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Re:Germans Grow Frustrated with Their Slow-Poke Internet by sc11 on Monday August 05, 2019 @02:55PM (#20617315)
> Even very close to big cities like Frankfurt, having an uninterrupted phone call is a difficult thing to have.

The German Minister for Economic Affairs has stopped taking calls with foreign colleagues during car trips because he was too embarassed by the constant interruptions...

Re:Germans Grow Frustrated with Their Slow-Poke Internet by nextos on Monday August 05, 2019 @05:39PM (#20619323)
I have had the same experience both in Germany and in some areas of the UK, like downtown Cambridge which was shocking.

In contrast, both Scandinavia and many parts of Southern Europe have great mobile and landline Internet. I guess it has something to do with the structure of the market before EU enforced massive privatizations.

Re:Germans Grow Frustrated with Their Slow-Poke Internet by flurdy on Tuesday August 06, 2019 @07:06AM (#20624076)
It is partly down to inept politicians and the concessions they dictated to the mobile networks.

In Norway, they demanded the networks cover 97% of the geographic areas. It's why you might get 3G or even 4G in the middle of nowhere, on top of a mountain, wherever you might drive.

However, in the UK the inept politicians demanded 97% of the population, not geographically.

So all the UK networks just built perfect coverage for all the cities and towns, and could mostly ignore everywhere else.

Which means even in the populous South East England whenever I drive slightly outside my town towards one of the bigger cities 20-30 minutes away I can not have a conversation in my car as the connection is always lost. Nor on the train into London. And also must be a nightmare for the small villages that fall outside the 97%.

(On the plus side whenever we go to the country pubs around here, I can not be reached, and noone can look at the phone during dinner...)

Re:Germans Grow Frustrated with Their Slow-Poke Internet by anoncake on Tuesday August 06, 2019 @08:02AM (#20624345)
> However, in the UK the inept politicians demanded 97% of the population, not geographically.

Which is completely backwards. You don't need mobile where you live (as long as you can get a landline), you need it everywhere else.

Re:Germans Grow Frustrated with Their Slow-Poke Internet by flurdy on Tuesday August 06, 2019 @12:32PM (#20626727)
Well I don't really know anyone that has a landline any more, so my correction would be you need it everywhere. Especially with 5G arriving soon.
Re:Germans Grow Frustrated with Their Slow-Poke Internet by anoncake on Tuesday August 06, 2019 @01:33PM (#20627454)
Being able to get a landline != having a landline.
Re:Germans Grow Frustrated with Their Slow-Poke Internet by close04 on Tuesday August 06, 2019 @03:46AM (#20623090)
Some Southern European countries still have pretty crappy internet overall - average to low for mobile, and really bad for landline (Italy, Greece, Croatia).

Eastern European countries mostly have great internet (especially landline, probably above average for mobile). I always assumed it must be because they came later to the party and went directly for modern technologies. As opposed to Germany who had telephone lines all over and then decided to get the most out of them because rebuilding with fiber would cost the companies too much.

Re:Germans Grow Frustrated with Their Slow-Poke Internet by vetinari on Tuesday August 06, 2019 @08:26AM (#20624490)
Eastern European countries are ...complicated.

The state-owned telcos were privatized in 90-ties, because the state is a bad owner, by ...state owned telcos from the west (Deutsche Telecom, Telefonica, etc). Of course, the first thing they tried was to move the obsolete equipment from their home countries to Eastern Europe for the price of a new one and for the money to get the new equipment in their home countries.

That didn't work out, because new competitors appeared, that built FTTH/Tripple Play networks from the scratch, with very low red tape at the time. That made the old DSL equipment not competetive in the cities (some even wanted to charge based on data transferred via DSLAM, making the flat-rate FTTH even better deal), so the ILECs had to do something with it - which meant to build their own FTTH network. DSLAMs were relegated to country side.

That's how Eastern Europe got fast and cheap fixed-line Internet in their cities. In the country, it is still mixed bag, better bet is LTE & 3G.

