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Re:Why the U.S. Chills Its Eggs and Most of the World Doesn'... by taneq on Friday May 03, 2019 @12:17AM (#19815486)
Because they scrub the protective coating off them, making them much more vulnerable to spoiling. #stopclickbait

Australia only started washing eggs recently, in the last 10-20 years. Before then you could leave eggs on the bench for 2+ weeks with no issues, now they need to be refrigerated if you're going to keep them longer than a couple of weeks. It's silly.

Re:Why the U.S. Chills Its Eggs and Most of the World Doesn'... by sutterbomb on Friday May 03, 2019 @01:17AM (#19815777)
Is that really a clickbait headline? I mean sure it’s phrased as a question, but you can’t just put a whole lede as the headline.
Re:Why the U.S. Chills Its Eggs and Most of the World Doesn'... by krageon on Friday May 03, 2019 @02:56AM (#19816169)
It's a simple question with a simple answer, yet it sounds curious and draws you in. The answer really shouldn't surprise you at all. In fact, you could be forgiven for reading and coming out on the other side of your reading experience asking yourself "why did I read this again?". If that is not clickbait, then what is it?
Re:Why the U.S. Chills Its Eggs and Most of the World Doesn'... by twelve40 on Friday May 03, 2019 @07:15AM (#19817308)
> really shouldn't surprise you

It did surprise me very much since I don't know much about that field, and the article itself had a lot more curious/useful/new to me info like, quote, "We don't have massive [food safety] issues on either side of the Atlantic. Both methods seem to work" that expanded on the title. I hate clickbait as much as anyone else, but this didn't look like it.

Re:Why the U.S. Chills Its Eggs and Most of the World Doesn'... by sutterbomb on Saturday May 04, 2019 @03:21AM (#19824981)
The criteria for clickbait can't be "some people may already know this". Congrats for having all this knowledge before reading the article though.
Re:Why the U.S. Chills Its Eggs and Most of the World Doesn'... by xref on Friday May 03, 2019 @03:12AM (#19816219)
Also the article says the coating is scraped off, but then the eggs are sprayed with oil to make them non-porous again which I hadn’t heard before
Re:Why the U.S. Chills Its Eggs and Most of the World Doesn'... by Benjamin_Dobell on Friday May 03, 2019 @12:32AM (#19815574)
From the article:

> Why go to the trouble of washing eggs? A lot of it has to do with fear of salmonella.

> [...]

> eggs contaminated with salmonella are responsible for about 142,000 illnesses a year in the U.S., according to the Food and Drug Administration

Re:Why the U.S. Chills Its Eggs and Most of the World Doesn'... by TheRealPomax on Friday May 03, 2019 @12:45AM (#19815636)
So let me get this straight: back in 2014, despite egg washing being a practice for decades, there were STILL 142,000 people getting ill from them each year?

Sounds like 2014 had some solid data on the fact that it was a pointless practice.

Re:Why the U.S. Chills Its Eggs and Most of the World Doesn'... by Benjamin_Dobell on Friday May 03, 2019 @12:53AM (#19815683)
Surely you'd need to know how many people get Salmonella poisoning from non-washed eggs (either historically or elsewhere in the world) to draw this conclusion.
Re:Why the U.S. Chills Its Eggs and Most of the World Doesn'... by onion2k on Friday May 03, 2019 @02:12AM (#19815974)
Here in the UK we don't wash our eggs as part of the production process. We have a "British Lion" safety mark on British-produced eggs as part of our food standards. Recently they were declared safe to eat raw even if you're pregnant as there were no cases of salmonella linked to them in 2016.
Re:Why the U.S. Chills Its Eggs and Most of the World Doesn'... by zaarn on Friday May 03, 2019 @02:22AM (#19816018)
Germany had 12'000 cases of salmonella in 2016, 14'000 in 2017. USA has 300 Megacitizens, Germany 80. Germany vaccinates the chickens and does not wash or refrigerate eggs in the supermarket.

