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Re:America’s urban rebirth is missing actual births by magduf on Thursday July 18, 2019 @07:02PM (#20474818)
You don't need "low rise cohousing communities" to have families in cities. Japanese cities are extremely dense, yet people raise families there just fine. On my trip to Japan, I was really struck by how many children I saw in the middles of cities (moreso in some districts than others, of course), whereas I never see children in downtown American cities.

Of course, Japanese cities don't have enormous parking lots, everyone driving cars, etc. They have taxis of course, and some cars (not a lot really, given the population), and work vehicles, but not the huge amount of vehicle traffic we have. And of course, there's tons of trains and buses, so it's really cheap and easy to get around by public transit. On top of that, there's bicycles: tons of people get around by bicycle, and the traffic level and speeds are low enough to make this very safe, plus there's no culture there of being aggressive towards cyclists or pedestrians the way America has.

Re:America’s urban rebirth is missing actual births by topmonk on Thursday July 18, 2019 @07:30PM (#20474994)
Japan has one of the lowest birthrates in the world, well below replacement rates. Their society is also consists almost entirely of Japanese that all share the same culture. It would be very hard to emulate what they do and even so, no real guarantee that it would change anything.
Re:America’s urban rebirth is missing actual births by scythe on Thursday July 18, 2019 @07:48PM (#20475079)
Japan does have a low birthrate, but it also has a rising birthrate. Since 2005 Japan has seen a long general trend of increasing birthrates since the ‘60s. This turnaround coincides with efforts to make housing cheaper and cities more kid-friendly. They’ve gone from 1.26 to 1.44.

It’s not a complete reversal, but the fact that Japan’s rising birth rate has defied regional and global trends and persists despite continued urbanization and secularization shows they might be on to something.

Re:America’s urban rebirth is missing actual births by pmart123 on Friday July 19, 2019 @12:25AM (#20476161)
I think this nails it on the head. The writer is conflating the affects due to socioeconomic conditions with the affects he wishes to perceive as it strengthens the arguments he brought forth in prior essays. This seems like an exercise of mental gymnastics as marriage age and birth rate have been pretty correlated with the cost of living throughout the world. When I left London during its peak costs, the average age for marriage was 36 for me and 32 for women. The displaced rural American worker clinged to both Sanders and Trump in the last primary. This isn’t some massive conspiracy. Home owners in SF and NYC have discouraged development through NIMBYism. Meanwhile, magnetic schools and private school options haven’t really grown their pupil base. If you are making a million a year, the equation works out, but if not, you need to make sacrifices, and, for many millennials that means sacrificing reproduction over lifestyle.
Re:America’s urban rebirth is missing actual births by Dylan16807 on Friday July 19, 2019 @01:41AM (#20476425)
The low birthrate only strengthens the argument about seeing many children.
Re:America’s urban rebirth is missing actual births by throwaway2048 on Friday July 19, 2019 @05:34PM (#20482637)
One person's anecdote doesn't strengthen much of anything.
Re:America’s urban rebirth is missing actual births by aikinai on Thursday July 18, 2019 @08:33PM (#20475294)
Exactly. My family moved from an American city core to a Japanese city core specifically because we don’t want to live in our cars but American cities aren’t suited for children. Japanese cities are dense and walkable but wonderful places for families and children.
Re:America’s urban rebirth is missing actual births by PKop on Thursday July 18, 2019 @09:12PM (#20475451)
Because they have a high trust, homogenous culture. How many people feel comfortable taking children on public transportation or allowing to roam the middle of cities?

Culture matters, and quite frankly Japanese culture is different.

Re:America’s urban rebirth is missing actual births by madhadron on Thursday July 18, 2019 @10:02PM (#20475651)
> How many people feel comfortable taking children on public transportation or allowing to roam the middle of cities?

Public transit? Most everyone in cities that really depend on it like NYC.

Re:America’s urban rebirth is missing actual births by dhdidhdu on Thursday July 18, 2019 @10:45PM (#20475797)
Would you let your four year old take public transit in NYC by himself? Because they do that in Japan.
Re:America’s urban rebirth is missing actual births by volkl48 on Thursday July 18, 2019 @11:34PM (#20475978)
Maybe not a 4 year old, but NYC kids grow up way more independent than in many places in the US.

Middle school kids taking public transit by themselves is pretty normal.

Re:America’s urban rebirth is missing actual births by selectodude on Friday July 19, 2019 @12:42AM (#20476233)
I was taking two busses to school every day at 12 year old just 15 years ago in Chicago. Today my mother would probably go to jail.
Re:America’s urban rebirth is missing actual births by wcunning on Friday July 19, 2019 @12:29AM (#20476176)
It was rare enough that allowing a kid to do that made Lenore Skenazy [0] famous not that long ago...

