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Re:Amazon Hit by Extensive Fraud with Hackers Siphoning Merc... by jdavis703 on Thursday May 09, 2019 @10:48PM (#19874628)
My partner recently had her Amazon account comprised. The scammers ordered a “random” pair of white socks for $20 that showed up at our door.

Since the fraudsters never received the package I don’t think they gained anything directly by stealing from my partner’s debit card. So that made me think, how could they be gaining from this? I’m assuming some unscrupulous merchants or “marketing consultants” are using this kind of fraud to boost sales for themselves or their clients.

Re:Amazon Hit by Extensive Fraud with Hackers Siphoning Merc... by segmondy on Friday May 10, 2019 @12:15AM (#19875002)
That's the beginning, so this is how it works. You get some random order at your house for $5-$20 with USPS deliver confirmation. Then you start getting billed for $90 every 30 days but nothing really shipped. When you realize it, it might have been 6 months. They fight the dispute claiming you ordered and agreed to a $5-$20 trial and subscription every 30 days. They claim they will cancel the subscription but you're liable for the other billings. They show proof that delivery was made with USPS delivery confirmation for that first order.
Re:Amazon Hit by Extensive Fraud with Hackers Siphoning Merc... by pkaye on Friday May 10, 2019 @01:32AM (#19875318)
Then you ask for the USPS delivery confirmation for the remaining shipments.
Re:Amazon Hit by Extensive Fraud with Hackers Siphoning Merc... by gliop on Friday May 10, 2019 @08:20AM (#19877022)
Being right is different from convincing the people in power to give your money back.
Re:Amazon Hit by Extensive Fraud with Hackers Siphoning Merc... by pkaye on Friday May 10, 2019 @03:31PM (#19881411)
However if multiple victims are making this claim the Amazon or your credit card company will investigate and reimburse the money.
Re:Amazon Hit by Extensive Fraud with Hackers Siphoning Merc... by colanderman on Thursday May 09, 2019 @11:15PM (#19874754)
Or the merchants are the scammers. That's $20 for probably $5 of raw product. Even if the merchants are paying the scammers a portion, that's a good profit.
Re:Amazon Hit by Extensive Fraud with Hackers Siphoning Merc... by stef25 on Friday May 10, 2019 @03:52AM (#19875924)
You'd need high volume to make it worthwhile and the amount of chargebacks leading to one merchant would make them look pretty suspicious.
Re:Amazon Hit by Extensive Fraud with Hackers Siphoning Merc... by vegiraghav on Friday May 10, 2019 @12:40AM (#19875095)
Or scammers decided to sell socks.
Re:Amazon Hit by Extensive Fraud with Hackers Siphoning Merc... by JoshTriplett on Friday May 10, 2019 @12:28AM (#19875051)
Could also have been a credit card "test" purchase.
Re:Amazon Hit by Extensive Fraud with Hackers Siphoning Merc... by HenryBemis on Friday May 10, 2019 @05:28AM (#19876299)
I would agree to that. Nightmare scenario - this is the beginning of identity theft/fraud. The baddies now know: who you are, what you shop, home address (and probably phone number), habits, age/gender. All a good setup for a bad story.

Also if you don't aggresively react to this (e.g. file a complaint, get your money back etc) they also get the info that you don't pay so much attention to these details, and that puts a bigger target in your head.

Re:Amazon Hit by Extensive Fraud with Hackers Siphoning Merc... by pbhjpbhj on Friday May 10, 2019 @05:43AM (#19876365)
Also they presumably get notification about the delivery, so they have an idea if you're home to collect. If then they send a large delivery and notify "leave in yard" they've a pretty good idea an associate can drive past and pick it up once the "delivered" notification comes in.
Re:Amazon Hit by Extensive Fraud with Hackers Siphoning Merc... by latchkey on Friday May 10, 2019 @12:42AM (#19875101)
Please let your partner know that Amazon also supports 2FA, which would have likely prevented her account from being compromised.
Re:Amazon Hit by Extensive Fraud with Hackers Siphoning Merc... by thefounder on Friday May 10, 2019 @03:46AM (#19875900)
And don't forget to tell him that 2fa is pretty useless...no better than a random password
Re:Amazon Hit by Extensive Fraud with Hackers Siphoning Merc... by latchkey on Friday May 10, 2019 @08:01AM (#19876920)
If you are referring to SMS based 2FA, then that is definitely an issue. If someone is able to hijack your phone number to receive the notifications, then you are going to be in trouble.

Token based 2FA is another story though... it definitely adds another layer of security to your passwords and amazon supports this format.

In the case of the OP's partner, my guess is that either they were phished into revealing their Amazon password or their password for Amazon was the same password used elsewhere and that source was hacked.

Re:Amazon Hit by Extensive Fraud with Hackers Siphoning Merc... by thefounder on Friday May 10, 2019 @10:41AM (#19878196)
I'm not talking about SMS. What you need is U2F not 2FA.
Re:Amazon Hit by Extensive Fraud with Hackers Siphoning Merc... by latchkey on Saturday May 11, 2019 @12:52AM (#19884634)
Doing a bit more reading and now I can clarify terminology...

2FA is a general term. U2F is a type of 2FA. The other type, which is what I was referring to, is TOTP (Time-based one time password).

You are right that U2F is more secure. The primary security advantage is that there is no longer a shared secret that needs to be stored on each end. But saying 2FA is useless would be like also saying that U2F is useless since 2FA is a general term.

That said, in this case, TOTP would have likely prevented anyone from accessing the OP's partners account. Therefore, TOTP is not useless per your original comment.

Re:Amazon Hit by Extensive Fraud with Hackers Siphoning Merc... by thefounder on Sunday May 12, 2019 @06:42AM (#19891164)
Check this[] starting at 18:55. It explains the issue and the fix for OTP/TOTP. What you need is a u2f device/key/app and web auth. It takes the responsibility to identify if the website is fake or not from you which is really the core issue. The secret is negotiated directly with the u2F device/sec key.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=kGGMgEfSzMw&time_continue=1271

Re:Amazon Hit by Extensive Fraud with Hackers Siphoning Merc... by leowoo91 on Friday May 10, 2019 @05:05AM (#19876225)
Isn't 2FA short lived and related to an additional device? What makes you think it's not effective?
Re:Amazon Hit by Extensive Fraud with Hackers Siphoning Merc... by thefounder on Friday May 10, 2019 @10:40AM (#19878186)
2FA is already mandatory on Amazon. How well did that work? What you need is U2F.
Re:Amazon Hit by Extensive Fraud with Hackers Siphoning Merc... by latchkey on Saturday May 11, 2019 @12:59AM (#19884652)
It is only mandatory for sellers.
Re:Amazon Hit by Extensive Fraud with Hackers Siphoning Merc... by thefounder on Sunday May 12, 2019 @06:30AM (#19891120)
Yeah, and what's the subject of this post?
Re:Amazon Hit by Extensive Fraud with Hackers Siphoning Merc... by point78 on Friday May 10, 2019 @05:34AM (#19876323)
Can you explain further
Re:Amazon Hit by Extensive Fraud with Hackers Siphoning Merc... by thefounder on Friday May 10, 2019 @10:42AM (#19878202)
2FA is just another password(albeit temporary). What you need is U2F