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Re:Click farms: a shadowy internet industry is booming in China by Trias11 on Sunday July 21, 2019 @11:15PM (#20495113)
That's how they perpetuate "Made in China"===(Fake|Crap)

I was wondering why is obscure, crappy apps in apple store get so many positive reviews.

Apple/AMZN need to up their game in reviews/ratings domains.

Re:Click farms: a shadowy internet industry is booming in China by mrep on Monday July 22, 2019 @12:27AM (#20495339)
App stores are also used for money laundering. Create a bogus app, spend a bunch of money "buying" your app and now you have "legitimate" money.
Re:Click farms: a shadowy internet industry is booming in China by neurostimulant on Monday July 22, 2019 @06:37AM (#20496747)
Is 30% cut by Apple/Google actually competitive compared to other money laundering methods?
Re:Click farms: a shadowy internet industry is booming in China by mrep on Monday July 22, 2019 @07:19PM (#20503182)
I'm sort of guessing here based on movies/things I have read since I ain't no money launderer, but I think locality to the source of money makes a huge difference. If you are a local drug dealer who makes all their money in their local currency in cash, then it is probably most efficient to open up some local business like a dry cleaner (i believe that's what one of the "businesses" they had in the movie american gangster) which "happens to make a bunch of money through pseudonymous cash". That way, you would only have to pay sales tax.

If you are selling to people outside your main currency though, you need someway to convert it back and "digital" transactions seem ideal so I can see the extra cost being worth it (you just happen to have a lot of american customers who like your digital product...)

Re:Click farms: a shadowy internet industry is booming in China by mruts on Monday July 22, 2019 @07:02AM (#20496858)
I think so. You’re always going to lose money by laundering it. Also combined with the low upfront investment (it’s pretty easy to set up new apps), it doesn’t sound like a bad idea to me.

Using a real physical business has a lot of problems that apps do not.

Re:Click farms: a shadowy internet industry is booming in China by driverdan on Monday July 22, 2019 @10:41AM (#20498399)
No. The standard is 10%.
Re:Click farms: a shadowy internet industry is booming in China by danielscrubs on Monday July 22, 2019 @06:00AM (#20496599)
Is that really a big problem? I mean, Apple would take a 30% cut AND you'd have to put the money in the bank first which would make it traceable if I'm not missing something?
Re:Click farms: a shadowy internet industry is booming in China by jmkni on Monday July 22, 2019 @06:50AM (#20496806)
It's pretty common for scam artists to con people into buying Google Play/Apple gift cards, so I guess that would get around the first part.
Re:Click farms: a shadowy internet industry is booming in China by danielscrubs on Monday July 22, 2019 @07:59AM (#20497116)
Aha, ok, that would explain it. Thanks!
Re:Click farms: a shadowy internet industry is booming in China by davinic on Monday July 22, 2019 @12:09PM (#20499375)
The whole point of money laundering is to get it in the bank as legitimate income. This accomplishes that.
Re:Click farms: a shadowy internet industry is booming in China by Trias11 on Monday July 22, 2019 @01:21AM (#20495495)
I guess it will work well to launder $50.00
Re:Click farms: a shadowy internet industry is booming in China by troymc on Monday July 22, 2019 @01:36AM (#20495544)
I wasn't familiar with schemes that use app stores for money laundering so I did some basic web searches and it seems it can been used to launder more than $50.00. Here is one example:

https://complyadvantage.com/blog/blog-money-laundering-via-a...

Just to be clear: I don't condone money laundering and I don't suggest you do it!

Re:Click farms: a shadowy internet industry is booming in China by bjhkx on Monday July 22, 2019 @05:42AM (#20496512)
>Then set up a MongoDB database to automatically generate Apple store accounts to create game accounts,

Anybody without a technical background could read this and think that MongoDB is some kind of Apple accounts generator software.

Re:Click farms: a shadowy internet industry is booming in China by ryanlol on Monday July 22, 2019 @06:05AM (#20496622)
Is this really money laundering though? No attempt is made to obscure the source of the money.

This looks very much like standard credit card fraud to me.

Re:Click farms: a shadowy internet industry is booming in China by wil421 on Monday July 22, 2019 @06:54AM (#20496827)
Pretend I’m a scammer. Buy 10,000 CC#s in bulk. Most are bunk but I’ll buy iTunes gift cards with the good ones. Then I make clean money on the developer side. Maybe I’ll use gift cards to buy gift cards to buy gift cards.