[0] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lenore_Skenazy

Re:America’s urban rebirth is missing actual births by nostrademons on Friday July 19, 2019 @01:38AM (#20476413)
This is almost exclusively a Millenial/Homelander thing (with Boomer or Gen-X parents). My mom took the elevator train in from Jackson Heights to Manhattan every day for school from the time she turned 12. That's a 50 minute train ride with 2 connections. This was in the early 60s.

I feel like there's basically a two-generation swath where kids were treated like they'd break if you breathed on them, which coincides with the first generation that's never known real deprivation (Boomers) raising kids in an environment where their leaders are trying their hardest to create an environment of fear to maintain social control in the absence of war and real deprivation. It's slowly reversing itself as Millenials are themselves having kids and realizing all the ways that they were screwed over by not being forced to face risk & adversity in their formative years. (There's a big selection bias, too, in that Millenials who buy into the culture of fear are just not having kids because they think the world is hopeless, meaning everyone who has a next generation tends towards the un-anxious population.)

Re:America’s urban rebirth is missing actual births by magduf on Monday July 22, 2019 @11:00AM (#20498597)
From my reading of your link, it looks like the incident that brought her fame/infamy happened in 2008. That's right during America's obsession with helicopter parenting, so the timeline makes sense.

If you go back to the 1980s, what she did wouldn't have been that remarkable. In that time, kids like me were gone from home for hours, walking or riding bikes for miles away from home, and we didn't have cellphones for our parents to keep tabs on us. Statistics show that crime rates were much higher (they peaked in the mid-70s, and have been falling since); the difference is that Americans just weren't paranoid back then the way they are now.

Re:America’s urban rebirth is missing actual births by astura on Friday July 19, 2019 @09:53AM (#20478639)
Ummm I took the bus by myself at 9, and that was before cell phones.
Re:America’s urban rebirth is missing actual births by dhdidhdu on Friday July 19, 2019 @07:41AM (#20477766)
Big difference between a four and a 12 year old.
Re:America’s urban rebirth is missing actual births by CalRobert on Friday July 19, 2019 @06:46AM (#20477494)
The problem, of course, is that in America a driver will kill your four year old, and it will somehow be your fault for letting your kid walk to the metro station.
Re:America’s urban rebirth is missing actual births by dhdidhdu on Friday July 19, 2019 @07:29AM (#20477698)
Or a creep. It’s not just drivers who make our cities bad.
Re:America’s urban rebirth is missing actual births by CalRobert on Friday July 19, 2019 @08:27AM (#20478020)
Sure. But drivers are the leading cause of dead children in the US.

(Also stranger danger is overstated, most victims know their assailant, etc. etc.)

Re:America’s urban rebirth is missing actual births by fragmede on Friday July 19, 2019 @12:34AM (#20476201)
At the worst, public transportation and city centers are biohazards (needles, urine, feces), with mentally-ill people (who are unable to get help) screaming at the top of their lungs. I'm not sure which is worse, when they're screaming at somebody, or when they're screaming at something we can't see.

There are various historical factors that have resulted in that abysmal situation in the US. Assigning it all to a four-word summary of Japanese culture is a bit reductive. The dangers in the city are different than they in the 80's, and they'll change again. The important part is to believe we can do better.

Re:America’s urban rebirth is missing actual births by danans on Thursday July 18, 2019 @10:01PM (#20475649)
> How many people feel comfortable taking children on public transportation

In major American cities, kids are taken on public transportation all the time. Often big groups of school kids are in transit for a museum field trip downtown.

Re:America’s urban rebirth is missing actual births by watwut on Friday July 19, 2019 @01:31AM (#20476391)
Americans cry child neglect when 10 years old play alone outside in residential are with no traffic and last crime 20 years ago. People being uncomfortable with 7 years old playing on playground without direct supervision is literally a thing.

Homogenity has little to do with it. Same paranoia is applied to playground structures, when the child can stay alone home for 1 hour, to everything.

Re:America’s urban rebirth is missing actual births by scarejunba on Friday July 19, 2019 @03:06AM (#20476726)
People hate BART and I see absolute bloody armies of kids on it often enough that I recall them.
Re:America’s urban rebirth is missing actual births by throwaway2048 on Thursday July 18, 2019 @07:23PM (#20474950)
The birth rate has completely nosedived in Japan aswel, its only 60% of the USA's
Re:America’s urban rebirth is missing actual births by aikinai on Thursday July 18, 2019 @08:24PM (#20475243)
Don’t have stats on me right now but I think it’s right in line with non-immigrant Americans’ birth rate.

America (just as most developed nations) only props up their birth rate though immigration.