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Re:Much of the “science” used in design is bullshit (2014) by andybak on Friday April 26, 2019 @08:12AM (#19756602)
I will never tire of reminding people of this: https://www.cbsnews.com/news/pepsis-nonsensical-logo-redesig...
Re:Much of the “science” used in design is bullshit (2014) by lqet on Friday April 26, 2019 @09:54AM (#19757471)
The PDF linked in the article [0] is pure gold.

> C. The investment in our DNA leads to breakthrough innovation and allows us to move out of the traditional linear system and into the future

> BREATHTAKING is a strategy based on the evolution of 5000+ years of shared ideas in design philosophy creating an authentic Constitution of Design.

> B. Magnetic Fields: Magnetic fields exert forces on inner and outer surfaces of the Earth.

> B. Pepsi Energy Fields: Symmetrical energy fields are in balance.

> C. Magnetic Dynamics: Magnetic field are impacted by sun radiation and wind motion.

> C. The Pepsi Globe Dynamics: Emotive forces shape the gestalt of the brand identity.

Also, take a look at the deconstruction of the old Pepsi logos into arbitrary ellipses ("Perimeter Oscillations") on pages 8ff.

It gets increasingly surreal ("Light Path with Gravitational Pull" vs "Gravitational Pull of Pepsi", "Relativity of Space and Time" vs "Pepsi Proposition / Pepsi Aisle", difference between a "Pepsi Galaxy" and a "Pepsi Universe", ...) on the last pages.

Dimensionalize exponentially.

[0] https://jimedwardsnrx.files.wordpress.com/2009/02/pepsi_grav...

Re:Much of the “science” used in design is bullshit (2014) by cocochanel on Friday April 26, 2019 @09:57AM (#19757507)
This PDF is hilarious. How can anyone get away with so much bullshit is beyond me.
Re:Much of the “science” used in design is bullshit (2014) by VectorLock on Friday April 26, 2019 @11:08AM (#19758286)
I can't tell if this is real or not. It feels like the Turbo Encabulator of design.
Re:Much of the “science” used in design is bullshit (2014) by rospaya on Sunday April 28, 2019 @06:39PM (#19774188)
It's one step away from VX junkies.

https://www.reddit.com/r/VXJunkies/

Re:Much of the “science” used in design is bullshit (2014) by bena on Friday April 26, 2019 @05:34PM (#19761964)
Because no one is really reading it. It's not there to be read. It's there to exist. You can't pay 7 figures for a simple image file. No. There must be "a reason" for that logo to look like that. So you get someone to drum up a few pages of bullshit to justify paying 7 figures for it.

And the sad thing is that everyone knows it's bullshit on some level. But I'm not paying 7 figures without getting handed that bullshit, and you're not charging 7 figures without being able to create it.

Re:Much of the “science” used in design is bullshit (2014) by RosanaAnaDana on Friday April 26, 2019 @04:01PM (#19761274)
I would pay a million dollars for this as a piece of performance modern art.
Re:Much of the “science” used in design is bullshit (2014) by kevin_thibedeau on Friday April 26, 2019 @01:10PM (#19759660)
They need to justify the spend for the execs with something that looks like it took more than 100 man hours to work out.

What I'm curious about is how much these design agencies recycle their stock bullshit for different clients. Just swap in different logos. Restyle with the new palette of pretentiously named colors. Apply the new commissioned font and voila, you have a rebranding document the C levels can feel chuffed about.