So, atleast in germany, you're 3 times less likely to get infected by salmonella, relative to the population.

I would however note that there is no reliable statistic on how many of those are due to eggs and how many are from other sources, considering meat and other products can carry it as well.

Re:Why the U.S. Chills Its Eggs and Most of the World Doesn'... by lagadu on Friday May 03, 2019 @02:57AM (#19816174)
You can just look towards most of Europe for that data, only a few countries wash their eggs here.
Re:Why the U.S. Chills Its Eggs and Most of the World Doesn'... by TheRealPomax on Friday May 03, 2019 @12:46PM (#19819994)
Surely the rest of the world not washing their eggs means that you have those statistics freely available from any number of modern record-keeping nations, like France, the UK, Germany, the Netherlands, and so on and so forth?
Re:Why the U.S. Chills Its Eggs and Most of the World Doesn'... by cameldrv on Friday May 03, 2019 @01:10AM (#19815752)
What's even more amazing is that we address Salmonella by washing eggs rather than vaccinating hens. In many European countries, all laying hens are vaccinated, and you can make and eat raw eggs in all kinds of great things like chocolate mousse without worrying about Salmonella.
Re:Why the U.S. Chills Its Eggs and Most of the World Doesn'... by TheRealPomax on Saturday May 04, 2019 @06:13PM (#19829723)
It's genuinely baffling.
Re:Why the U.S. Chills Its Eggs and Most of the World Doesn'... by cm2012 on Friday May 03, 2019 @01:15AM (#19815770)
EU has a higher salmonella rate than the USA.
Re:Why the U.S. Chills Its Eggs and Most of the World Doesn'... by zaarn on Friday May 03, 2019 @02:25AM (#19816034)
Germany (not the EU) has a 3 times lower salmonella rate than the US (https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=19816018)
Re:Why the U.S. Chills Its Eggs and Most of the World Doesn'... by ar0 on Friday May 03, 2019 @02:30AM (#19816059)
Do you have a source for this? It seems to be difficult to get exact numbers on this, but the BBC quotes data (for the UK and for “developed European countries”, whatever that means, so not exactly for the EU, and comparing to North America instead of just the US) that seem to suggest the opposite: https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-47440562
Re:Why the U.S. Chills Its Eggs and Most of the World Doesn'... by AlisdairO on Friday May 03, 2019 @01:23AM (#19815792)
Uk, which does this properly, has a vastly lower rate.
Re:Why the U.S. Chills Its Eggs and Most of the World Doesn'... by cameldrv on Friday May 03, 2019 @02:09AM (#19815965)
In the U.K., from roughly 1995 to 2008, the number of vaccinated chickens went from 0% to 85%, and the rate of Salmonella went down by about 87.5%.

https://www.foodsafetynews.com/2013/01/poultry-vaccinations-...

Re:Why the U.S. Chills Its Eggs and Most of the World Doesn'... by The_suffocated on Friday May 03, 2019 @04:23AM (#19816550)
The interviewee in the news report you've mentioned was probably cherry-picking. She said that "the number of laboratory-confirmed cases of illness dropped from more than 18,000 in 1993 to just 459 in 2010", but that 459 figure is most likely an outlier. According to Annual Epidemiological Report for 2016: Salmonellosis (https://ecdc.europa.eu/sites/portal/files/documents/AER_for_...), there were 8K to 10K confirmed Salmonella cases per year in the UK from 2012 to 2016.

On the other hand, according to Galiş et al. (2013), "Control of Salmonella Contamination of Shell Eggs—Preharvest and Postharvest Methods: A Review" (https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1111/1541-4337.1...), vaccination of chickens against Salmonella is _banned_ in Ireland. Yet, the country has the second lowest incidence rate of Salmonellosis (5.6-7.1 cases per 10K population over the five-year period 2012-2016, second only to Portugal) among all countries in the EU. In contrast, the incidence rates in the UK over the same period were significantly higher (12-15 cases per 10K).

