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Re:Apple expected to adopt keyboard with scissor mechanism f... by robbyking on Friday July 26, 2019 @04:24PM (#20538063)
I really thought the Touch Bar would grow on me, and now a year or so later it's just as frustrating and unintuitive as it was on day one.

My wife and I rarely watch television, but when we do it's on our MBP. There literally isn't a way to adjust the volume on full screen video using just the keyboard; you have to exit full screen mode (to revert the Touch Bar to its default set of buttons), and then adjust the volume slider (which is still another screen deep).

It's infuriating.

Re:Apple expected to adopt keyboard with scissor mechanism f... by dkthehuman on Friday July 26, 2019 @04:43PM (#20538190)
If you go to System Preferences > Keyboard, you can change the "Touch Bar shows" option from "App Controls" to "Expanded Control Strip" to have the default set of buttons showing all the time.
Re:Apple expected to adopt keyboard with scissor mechanism f... by zerocrates on Friday July 26, 2019 @05:23PM (#20538455)
Of course if it's just going to show the default set of buttons all the time, that's a feature also achievable with... actual keys.
Re:Apple expected to adopt keyboard with scissor mechanism f... by bhl on Friday July 26, 2019 @10:47PM (#20540098)
Default keys won’t prevent the touchbar from freezing or bugging out, which has occurred multiple times for me. It’s odd to make such important keys software based and prone to non mechanical failure.
Re:Apple expected to adopt keyboard with scissor mechanism f... by EForEndeavour on Saturday July 27, 2019 @12:15PM (#20542667)
I wonder what fails more often, the touchbar or mechanical keys. In any case, though, the touchbar is the anti-feature nobody asked for.
Re:Apple expected to adopt keyboard with scissor mechanism f... by cassianoleal on Saturday July 27, 2019 @04:34PM (#20544029)
I've had a TouchBar MacBook Pro for about 2 years now. The TouchBar has frozen or crashed on me multiple times. Apart from the terrible butterfly keyboard on this same computer which also tends to fail, literallyt never in 35-ish years using computers I had a mechanical key failing on me.
Re:Apple expected to adopt keyboard with scissor mechanism f... by dankohn1 on Friday July 26, 2019 @09:02PM (#20539708)
Thank you! I couldn't figure out how to do that.
Re:Apple expected to adopt keyboard with scissor mechanism f... by the_watcher on Friday July 26, 2019 @05:09PM (#20538345)
If you set the default to function keys, you can also set the fn key to show the expanded control strip too.
Re:Apple expected to adopt keyboard with scissor mechanism f... by GordonS on Friday July 26, 2019 @06:19PM (#20538861)
I felt the same way, and after maybe 2 years I still hate it - the only thing I ever want to use on it is the F-keys, rendering it useless.

Actually, worse than useless - I also run Bootstrap on my MBP, and when using keys on the touch bar you have to leave something like a 2s delay between each press for it to register. Maddening when F5 stepping through code!

Re:Apple expected to adopt keyboard with scissor mechanism f... by cpuguy83 on Friday July 26, 2019 @07:48PM (#20539304)
When I first got it I was like "This isn't as bad as people make it out to be"... but now 1 year in and I want to throw this thing across the room at least once a day because my finger grazed something on the touchbar and totally messed up whatever I was doing.
Re:Apple expected to adopt keyboard with scissor mechanism f... by mitchellgoffpc on Saturday July 27, 2019 @12:02AM (#20540318)
I 100% agree with you, but definitely check out pock.dev. Saw it on HN a little while ago, it shows your dock in the touchbar and you can customize it to add music/brightness/volume controls as well. At least for me, it actually makes the touchbar useful since I can hide the on-screen dock and still see at a glance if I have notifications, which apps are open, and what Spotify is playing (I’ve heard bettertouchtool can do something similar too)
Re:Apple expected to adopt keyboard with scissor mechanism f... by bradbatt on Friday July 26, 2019 @05:16PM (#20538393)
This doesn't excuse Apple's poor design, but I highly recommend Keyboard Maestro to solve this problem for you. You can assign keyboard shortcuts to actions in specific programs (and much, much more) ... super useful program.