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Re:Much of the “science” used in design is bullshit (2014) by gridlockd on Friday April 26, 2019 @02:31PM (#19760524)
I wouldn't assume that. In these echelons, people are generally aware that they're all bullshitting each other.
Re:Much of the “science” used in design is bullshit (2014) by aerique on Friday April 26, 2019 @05:50PM (#19762073)
I'm curious why your perfectly fine comments are being downvoted.
Re:Much of the “science” used in design is bullshit (2014) by sarcasmOrTears on Friday April 26, 2019 @01:16PM (#19759722)
Money laundering? Tax breaks? Not in this case but as a general rule where there is a big, weird, transfer of money
Re:Much of the “science” used in design is bullshit (2014) by ubertakter on Friday April 26, 2019 @11:09AM (#19758297)
I just skimmed through the PDF (not that it has much content). I can't believe someone paid for that. Clearly I'm in the wrong business.
Re:Much of the “science” used in design is bullshit (2014) by gridlockd on Friday April 26, 2019 @02:33PM (#19760541)
Make no mistake, it's a lot of work to get to the point where you get to be the one to charge Pepsi a million dollars for a logo.
Re:Much of the “science” used in design is bullshit (2014) by megablast on Friday April 26, 2019 @11:39PM (#19763625)
Creating the bullshit in the PDF is the easy bit, getting someone to pay for it is the hard bit.
Re:Much of the “science” used in design is bullshit (2014) by scott_s on Friday April 26, 2019 @10:31AM (#19757874)
That document is astounding. My jaw dropped, literally, on some pages.
Re:Much of the “science” used in design is bullshit (2014) by logfromblammo on Friday April 26, 2019 @12:43PM (#19759381)
> "Emotive forces shape the gestalt of the brand identity."

This is where I lost it.

And that's when they literally started building a "tiny brain, normal brain, enlightened brain, galaxy brain, universe brain" meme, out of freaking Pepsi logos.

Re:Much of the “science” used in design is bullshit (2014) by bsanr2 on Friday April 26, 2019 @12:20PM (#19759148)
I can't possibly be the only one here who understands what they were getting at, right? It seems silly but it's pretty obvious that they're just trying to get at the intentions and associations behind their aesthetic decisions. It's only as absurd as human pattern-seeking behavior is in general.
Re:Much of the “science” used in design is bullshit (2014) by andybak on Saturday April 27, 2019 @10:31AM (#19765718)
> I can't possibly be the only one here who understands what they were getting at, right?

It was both accurate and profound.

Unfortunately the parts that were accurate were trivial and the parts that were profound were incorrect.

Re:Much of the “science” used in design is bullshit (2014) by nearbuy on Saturday April 27, 2019 @02:11AM (#19764091)
The pdf author thinks a light year is a speed and the universe expands at f(x) = e^x. Someone was copying stuff they didn't understand off the internet.
Re:Much of the “science” used in design is bullshit (2014) by Kalium on Friday April 26, 2019 @12:35PM (#19759301)
Oh, I definitely get what they're getting at. They just wrapped it up in way, way more window-dressing than was remotely justified. It makes the whole thing look farcical.
Re:Much of the “science” used in design is bullshit (2014) by heavenlyblue on Saturday April 27, 2019 @05:36PM (#19767778)
Well, you could take that literally, or you could take that as a marketing draft, where every idea written in the PDF would later be used as part of advertising.

Bullshit is what makes good video adverts rememberable. It just has to be unique bullshit.

Re:Much of the “science” used in design is bullshit (2014) by davemp on Friday April 26, 2019 @03:49PM (#19761163)
My favorite is:

    C. The Pepsi Globe Dynamics
         Emotive forces shape the gestalt of the brand identity.
Re:Much of the “science” used in design is bullshit (2014) by Waterluvian on Friday April 26, 2019 @08:31PM (#19762947)
I didn't even know those words were allowed to be together.
Re:Much of the “science” used in design is bullshit (2014) by hn_throwaway_99 on Friday April 26, 2019 @09:13AM (#19757051)
Apparently that branding company is also active on the Wikipedia page for the logo:

> The subliminal advertising involved with the Pepsi Globe logo is also extensive. The different logos and packaging designs are purported to represent the human body, rediscovery of the Vitruvian principles and their publication, Chinese art of placement and spatial arrangement and many other representations that may not seem clear or obvious from just a glance at a Pepsi Bottle. The most famous visual representation is the Pepsi Globe logo’s representation of The Earth. The swirling horizontal stripe running through the center of the globe is claimed to provide a visual representation of the earth’s constant movement around its own axis and around the sun. The stripe also represents a naturally occurring electric generator in fluid motion generating and sustaining the magnetic field of the Earth. This marketing has resulted in an extremely recognizable logo and an aid to a profitable venture.

