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Re:The first solar road has turned out to be a disappointing... by caymanjim on Saturday August 17, 2019 @10:11PM (#20727785)
This was not at all a failure. They built a 1km experimental road. They gained valuable information about real-world performance and technical challenges. It's not as though they built a 100km long six-lane highway with unproven technology. They built a tiny one-lane trial to test a promising idea.

It was overhyped by politicians, but what isn't? Maybe they even steamrolled over engineering red flags. That doesn't mean it wasn't a valuable experiment.

Re:The first solar road has turned out to be a disappointing... by reitzensteinm on Saturday August 17, 2019 @11:39PM (#20728096)
The trouble with this viewpoint is that there are an endless number of things we could be trying, and it's more or less a zero sum game.

The idea was terrible on paper, easily falsified by back of the napkin math. The same amount of money could have been spent on, eg, testing the commercial viability of smoothing out grid loads by making ice off peak for cooling.

Re:The first solar road has turned out to be a disappointing... by craz8 on Sunday August 18, 2019 @12:30AM (#20728246)
It’s never a zero sum game - we can try many things at once, some will work well, some will work poorly, some won’t work at all

Trying things helps us move forward

Re:The first solar road has turned out to be a disappointing... by __sy__ on Sunday August 18, 2019 @12:33AM (#20728255)
And some aren't even worth trying in the first place. Like this idea.

edit: I'm all for trying crazy moonshots. Just not down right idiotic ones that are pushed by pseudo-science and clickbait activism [1].

[1]https://www.vox.com/2014/5/14/5717036/should-we-cover-all-ou...

Re:The first solar road has turned out to be a disappointing... by ksec on Sunday August 18, 2019 @12:00PM (#20730984)
Excuse my ignorance, isn't this a technical challenge, rather than the idea in itself was stupid?

Isn't that saying shooting sky full of satellite for communication is stupid until SpaceX made loading anything to space 10x less expensive?

I would say the idea isn't worth trying because it clearly wasn't ready, ( I mean if napkin maths already show it is off by a factor of 10 than it really is stupid trying it ) but I don't think the idea in itself is stupid at all.

Re:The first solar road has turned out to be a disappointing... by arcticbull on Sunday August 18, 2019 @02:33PM (#20731966)
The thing about solar roads is they're covered by cars, and they don't work when covered, for obvious reasons. Then all the road dirt, grime, tire dust, oil, etc, builds up on top of them blocking the light for good. The road is about the worst thing you can possibly try and generate solar electricity from.
Re:The first solar road has turned out to be a disappointing... by ksec on Sunday August 18, 2019 @03:16PM (#20732216)
Thx. Valid Point.
Re:The first solar road has turned out to be a disappointing... by BubRoss on Sunday August 18, 2019 @12:26PM (#20731156)
What is the point of a solar road?
Re:The first solar road has turned out to be a disappointing... by reitzensteinm on Sunday August 18, 2019 @12:48AM (#20728293)
It shouldn't be zero sum. We should try every feasible idea we can, and humanity has a blind spot for funding projects that aren't sexy and don't have the chance of outsized commercial returns, like cheap lenses for third world countries. Or insulation.

But that's the ideal. In the real world, political and consumer attention for projects like this most certainly is zero sum. They quickly get fatiguing and you already feel like you've done your bit.

In fact, it's probably even worse than zero sum in practice, because after being burned on junk like solar roads, you're far less likely to vouch or open your wallet for the next cool sounding tech that comes along.

Re:The first solar road has turned out to be a disappointing... by quanto on Sunday August 18, 2019 @12:37AM (#20728266)
I understood the parent post's view as a zero-sum game among different proposals. There is a set, limited budget, and myriad ideas to choose from and test. Funding one idea means not being able to fund another. Thus, zero-sum.

Therefore, we should fund most probable test ideas as should any scientific endeavor. The parent post claims that this particular idea was not probable to begin with (a poor idea on paper).

Re:The first solar road has turned out to be a disappointing... by Zarel on Sunday August 18, 2019 @07:14AM (#20729541)
The question, when you see something seemingly very dumb, is always "what am I missing?"

It seems unlikely that well-funded scientists are _that_ stupid. It's more likely either that we're missing some reason why solar roads are more efficient at first glance, or that they have some ulterior political motive where wasting the money is intentional. Either way, laughing at them for missing things every internet commenter immediately thinks of seems like a mistake.

That said, in this case, my first thought is, "we definitely haven't run out of better places to put solar panels". The specifics don't matter much when the US has plenty of unused space to put solar farms (even just "next to the roads"). I'm pretty confused by how far the idea's gotten.

Re:The first solar road has turned out to be a disappointing... by maxdamantus on Sunday August 18, 2019 @08:07AM (#20729704)
In a world where funding is largely about your ability to market your product, I don't see why it's that unlikely. It's not even that they're particularly stupid, just that the market isn't magically immune to things like the sunk cost fallacy.

If people are still paying you for an idea that you might be somewhat sceptical about, are you going to stop doing it anyway? Maybe you will, but I imagine there are plenty of people where the money will just confirm their biases towards their work.