Why are the Irish figures so low? Perhaps the Irish eat fewer eggs than the others. Perhaps most Salmonella infections are due not to eggs, but to other contaminated foods or poor kitchen hygiene. While vaccination of chickens against Salmonella is effective against egg-based Salmonella infection alone, without a detailed breakdown of numbers, we cannot tell what's its impact on the overall incidence rate.

Re:Why the U.S. Chills Its Eggs and Most of the World Doesn'... by cameldrv on Friday May 03, 2019 @03:22PM (#19821424)
You can look at the study she's referencing to the interviewer. It's pretty persuasive. Take a look at Figure 1. https://academic.oup.com/cid/article/56/5/705/347767

I'm not saying that the only way to control Salmonella is vaccination, but it is clearly an extremely effective method.

Re:Why the U.S. Chills Its Eggs and Most of the World Doesn'... by ars on Friday May 03, 2019 @01:25AM (#19815801)
It's not the washing that does anything, it's the fridge - it keeps the salmonella from growing.

Other countries immunize their chickens. In the US only about half the chickens are immunized.

Re:Why the U.S. Chills Its Eggs and Most of the World Doesn'... by zaarn on Friday May 03, 2019 @02:24AM (#19816026)
The washing does to something; eggs have a protective layer on the outside. Washing them removes it. With this layer, an egg cannot be invaded by bacteria after it's been laid.

Vaccinating the chickens and keeping the eggs unwashed is basically as much natural protection as you can get from nature, washing them means you have to protect the egg yourself a lot more, otherwise salmonella and other bacteria can infect it.

Re:Why the U.S. Chills Its Eggs and Most of the World Doesn'... by ars on Friday May 03, 2019 @03:22AM (#19816252)
I'm sorry, but that is just not factually correct.

> With this layer, an egg cannot be invaded by bacteria after it's been laid.

They spray mineral oil, which works just as well. This layer the chicken leaves is just some oil, not magic. You do NOT need to refrigerate washed eggs in the US. You just don't.

Try it if you don't believe me. Take some eggs and leave them out for 2 months - they'll be just fine.

> washing them means you have to protect the egg yourself a lot more, otherwise salmonella and other bacteria can infect it.

See this is not factual either. Salmonella infects the eggs before they are laid, not after. That's why vaccinating the chickens works.

And as I said above, there is no additional protection needed with washed eggs.

Refrigerating eggs in the US is SOLELY to keep salmonella from multiplying inside the eggs. Despite what this article says it is NOT about washing the eggs which is simply done because they have unsightly feces on them, that's all.

Re:Why the U.S. Chills Its Eggs and Most of the World Doesn'... by rincebrain on Friday May 03, 2019 @01:53AM (#19815904)
This is genuinely incredible to me - with all the problems the US (among others) has with using broad-spectrum treatments to improve animal growth, we can't be bothered to vaccinate them?
Re:Why the U.S. Chills Its Eggs and Most of the World Doesn'... by kwhitefoot on Friday May 03, 2019 @02:21AM (#19816015)
Costs money!
Re:Why the U.S. Chills Its Eggs and Most of the World Doesn'... by londons_explore on Friday May 03, 2019 @02:50AM (#19816145)
Is the vaccine patented?

If not, someone ought to be able to make a big spinning needle-wheel to vaccinate chicks at a rate of 10 per second from a big bucket of vaccine.

If there's a patent, you can bet it'll be billed at a couple of dollars per dose, which is totally infeasable when 1 cent per chick can be the profit margin.

Re:Why the U.S. Chills Its Eggs and Most of the World Doesn'... by ars on Friday May 03, 2019 @05:13AM (#19816752)
The vaccine costs $0.01 per chicken. And no, that's not a typo. Labor is a bit more, but not much - it's done in bulk by spraying it.

Buy some here: https://www.valleyvet.com/ct_detail.html?pgguid=FBE23AC3-EB6...