Re:Much of the “science” used in design is bullshit (2014) by naravara on Friday April 26, 2019 @10:37AM (#19757963)
This sounds like someone just cribbed off their syllabus from design school to write up a brief.
Re:Much of the “science” used in design is bullshit (2014) by 99052882514569 on Friday April 26, 2019 @08:22AM (#19756675)
It still amazes me that they're persisting with the fat-belly logo. It looks like a fat dude with his belly hanging out. It's not something that, once seen, can ever be unseen, even years later. Makes me chuckle on the inside, every time, and plays its part in reminding me of dangers of pop over-consumption.
Re:Much of the “science” used in design is bullshit (2014) by spking on Friday April 26, 2019 @08:26AM (#19756705)
Re:Much of the “science” used in design is bullshit (2014) by rchaud on Friday April 26, 2019 @12:56PM (#19759538)
I never thought of it as a fat-belly logo, the mockup is pretty funny. I always thought of the logo as similar to a tennis ball. In my country, I remember Pepsi giving away blue/red coloured 3x tennis ball packs with a cases of Pepsi.
Re:Much of the “science” used in design is bullshit (2014) by hopler on Friday April 26, 2019 @08:40AM (#19756800)
Every abstract logo can be interpreted in many ways if people culture jams it.
Re:Much of the “science” used in design is bullshit (2014) by pndy on Friday April 26, 2019 @11:17AM (#19758383)
I was literally stunned how MS Office team was announcing icon redesign for their suite and how some part of the community was mindlessly applauding this breathtaking change as improvement in their lives: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YplAU5myNP4

Sure, it's something that looks new and good - minding how current icons are having a rather simple style to put it mildly, but that's not a technological advancement like introducing Ribbon interface in Office 2007. And sadly, that's how MS, Apple and others are trying to portray all these barely significant UI changes - as features.

Don't get me wrong, good looking UI is important but I'd be happy if cosmetic changes would remain cosmetic changes and be treated as such. I can appreciate visual improvements and work by myself and I don't need, want to be instructed by marketing teams to feel "enthusiastic" about such changes.

Re:Much of the “science” used in design is bullshit (2014) by ZebZ on Friday April 26, 2019 @02:04PM (#19760246)
That icon video was nothing.

They, literally, went full-on action movie for Office 2010.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VUawhjxLS2I

Re:Much of the “science” used in design is bullshit (2014) by pndy on Friday April 26, 2019 @02:15PM (#19760361)
Oh my.
Re:Much of the “science” used in design is bullshit (2014) by mrhappyunhappy on Saturday April 27, 2019 @03:38AM (#19764362)
Speechless.
Re:Much of the “science” used in design is bullshit (2014) by GuB-42 on Friday April 26, 2019 @08:12PM (#19762862)
Incidentally, that video is very nice for showing off global illumination in 3D rendering.
Re:Much of the “science” used in design is bullshit (2014) by kevin_thibedeau on Friday April 26, 2019 @01:31PM (#19759894)
Visio and Access: Kicked to the curb.
Re:Much of the “science” used in design is bullshit (2014) by granshaw on Friday April 26, 2019 @10:49AM (#19758093)
I can imagine the thinking on Pepsi's procurement end after all said and done:

"Oh yeah, looks like a modern version of our old logo - good! Seems like there's some golden-ratio-ey stuff behind it too which will have subliminal effects - bonus! Price is abit steep but only exceeds our budget by 10% - don't wanna cheap out either, so let's take it!"

Re:Much of the “science” used in design is bullshit (2014) by VectorLock on Friday April 26, 2019 @11:08AM (#19758282)
Seems like money well spent in the butt covering department. If their new logo flopped and someone in charge said "I paid some designer $1000 to draw up this new logo" he'd be out of a job and blackballed from the industry. If he says "we spent a million dollars building this logo and had a study done to back it up!" then who can blame him we never saw this coming.
Re:Much of the “science” used in design is bullshit (2014) by bsanr2 on Friday April 26, 2019 @12:02PM (#19758940)
That's almost certainly what's happening. The pricing of logo design and branding is about how much it's worth to the client and how much risk the designer is taking on [0]. This design firm put its name on a logo for an international corporation worth billions of dollars and people made fun of it for looking like a fat dude; that's a major embarrassment whose potentiality was probably considered in the pricing.

