Miss Microsoft Encarta by charliemil4 on Monday August 19, 2019 @10:54PM (#20743467)
Source? Curious to read
Re:I Miss Microsoft Encarta by clows on Tuesday August 20, 2019 @06:38AM (#20745383)
Re:I Miss Microsoft Encarta by brainpool on Monday August 19, 2019 @05:58PM (#20742200)
Yah. People will just die. Refugee sort of implies a refuge. There’s not going to be such thing’s around if things go south as we fear they are likely to. It’s gonna play out far more like the Old Testament.
Re:I Miss Microsoft Encarta by rusk on Monday August 19, 2019 @06:57PM (#20742522)
> There’s not going to be such thing’s around

Heretofor uninhabitable places such as ... greenland maybe?

Re:I Miss Microsoft Encarta by pyrale on Tuesday August 20, 2019 @04:17AM (#20744791)
Greenland barely has soil. Take a look at the bed of a former glacier, and count the trees.
Re:I Miss Microsoft Encarta by rusk on Tuesday August 20, 2019 @05:43AM (#20745127)
It depends on where you look. Glaciers pick up material for sure, but where they melt, it is all deposited as glacial till which provides nice heavy soil for agriculture. As Greenland thaws, all this stuff will be deposited upon it. Ireland for instance, and parts of the UK have been beneficiaries of this.

Also, worth considering is that it is virgin territory for exploration for minerals and other goodies.

No shortage of water either.

But even all that aside, it is newly available space. If you can build a city in a desert (Phoenix, Arizona lets say) you can build one on Greenland.

Re:I Miss Microsoft Encarta by pyrale on Wednesday August 21, 2019 @03:15AM (#20755130)
The only reason you can build a city in a desert is the abundance of cheap energy and the ability to build what it needs elsewhere. These two conditions are not met in an hypothetic refuge.

As for soil, the creation of soil in Ireland and the UK took quite a bit of time.

Re:I Miss Microsoft Encarta by rusk on Wednesday August 21, 2019 @09:32AM (#20756961)
You haven’t a clue what you’re talking about. You talking out your arse.
Re:I Miss Microsoft Encarta by k_sze on Monday August 19, 2019 @08:43PM (#20742963)
Is that why Trump wants to buy it?
Re:I Miss Microsoft Encarta by avip on Monday August 19, 2019 @06:09PM (#20742278)
Start with the happy case or people will shut down and stop listening.
Re:I Miss Microsoft Encarta by Integrape on Monday August 19, 2019 @05:58PM (#20742201)
Seriously. Refugees? Mass extinction, more likely.
Re:I Miss Microsoft Encarta by PeterStuer on Tuesday August 20, 2019 @01:32AM (#20744094)
Why do you think those are mutually exclusive?
Re:I Miss Microsoft Encarta by _jahh on Monday August 19, 2019 @10:50PM (#20743455)
you mean the last 30 years?
Re:I Miss Microsoft Encarta by alanh on Monday August 19, 2019 @05:29PM (#20741994)
My family was never one to spend a dollar if we could spend a nickel, so our encyclopedia was significantly out of date, as was our globe. But if you knew that the USSR didn’t really exist anymore, everything else was pretty much the same. Most knowledge doesn't become wrong; it just becomes history.
Re:I Miss Microsoft Encarta by majewsky on Tuesday August 20, 2019 @08:12AM (#20745980)
My physics teacher once announced, "physics survives all regime changes", as he whipped out a stack of GDR-era textbooks.
Re:I Miss Microsoft Encarta by nly on Monday August 19, 2019 @06:09PM (#20742276)
Cashless and bankless society.

I moved to London last year and have used cash roughly zero times since. Visiting my parents (outside London) is like jumping in to treacle. Finding coins for the bus? Paper tickets on the train? Give me a god damn break. Even using chip and pin is weird now since almost all my purchases, except for dining out, are either touchless, online, or via mobile app.

In 20 years i think cash (banknotes, coinage), and maybe even bank accounts as we know them today, will be an almost alien concept to kids. Brick and mortar banks will be gone entirely. I certainly haven't set foot in one over a decade.

Re:I Miss Microsoft Encarta by cr0sh on Monday August 19, 2019 @07:26PM (#20742644)
> Brick and mortar banks will be gone entirely. I certainly haven't set foot in one over a decade.

Don't have a safety deposit box with precious metals and jewels inside?

Many, many people do - among other items (guns, cash, drugs, etc).

While "brick and mortar" banks may not exist, something of the same nature will - some kind of high-security place to store stuff like that, away from home. Maybe it will also be combined with some kind of networked backup storage for data as well...

To an extent, places like this do exist - private vault companies; always have.

I guess my point is that physical banks offer other services which can't be replicated virtually.

Re:I Miss Microsoft Encarta by ajdlinux on Monday August 19, 2019 @08:16PM (#20742869)
I seem to recall reading an article on HN a few weeks ago about how banks are pulling out of the safety deposit business now that their new branches don't really need vaults for cash, and it's not clear that any replacement for those services is emerging with the same geographic reach as the retail banking system.
Re:I Miss Microsoft Encarta by dnh44 on Tuesday August 20, 2019 @02:33AM (#20744324)
Also the main point of the article was that the safety deposit boxes aren't even safe.

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/07/19/business/safe-deposit-box...

Re:I Miss Microsoft Encarta by thaumasiotes on Monday August 19, 2019 @08:35PM (#20742933)
I've been in a bank recently to get penny rolls.
Re:I Miss Microsoft Encarta by antocv on Tuesday August 20, 2019 @03:40AM (#20744638)
Why do you think "safety deposit box" is a "safe deposit box", just because of the name and branding?

Give this a try, go open and put some rock in your safe deposit box, then call the bank and tell them you placed a C4 explosive in the box and will detonate it if they dont deposit gold under a park-bench in 2 days time.

Then watch how safe your safety deposit box is.

Re:I Miss Microsoft Encarta by executesorder66 on Tuesday August 20, 2019 @04:59AM (#20744960)
> Cashless and bankless society.

I live in backwards South Africa, and even I can't remember the last time I needed to use cash. So I'm totally with you on that one.

But bankless? Eh, I think we are at least two or tree decades away from that.