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Re:The internet is an SEO landfill by jacquesm on Sunday June 23, 2019 @01:34PM (#20257198)
One nice solution would be a search engine that throws out anything related to commerce or linking to commerce.
Re:The internet is an SEO landfill by alltakendamned on Sunday June 23, 2019 @02:29PM (#20257668)
Not entirely throwing out commerce, but I sometimes use https://millionshort.com/ where you can remove up to the top 1 million websites from the results.
Re:The internet is an SEO landfill by dorgo on Sunday June 23, 2019 @03:18PM (#20258060)
lol, if this becomes popular then everybody needs to reverse their seo efforts and optimize for position 1 million instead.
Re:The internet is an SEO landfill by jen729w on Sunday June 23, 2019 @04:50PM (#20258565)
Amazing! This does something that I wish they would all do — allows me to block a site.

I never, ever, for any reason, want to see results from the Daily Mail. I don’t even care if it’s the most relevant content: I just never want to see that site in my results. I know I can block it in hosts or whatever, but that’s not what I want. I don’t even want to see the link.

I wish DDG would give me this option.

Re:The internet is an SEO landfill by rchaud on Monday June 24, 2019 @10:53AM (#20264108)
I feel the same about sites like inc.com, fastcompany.com, entrepreneur.com, forbes.com. They are the absolute worst, shallowest content for business journalism, but they're right at the top of search results, and their blogspam fills up my Pocket "Discover" recommendations.
Re:The internet is an SEO landfill by Anthony-G on Sunday June 23, 2019 @05:10PM (#20258686)
Hey, thanks. That's a great site! You get some very interesting search results and – even better – there's no third-party JavaScript or other trackers.
Re:The internet is an SEO landfill by rdiddly on Sunday June 23, 2019 @02:47PM (#20257803)
Jeez, that's surprisingly (and kind of tragically) effective!
Re:The internet is an SEO landfill by jacquesm on Sunday June 23, 2019 @03:22PM (#20258090)
Thank you, I already knew about it but had somehow forgotten.
Re:The internet is an SEO landfill by orkon on Sunday June 23, 2019 @01:37PM (#20257227)
Then the search engine itself would be probably thrown away :-D
Re:The internet is an SEO landfill by SomeOldThrow on Sunday June 23, 2019 @01:49PM (#20257339)
My favorite parts of the internet have no relation to ads or commerce at all.... including wikipedia. When you’re looking for information commerce is a massive distraction.
Re:The internet is an SEO landfill by snlnspc on Sunday June 23, 2019 @01:50PM (#20257348)
sadly true, but an open source engine like searx could be made to do such a thing
Re:The internet is an SEO landfill by Chico75 on Sunday June 23, 2019 @02:23PM (#20257633)
The real cost is in the infrastructure needed to run it unless you go full P2P
Re:The internet is an SEO landfill by ofrzeta on Sunday June 23, 2019 @06:08PM (#20258989)
There's YaCy already: https://yacy.net
Re:The internet is an SEO landfill by mythrwy on Sunday June 23, 2019 @02:49PM (#20257812)
It's important enough, and currently wastes enough of my time (read: SEO crap, Medium and Reddit are top results for... everything) that I'd happily pay for a good search engine!
Re:The internet is an SEO landfill by CodeWriter23 on Sunday June 23, 2019 @02:35PM (#20257717)
Yes, Search could use some Bittorrent-like disruption.
Re:The internet is an SEO landfill by MR4D on Sunday June 23, 2019 @02:38PM (#20257740)
I wonder though - is too much of the P2P universe now mobile devices instead of regular computers that it wouldn’t be feasible?
Re:The internet is an SEO landfill by WrtCdEvrydy on Sunday June 23, 2019 @02:46PM (#20257792)
P2P can be done on mobile but you're fighting against limited resources (storage, bandwidth, CPU). The reason P2P got good on PC is because storage got cheaper, bandwidth was increasing and CPUs kept getting faster.
Re:The internet is an SEO landfill by MR4D on Monday June 24, 2019 @07:11PM (#20269497)
Right. So texting on P2P is easy and appropriate, but I can’t see how building a search engine on P2P would really work well given those limited resources.
Re:The internet is an SEO landfill by edoceo on Sunday June 23, 2019 @02:33PM (#20257696)
P2P it is then!
Re:The internet is an SEO landfill by tomcam on Sunday June 23, 2019 @02:19PM (#20257609)
How could it be sustained? Search engines are expensive to run.
Re:The internet is an SEO landfill by pmoriarty on Sunday June 23, 2019 @02:25PM (#20257646)
It could be a subscription service.
Re:The internet is an SEO landfill by swayvil on Sunday June 23, 2019 @02:40PM (#20257752)
Agreed. Much like a spam-filter. Seems straightforward enough. What am I missing?
Re:The internet is an SEO landfill by Gene_Parmesan on Sunday June 23, 2019 @02:55PM (#20257866)
What you're missing is the fact that larch search engine companies have no profit motive to do this. They get the vast amount of their money from commercial ad sales -- ads for commercial results. Why would they purposefully castrate their highest paying customers?