The same people chuckling at how nonsensical the design document is supposed to be (and it really isn't) are probably the same people who could talk your ear off about the esoteric particulars of a given programming language or management strategy, which are also, to some degree, subjective BS couched in jargon and seeming non sequiturs.

0 - https://youtu.be/RKXZ7t_RiOE

Re:Much of the “science” used in design is bullshit (2014) by Balgair on Friday April 26, 2019 @03:25PM (#19760982)
Oh man, it reads just like timecube: http://timecube.2enp.com/

Per the last 'update' of Gene's:

"In 1884, meridian time personnel met

in Washington to change Earth time.

First words said was that only 1 day

could be used on Earth to not change

the 1 day marshmallow. So they applied the 1

day and ignored the other 3 days.

The marshmallow time was wrong then and it

proved wrong today. This a major lie

has so much boring feed from it's wrong.

No man on Earth has no belly-button,

it proves every believer on Earth a liar."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uMZdNyRIATo

Re:Much of the “science” used in design is bullshit (2014) by sizzle on Friday April 26, 2019 @02:43PM (#19760635)
If any of you enjoy brand critics tearing apart corporate brand and identity redesigns, check out Brand New, the reader comments section is gold:

https://www.underconsideration.com/brandnew/

Re:Much of the “science” used in design is bullshit (2014) by jbduler on Friday April 26, 2019 @10:59AM (#19758194)
Thank you @andybak, you made my day. Truly admirable document! This is the highest concentration of BS I have ever seen. I have to check who was the VP Marketing and CEO of Pepsi were at the time. They deserve a place in history for having bought that pipedream.
Re:Much of the “science” used in design is bullshit (2014) by magicalhippo on Friday April 26, 2019 @12:02PM (#19758945)
Someone took the Post-modern Essay Generator[1] to a whole new level it seems...

http://www.elsewhere.org/pomo/

Re:Much of the “science” used in design is bullshit (2014) by itronitron on Friday April 26, 2019 @11:48AM (#19758743)
Pepsi is a global brand, $1M is on the low end for a redesign of their primary logo.
Re:Much of the “science” used in design is bullshit (2014) by ummonk on Friday April 26, 2019 @12:14PM (#19759078)
The amount of money is fine; the quality of services rendered for that money is a joke.
Re:Much of the “science” used in design is bullshit (2014) by barbecue_sauce on Friday April 26, 2019 @05:13PM (#19761787)
I dunno. Not only did they get a logo, they got a pretty great historical document.
Re:Much of the “science” used in design is bullshit (2014) by Toine on Friday April 26, 2019 @08:59AM (#19756962)
Thanks for sharing, didn't know the story. Absolutely astonishing.
Re:Much of the “science” used in design is bullshit (2014) by rramadass on Monday April 29, 2019 @05:32AM (#19776957)
What in the world? This can't be real!

And just a couple of days ago there was a paper and discussion on "Bullshitters" on HN.

Re:Much of the “science” used in design is bullshit (2014) by barbecue_sauce on Friday April 26, 2019 @05:02PM (#19761711)
Re:Much of the “science” used in design is bullshit (2014) by wnevets on Friday April 26, 2019 @02:56PM (#19760741)
This always comes to my mind when I have to speak to someone in marketing.
Re:Much of the “science” used in design is bullshit (2014) by barbecue_sauce on Friday April 26, 2019 @05:11PM (#19761766)
Marketing as a discipline is mostly about numbers (reach, sales, etc.). Ad buys and campaigns. This... this is the work of "Creative Professionals".
Re:Much of the “science” used in design is bullshit (2014) by westmeal on Saturday April 27, 2019 @05:14PM (#19767678)
I immediately CTRL+F'd pepsi to look for this.