Re:Germans Grow Frustrated with Their Slow-Poke Internet by yxhuvud on Tuesday August 06, 2019 @09:31AM (#20624952)
That story isn't really the full story for some of the countries. For example, Romania had a really huge build it yourself boom (which have since consolidated into proper companies since, if I have understood it correctly) and at least for a while ended up with more people having fiber than running water.
Re:Germans Grow Frustrated with Their Slow-Poke Internet by msiebuhr on Tuesday August 06, 2019 @12:22AM (#20622103)
AFAIK, most of the Danish cellphone infrastructure was built after TeleDanmark (now TDC) was privatized.
Re:Germans Grow Frustrated with Their Slow-Poke Internet by terminalhealth on Monday August 05, 2019 @04:22PM (#20618509)
They also have a "Ministry of Transport and Digital Infrastructure" as if expertise in one domain would easily transfer to the other. The only commonality seems to be that things are being transported from A to B via some network, but it pretty much ends there.
Re:Germans Grow Frustrated with Their Slow-Poke Internet by filmor on Monday August 05, 2019 @04:38PM (#20618662)
Oh, that's not really an issue, he shows very similar levels of incompetence in both areas.
Re:Germans Grow Frustrated with Their Slow-Poke Internet by mschuster91 on Tuesday August 06, 2019 @06:03AM (#20623793)
His predecessors from CDU/CSU also. Infrastructure ministry is dominated by a history of politicians hellbent on kissing the automotive industry's butt...
Re:Germans Grow Frustrated with Their Slow-Poke Internet by phoenixdblack on Tuesday August 06, 2019 @07:52AM (#20624302)
I second this
Re:Germans Grow Frustrated with Their Slow-Poke Internet by disillusioned on Tuesday August 06, 2019 @03:18AM (#20622933)
Strictly speaking, aren't they both just series' of tubes? /s
Re:Germans Grow Frustrated with Their Slow-Poke Internet by afiori on Tuesday August 06, 2019 @07:31AM (#20624194)
Let's join also the ministry of health then! :)
Re:Germans Grow Frustrated with Their Slow-Poke Internet by luckydata on Monday August 05, 2019 @04:36PM (#20618639)
I think the money comes from the same budget, and it's both cases infrastructure. At the end of the day you don't need that much expertise to allocate funds, it's more about politics.
Re:Germans Grow Frustrated with Their Slow-Poke Internet by brokenmachine on Monday August 05, 2019 @07:40PM (#20620463)
>you don't need that much expertise to allocate funds

You need expertise to allocate funds wisely however.

Re:Germans Grow Frustrated with Their Slow-Poke Internet by terminalhealth on Monday August 05, 2019 @05:08PM (#20618987)
Digital infrastructure is mostly privatized (and monopolized).
Re:Germans Grow Frustrated with Their Slow-Poke Internet by em-bee on Tuesday August 06, 2019 @10:15AM (#20625334)
it does kind of make sense if you consider that roads and rail lines are good places to put data cables, and that you have to dig up roads for the cables to be placed. so having the authority do do so within one ministry sounds like a good idea.
Re:Germans Grow Frustrated with Their Slow-Poke Internet by terminalhealth on Wednesday August 07, 2019 @08:15AM (#20633952)
Fair point, but they do invoke this ludicrous metaphor of the data highway, also why isn't it then simply called "infrastructure". There are surely other large scale planning decisions that could be subsumed e.g. pipelines, power lines etc.; why would they not be mentioned?
Re:Germans Grow Frustrated with Their Slow-Poke Internet by hurrrrrrrr on Tuesday August 06, 2019 @08:50AM (#20624639)
Competence doesn't seem to be a requirement in these positions.
Re:Germans Grow Frustrated with Their Slow-Poke Internet by KONAir on Tuesday August 06, 2019 @09:59AM (#20625209)
Ultimately they are both "realtime logistics" and the minister better have expertise in longterm public projects then either. But yea, sure they better be seperate.
Re:Germans Grow Frustrated with Their Slow-Poke Internet by eurg on Tuesday August 06, 2019 @06:19AM (#20623873)
The infamous "Datenautobahn".
Re:Germans Grow Frustrated with Their Slow-Poke Internet by thaumasiotes on Tuesday August 06, 2019 @07:30AM (#20624188)
Sounds like a pretty close translation of the "information superhighway".