$41.40 for 5,000 doses.

Re:Why the U.S. Chills Its Eggs and Most of the World Doesn'... by londons_explore on Friday May 03, 2019 @06:04AM (#19816977)
Actually still sounds quite expensive... Like that's more than the cost of the drinking water or electricity for lighting for the whole life of the chicken...
Re:Why the U.S. Chills Its Eggs and Most of the World Doesn'... by TheRealPomax on Friday May 03, 2019 @12:52PM (#19820044)
But that's not how you do cost benefit analysis. If the cost to vaccinate a chicken is one or even several cents per chicken, then you're calculating the price offset based on the total yield of that chicken, i.e. the eggs that chicken produces.

Production chickens have a one day laying cycle, so you get about an egg a day, for about a year before production drops off to less than that. So that's 5 cents on a minimum of 350 eggs (more if the chicken is kept despite production drop-off), which would be a staggeringly irrelevant price increase per egg if vaccination would be legislated into being a mandatory practice.

Which it should be.

Years ago.

Re:Why the U.S. Chills Its Eggs and Most of the World Doesn'... by bl4ckneon on Friday May 03, 2019 @03:32AM (#19816294)
Bro, if you think this is click bait then you clearly never looked at buzz feed or listicle websites. Sure there is a simple answer but this is an article explaining the history of it not a quora question...
Re:Why the U.S. Chills Its Eggs and Most of the World Doesn'... by taneq on Friday May 03, 2019 @04:03AM (#19816449)
It's a headline which leads with a question but doesn't give the answer, forcing you to click on it. Is that not the definition of clickbait? I mean sure, it's not as egregious as BuzzFeed et. al. but it still meets the criteria.
Re:Why the U.S. Chills Its Eggs and Most of the World Doesn'... by vinay427 on Friday May 03, 2019 @05:14AM (#19816755)
This is similar to saying books titled "Why ML is successful for image processing" or "How to meditate in a busy world" (both examples presumably don't exist) are clickbait because they state the question they are answering without the answer. It seems almost irresponsible to boil down an answer as long-winded as that in this article into a few words.
Re:Why the U.S. Chills Its Eggs and Most of the World Doesn'... by hasahmed on Friday May 03, 2019 @02:05AM (#19815944)
The article delivers on the title. That's good enough for me
Re:Why the U.S. Chills Its Eggs and Most of the World Doesn'... by gingabriska on Friday May 03, 2019 @02:47AM (#19816126)
Can't we achieve same effect by just washing eggs before consumption?

I always wash the eggs I receive from farm under running water before I cook them into omelette.

Re:Why the U.S. Chills Its Eggs and Most of the World Doesn'... by justasitsounds on Friday May 03, 2019 @12:34AM (#19815586)
I can't recall ever seeing refrigerated eggs in Australia. Where do you find them?
Re:Why the U.S. Chills Its Eggs and Most of the World Doesn'... by nkozyra on Friday May 03, 2019 @12:38AM (#19815603)
The refrigerator?
Re:Why the U.S. Chills Its Eggs and Most of the World Doesn'... by philliphaydon on Friday May 03, 2019 @12:39AM (#19815616)
I left Australia 8 years ago but the 5 years living there, they were never refrigerated... never seen eggs in fridges :S
Re:Why the U.S. Chills Its Eggs and Most of the World Doesn'... by kqr on Friday May 03, 2019 @01:24AM (#19815798)
This is interesting. Scandinavia is mentioned as another refrigerating part of the world, yet as a Swede, I don't think I've ever seen cold eggs in stores. On the other hand, virtually everyone I know buys room-temperature eggs, get home, and promptly put them in the fridge.
Re:Why the U.S. Chills Its Eggs and Most of the World Doesn'... by NeedMoreTea on Friday May 03, 2019 @02:09AM (#19815961)
The theory goes - and it may be part urban myth - is that you should not refrigerate eggs if the shops in your country don't. There'll have been no refrigeration at any point in the supply chain. Frost free fridges are extremely dry and will shorten the fresh lifespan of the eggs as the shell isn't perfectly air tight, and supposedly - this may be the part that's urban myth - can also damage the natural protective coating.