And if you think the answer is to create and host a new, independent engine, you will be hard pressed to develop a good one, and to find the money to keep it running.

Re:The internet is an SEO landfill by swayvil on Sunday June 23, 2019 @03:27PM (#20258122)
user smt88 offered a fabulous idea :

>Wikipedia is basically an information search engine without commerce or social media. The problem is that your results page is the article itself, and you need to scroll to the bottom to get to an external site.

>It's theoretically possible to change the UI or analyze Wikipedia to make a pretty solid search engine powered by millions of person-years of curation.

Re:The internet is an SEO landfill by jasode on Sunday June 23, 2019 @04:41PM (#20258524)
>user smt88 offered a fabulous idea : >Wikipedia is basically an information search engine without commerce or social media. The problem is that your results page is the article itself, and you need to scroll to the bottom to get to an external site.

Using wikipedia as a data source for a "search engine" does not fulfill gp's (jacquesm) request of "One nice solution would be a search engine that throws out anything related to commerce or linking to commerce."

For example, go to the wikipedia page for the film "Groundhog Day" and look at the external links: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Groundhog_Day#External_links

- one of the external links points to IMDB.com -- a commercial website owned by Amazon.

- another link points to Punxsatawney Groundhog Club website that's advertising a $30 beer tasting event (Hogtoberfest).

- another link points to a souvenir shop

To continue the example of commercial links, a lot of math articles on wikipedia point to MathWorld which has advertising for the commercial Wolfram Mathematica software package.

IMO, I don't believe a search engine based on wikipedia's list of external sites (even with ignoring the commercial links) is going to be useful for the mainstream audience. I probably do 50+ searches on google every single day and maybe 1% might be answerable from a "wikipedia search". For example, I needed a DIY answer to disassemble a Moen faucet and Wikipedia has zero articles with those instructions. In contrast, the Google (and Youtube) search results has the information I was looking for even though it has the unwanted ads and "content marketing" blogs from plumbing brands.

Re:The internet is an SEO landfill by swayvil on Sunday June 23, 2019 @02:59PM (#20257915)
How about a layer over Google? Take Google's search results and filter them. Any obvious barriers to that?
Re:The internet is an SEO landfill by jasode on Sunday June 23, 2019 @03:22PM (#20258087)
>Any obvious barriers to that?

Rate limits.[0]

One can't really build a robust and comprehensive (server-side) search engine on top of Google's search API. In other words, Google Inc isn't going to provide an API so powerful that one can build an "alternative to Google" with it.

On the other hand, if you're talking about a "client-side" filter instead of a new search engine, (e.g. a client-side webscraper that flips through the Google results pages), you'd run into multiple problems. E.g. random CAPTCHAS screwing up the automation script, and the difficulty of creating a "rules engine" (e.g. machine learning) on your local computer that recognizes blog articles with a commercial slant.

[0] https://www.google.com/search?q=google+search+api+rate+limit

Re:The internet is an SEO landfill by swayvil on Sunday June 23, 2019 @03:30PM (#20258135)
see user smt88's idea above.
Re:The internet is an SEO landfill by tyingq on Sunday June 23, 2019 @03:19PM (#20258064)
They are pretty aggressive about detecting that and throwing up captchas.
Re:The internet is an SEO landfill by swayvil on Sunday June 23, 2019 @03:30PM (#20258136)
see user smt88's idea above.