Now take this and have an organization doing it. They probably pay people across the world to get the gift cards they use.

Re:Click farms: a shadowy internet industry is booming in China by ryanlol on Monday July 22, 2019 @07:06AM (#20496879)
I’m sure a prosecutor could fit in a money laundering charge too, but I still find it weird to call this money laundering.

The goal here isn’t to obscure the source of the money, the goal is to monetize credit card fraud.

Nobody would actually use iTunes to launder money, the fees are simply too high.

>Then I make clean money on the developer side.

That money is not clean.

>Maybe I’ll use gift cards to buy gift cards to buy gift cards.

And lose all of your money to apples fees and taxes, which is precisely why nobody would ever do this.

Re:Click farms: a shadowy internet industry is booming in China by moate on Monday July 22, 2019 @11:56AM (#20499246)
"A high % of your money" is not "all your money".

Let's say I've bought these bogus cards. This is the starting point, with dirty money. Anything bought here is obvious and traceable. I take that money, and I buy Visa gift cards, which basically function as cash. I take those Visas and buy Amex gift cards, losing 6% (ballparking here, it's actually 5.95% for $100) of my take to fees and then another 10% to fees/shipping for Amex. I funnel those through fake app purchases on the app store and lose a further 20% of my original take.

I now have about 55-65% of my original take in relatively clean money that I convert to bitcoin and back. If you're talking thousands of dollars here, this can easily be worth it. Doubly so if you live in a country where the expectations of police are that they're not going to have the resources to pursue this kind of crime for whatever reason. Get enough people doing this and enough accounts to make the flow through multiple channels, and you've got yourself the makings of a multi-million dollar money laundering service you can sell out to identity thieves (or use for your own thieves).

Re:Click farms: a shadowy internet industry is booming in China by mrep on Monday July 22, 2019 @07:29PM (#20503243)
> I now have about 55-65% of my original take in relatively clean money that I convert to bitcoin and back.

I'm no tax investigator expert, but I cannot think of a more sketchy/illegal way to "make a lot of money" than by receiving a bunch of bitcoin especially considering every bitcoin transaction is recorded on a public leger. They have every accounts history you received money from. How are you going to explain receiving all those transactions? At least with your app, you have something to show what people paid for even if it is shit.

Re:Click farms: a shadowy internet industry is booming in China by moate on Tuesday July 23, 2019 @09:30AM (#20506554)
I mean the whole plan was to steal credit cards and then launder the money through several intermediaries. It's like the textbook definition of "sketchy/illegal".

THAT SAID, there's nothing illegal about using money from your app store company to purchase bitcoin. IDK that it even feels that weird these days with crypto being proto-mainstream at this point. Easily hand waved away as "Oh, he's one of those weird tech guys".

Most criminal activity is risky. The bet you're making is "this is unlikely to be investigated thoroughly enough for me to be caught". Considering how the government keeps gutting the IRS, and how difficult investigating cybercrimes is for most police departments, this isn't even implausible in the US.

Re:Click farms: a shadowy internet industry is booming in China by skunkpocalypse on Monday July 22, 2019 @05:02AM (#20496334)
... and can be repeated a hundred thousand times. Voila, $5 million launderized.
Re:Click farms: a shadowy internet industry is booming in China by ryanlol on Monday July 22, 2019 @01:21AM (#20495496)
This only makes sense if you’re cashing out fraudulently acquired gift cards.

Does not make any sense if you’re trying to launder money in a bank account or cash.

Re:Click farms: a shadowy internet industry is booming in China by baxtr on Monday July 22, 2019 @04:01AM (#20496092)
That’s what you read into it. I thought: what a clever bunch! It’s all in your head
Re:Click farms: a shadowy internet industry is booming in China by AFascistWorld on Monday July 22, 2019 @12:33AM (#20495350)
You can never eliniminate it, you can only drive up the costs.
Re:Click farms: a shadowy internet industry is booming in China by bgbjfcvnkytgd on Sunday July 21, 2019 @11:21PM (#20495142)
Hey man, I'm just trying to feed my family. I have kids so that means I can behave however I want so long as it benefits my kids. And rather than trust some reviews on a platform anyone can sign up for, how about you do some reading on the app developer and their ToS and Privacy Policy.