Certainly we've never had problems with eggs staying fresh in the cupboard for months, and would never put them in the fridge. Course it's not common to get that old, but we often go past the 2 weeks best before date. First thing to do with a new fridge is throw away the pointless egg tray. :)

Re:Why the U.S. Chills Its Eggs and Most of the World Doesn'... by sgc on Friday May 03, 2019 @10:48AM (#19818918)
At least in Italy it is stamped on the package to refrigerate after purchase.
Re:Why the U.S. Chills Its Eggs and Most of the World Doesn'... by ahje on Friday May 03, 2019 @02:47AM (#19816130)
Ditto in Finland. Eggs are stored on shelves, unrefrigerated.

The eggs from the chickens my wife and I raise on the farm can be stored for about 4 weeks at room temperatures. Probably more, but we usually use the eggs or trade them away long before that.

Putting a six-pack of eggs in the refrigerator is one thing though. If you have larger quantities than that, it's rather unpractical (and unnecessary) to store them in a refrigerator.

Re:Why the U.S. Chills Its Eggs and Most of the World Doesn'... by hunter2_ on Friday May 03, 2019 @01:30AM (#19815814)
Off topic: I think the OTOH idiom is for weighing opposing facts. You aren't doing that here: the lack of store refrigeration and the room temp purchase are equivalent. Being mentioned is the opposite, but that was in a distant clause.

I won't say the usage is definitely wrong (being English, after all), but it struck me as interesting.

Re:Why the U.S. Chills Its Eggs and Most of the World Doesn'... by kqr on Friday May 03, 2019 @02:27AM (#19816046)
I put the blame squarely on my lack of patience for editing on the phone. You're right, of course. I started writing one thing and then changed my mind partway through the sentence.
Re:Why the U.S. Chills Its Eggs and Most of the World Doesn'... by Broken_Hippo on Friday May 03, 2019 @03:34AM (#19816313)
I'm in Norway: All of the eggs are refrigerated in the stores around here. Oddly enough, I asked my soon-to-be Norwegian spouse about this before I moved here from the US just because I read a similar article.
Re:Why the U.S. Chills Its Eggs and Most of the World Doesn'... by asjo on Friday May 03, 2019 @01:09PM (#19820197)
In Denmark eggs in supermarkets are in fridges with the milk etc., and people usually keep eggs in their fridges at home as well.
Re:Why the U.S. Chills Its Eggs and Most of the World Doesn'... by adamtulinius on Friday May 03, 2019 @02:23AM (#19816023)
Danish supermarkets refrigerate eggs, but the eggs are also unwashed. It's probably the same in Sweden :)
Re:Why the U.S. Chills Its Eggs and Most of the World Doesn'... by afiori on Friday May 03, 2019 @02:58AM (#19816179)
That sounds unusual, unwashed refrigerated eggs collect moisture in the trip form the shop to home that allows some of the pathogens to pass through the shell
Re:Why the U.S. Chills Its Eggs and Most of the World Doesn'... by prawn on Friday May 03, 2019 @02:35AM (#19816079)
Pretty sure they're in open-fronted cooled shelving or refrigerators in every supermarket I visit in Adelaide.
Re:Why the U.S. Chills Its Eggs and Most of the World Doesn'... by taneq on Friday May 03, 2019 @02:07AM (#19815949)
Where are you from? I'm in Perth, maybe we're different to "over east"?
Re:Why the U.S. Chills Its Eggs and Most of the World Doesn'... by SyneRyder on Friday May 03, 2019 @02:39AM (#19816092)
Perth here too, and Coles has a non-refridgerated aisle of eggs at the two Coles stores I usually shop at. I've always kept eggs in the fridge after buying them, though.