https://www.keyboardmaestro.com/

Re:Apple expected to adopt keyboard with scissor mechanism f... by outoftheabyss on Friday July 26, 2019 @05:41PM (#20538596)
Works normally for me, no need to exit full screen. I would say the more frustrating thing is that once you change the volume, the Touch Bar takes a while to turn off so you are left with the distraction when watching video.
Re:Apple expected to adopt keyboard with scissor mechanism f... by IggleSniggle on Friday July 26, 2019 @04:36PM (#20538142)
Have only and exactly the controls you want on your touchbar: https://community.folivora.ai/t/goldenchaos-btt-a-complete-t...
Re:Apple expected to adopt keyboard with scissor mechanism f... by factotvm on Friday July 26, 2019 @09:26PM (#20539808)
A solution to a problem that shouldn't exist, in my opinion. That's fine if you want to try and sell TouchBars, but still give me the option to buy a laptop without one.

I'm still holding out hope for a good keyboard and a proper row of keys along the top. In the meantime, I'm typing this on a 2012 MacBook Pro.

Re:Apple expected to adopt keyboard with scissor mechanism f... by wodenokoto on Saturday July 27, 2019 @12:24AM (#20540367)
You can set the bar to always show certain widgets. I have mine always show keyboard light, brightness and volume control. This doesn’t require any 3rd party software

But it still lights up whenever you want it to be dark (like when a full screen video starts), and is dark whenever you actually need to look it it (when you decide to adjust the volume a few minutes later).

Re:Apple expected to adopt keyboard with scissor mechanism f... by koiz on Friday July 26, 2019 @07:05PM (#20539110)
It's cheap crap.

If they had real buttons that could be be completely dynamic it would be better. Basically what we see with a stream deck.

Re:Apple expected to adopt keyboard with scissor mechanism f... by nhooyr on Friday July 26, 2019 @05:21PM (#20538435)
Not sure what you're talking about. Volume control works normally for me full screen.
Re:Apple expected to adopt keyboard with scissor mechanism f... by pryce on Friday July 26, 2019 @06:00PM (#20538722)
Touchbar Volume controls on fullscreen video work for me - can I ask which video application are you using?
Re:Apple expected to adopt keyboard with scissor mechanism f... by Fnoord on Saturday July 27, 2019 @05:41AM (#20541212)
(Disclaimer: I never owned a TouchBar Mac.)

There are a few applications which enhance the TouchBar in one way or another. Perhaps the best idea I've seen is the one where it put the Dock in the TouchBar.

Re:Apple expected to adopt keyboard with scissor mechanism f... by xz0r on Friday July 26, 2019 @10:30PM (#20540027)
In VLC, you could use up/down arrow keys to control volume.
Re:Apple expected to adopt keyboard with scissor mechanism f... by nfoz on Friday July 26, 2019 @06:54PM (#20539060)
When I bought a Macbook in 2006, it came with a remote-control. I guess they don't do this anymore?
Re:Apple expected to adopt keyboard with scissor mechanism f... by schpaencoder on Friday July 26, 2019 @07:09PM (#20539126)
They certainly don’t come with anything nonessential anymore.
Re:Apple expected to adopt keyboard with scissor mechanism f... by Corrado on Saturday July 27, 2019 @05:22AM (#20541163)
This is part of my frustration with Apple lately. Buying an Apple product, any Apple product, used to be a premium experience. You received everything you needed, and more. There were plenty of cords, controllers, etc. and even stickers! The packaging was beautiful to look at, easy to work with (no squeaky Styrofoam!), and cleverly constructed. You were excited to get the package home and open it.

Now, Apple seems to cut corners where ever possible; as someone else mentioned the power brick no longer includes an extension cable. To make matters worse, the USB-C cable they do include is a "power only" cable and won't allow you to hook up other things to your MBP. This means to hook up your monitor to your new computer you have to remember to purchase a "real" USB-C cable.

This is on a product that costs thousands of dollars! Can they not afford to provide a usable set of cables with your $2,500 computer?

Re:Apple expected to adopt keyboard with scissor mechanism f... by redwall_hp on Friday July 26, 2019 @08:12PM (#20539418)
They don't even come with a three prong extension cord anymore.
Re:Apple expected to adopt keyboard with scissor mechanism f... by inferiorhuman on Saturday July 27, 2019 @02:22AM (#20540678)
The replacement USB-C chargers don't even come with any way of connecting to the computer.