Re:The first solar road has turned out to be a disappointing... by dependsontheq on Sunday August 18, 2019 @04:19AM (#20728948)
There are different reasons to try things, this is worth trying because we have so many roads and using even a part of them for energy production would have an enormous impact.
Re:The first solar road has turned out to be a disappointing... by voxl on Sunday August 18, 2019 @03:29AM (#20728773)
Lets see the easily falsified napkin math then
Re:The first solar road has turned out to be a disappointing... by emj on Sunday August 18, 2019 @04:48AM (#20729048)
EVblog has some great videos about how bad solar roadways are, starting in 2014, and a good recap video in 2017 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rpwx-8s1M38
Re:The first solar road has turned out to be a disappointing... by wereHamster on Sunday August 18, 2019 @05:31AM (#20729207)
And also an update this year just after the failure of the experiment was announced: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dM50P4K9UVk
Re:The first solar road has turned out to be a disappointing... by duck2 on Saturday August 17, 2019 @11:03PM (#20727966)
If you can deduce something from your current knowledge, you don't need to do an experiment for that. Certainly people knew that putting fragile semiconductors under roads isn't the best idea, but they went on and spent time and money. I would call this a waste.
Re:The first solar road has turned out to be a disappointing... by asdfasgasdgasdg on Saturday August 17, 2019 @11:21PM (#20728030)
Some people deduced one thing, and others deduced the other thing. There was plenty of excitement about this idea on this very site when it was first proposed. Seeing something once is better than hearing it a hundred times.
Re:The first solar road has turned out to be a disappointing... by LoSboccacc on Sunday August 18, 2019 @02:22AM (#20728582)
only because reasonable opinion were downvoted to hell from the easily excitable crowd. I distinctly remember because I was amongst the downvoted, and dirt/rubber was one of the common concern, and it's weird to read in the article "engineers didn't think about the leaves" like, randos on internet could tell you that, what kind of cheap ass engineers were involved in the design and feasibility phase?
Re:The first solar road has turned out to be a disappointing... by tom_mellior on Sunday August 18, 2019 @03:05AM (#20728704)
The two large-ish HN discussions I found with a quick search both have critical comments at the top: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=11041245 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=11001779
Re:The first solar road has turned out to be a disappointing... by tonyedgecombe on Sunday August 18, 2019 @03:18AM (#20728744)
Every Hacker News post has critical comments at the top, if you took notice of those you would never attempt anything.
Re:The first solar road has turned out to be a disappointing... by thereisnospork on Sunday August 18, 2019 @12:26AM (#20728228)
> There was plenty of excitement

The point is there shouldn't have been. Some people deduced and others hoped or willed themselves to ignorance.

Re:The first solar road has turned out to be a disappointing... by BubRoss on Sunday August 18, 2019 @12:27PM (#20731168)
What problem does this solve?
Re:The first solar road has turned out to be a disappointing... by atoav on Sunday August 18, 2019 @03:07AM (#20728711)
On the other hand it could also be a scam and the public money wasted could be used for far more interesting experiments. Experiments that at least make sense on a conceptual level or where we really just don’t know how things would pan out in a real world scenario.

Solar roads are not that kind of experiment. Even given an ideal execution solar roads would give you the combination of suboptimal roads with badly used solar panels.

Unless glas turns out to be a superior road surface (which I doubt) and unless solar panels perform better flat on the ground under a layer of dirt than raised above shadows and with a well adjusted angle (which helps the rain to clean the thing and increases efficiency) — unless all of that, putting solar panels on the side of the roads or roofa will be way more economical and ecological.

This is literally bad design: something that looks good or innovative on first glance, but is totally inpractical and maybe even destructive the longer you ponder about it.

Re:The first solar road has turned out to be a disappointing... by notatoad on Saturday August 17, 2019 @11:46PM (#20728116)
It didn't appear to fail in interesting ways though. If it failed in all the obvious, predictable ways that's not a valuable experiment
Re:The first solar road has turned out to be a disappointing... by whenanother on Sunday August 18, 2019 @12:09AM (#20728183)
it's like that kid who envisioned that we could clean the ocean of all the plastic by laying a long catching device. but they never bothered consulting people who actually build ships and other seagoing vessels. and they didn't bother consulting people who've actually worked on this problem. I believe the biggest issue is that the plastic tend to float under the surface of the water and this thing floated on top of the water. and then in the end this thing just bunched up after a day, so it never really caught any plastic.

this is the problem when you have rich people pick and choose which ideas gets implemented. rather than having people who are actually intelligent and have experience driving innovations you have a constant flow of bad ideas. inevitable something will work and these idiots will claim that their process actually works. no, it's more like they have the money to afford a lot of failures.

Re:The first solar road has turned out to be a disappointing... by adrianN on Sunday August 18, 2019 @12:35AM (#20728261)
As far as I know solar roads where never a promising idea because they have obvious shortcomings that this trial just confirmed. There are a million better places to put solar panels than under car tires. Once we've exhausted those would could start thinking about solar roadways.
Re:The first solar road has turned out to be a disappointing... by Canada on Sunday August 18, 2019 @05:25AM (#20729184)
But it wasn't a valuable experiment. Absolutely nothing was learned from it. It's some combination of delusion and fraud. Here's a video from 2014 discussing it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=obS6TUVSZds
Re:The first solar road has turned out to be a disappointing... by holmberd on Saturday August 17, 2019 @10:56PM (#20727943)
Exactly, failure or not is a good thing, moving on.