Now I'm intrigued how different stores / Woolies / Aldi handle this...

Re:Why the U.S. Chills Its Eggs and Most of the World Doesn'... by taneq on Friday May 03, 2019 @02:48AM (#19816132)
Huh, weird. The Woolies, Coles and IGA near me all have them refridgerated. We don't bother keeping them in the fridge when we get home but that's because a dozen will only last a few days.
Re:Why the U.S. Chills Its Eggs and Most of the World Doesn'... by stevejb on Friday May 03, 2019 @12:38AM (#19815609)
Just bought some from Coles.
Re:Why the U.S. Chills Its Eggs and Most of the World Doesn'... by sundvor on Friday May 03, 2019 @12:49AM (#19815667)
But at Coles, they're not sold in refrigerated sections. At least the ones I've been to in Melbourne.

Bought free range eggs at Coles yesterday. I still put them in the fridge when I get home out of habit; not sure why now. :)

Edit: Found this article, probably inspired by TFA linked to story. https://www.businessinsider.com.au/should-you-refrigerate-eg...

Re:Why the U.S. Chills Its Eggs and Most of the World Doesn'... by helloindia on Friday May 03, 2019 @01:44AM (#19815865)
I stopped refrigerating eggs, when i found out I can make better fried eggs if they're at room temperature. :)

"if you keep your eggs in the fridge, then you should let them come to room temperature before cooking – if you start with a cold egg, then you're more likely to end up overcooking the yolk trying to get the white to set."

https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/wordofmouth/2012/no...

Re:Why the U.S. Chills Its Eggs and Most of the World Doesn'... by bdamm on Friday May 03, 2019 @02:10AM (#19815968)
Huh. Now here's news I can use!
Re:Why the U.S. Chills Its Eggs and Most of the World Doesn'... by sundvor on Friday May 03, 2019 @06:50AM (#19817182)
Ah. Thanks! That explains so many failed fried eggs.. :)
Re:Why the U.S. Chills Its Eggs and Most of the World Doesn'... by stevejb on Friday May 03, 2019 @12:58AM (#19815719)
I'm in Queensland. At the Coles I go to, they are definitely refrigerated. I have been to NSW ones where they aren't. Maybe in Queensland it is policy. That seems plausible.
Re:Why the U.S. Chills Its Eggs and Most of the World Doesn'... by skissane on Friday May 03, 2019 @02:07AM (#19815951)
I live on NSW Central Coast. Woolworths at Gosford has them in the fridge; five minutes down the road at Coles Wyoming, they are not refrigerated.
Re:Why the U.S. Chills Its Eggs and Most of the World Doesn'... by zaphirplane on Friday May 03, 2019 @01:16AM (#19815775)
Perhaps because it’s hotter in Queensland
Re:Why the U.S. Chills Its Eggs and Most of the World Doesn'... by askvictor on Friday May 03, 2019 @12:48AM (#19815660)
Some Coles seem to have them in the fridge, though most seem to still be at room temperature. Same at Woolies I think (don't shop there much though)
Re:Why the U.S. Chills Its Eggs and Most of the World Doesn'... by tus87 on Friday May 03, 2019 @01:15AM (#19815769)
Woolworths. I believe Coles has them on a normal shelf.
Re:Why the U.S. Chills Its Eggs and Most of the World Doesn'... by ars on Friday May 03, 2019 @01:20AM (#19815786)
I'm in the US and I don't refrigerate my eggs. I haven't in years. They last for months.
Re:Why the U.S. Chills Its Eggs and Most of the World Doesn'... by bdamm on Friday May 03, 2019 @02:12AM (#19815976)
We also are in the US and don't refrigerate. Because, we get a lot of our eggs from our neighbors, who have a dozen hens. Interestingly, my wife is from a farming background and never refrigerates the eggs, and I am from a city background (Canada, actually) and habitually refrigerate my eggs like I was taught to do as a child.