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Re:Phone Addicts Are the New Drunk Drivers by wcarron on Tuesday April 09, 2019 @07:57PM (#19620269)
As others have said, as a motorcyclist, my number one concern on the road is a person using their mobile device while driving. I am less worried about road rage (which is still a top concern for me) than distracted drivers.

I see it literally hundreds of times a day. People are driving their cars at over 70mph while texting. They use instagram and facebook at stoplights. They text or call while driving too fast down residential roads. They cause traffic delays because they don't accelerate at a green light for many seconds after the car in front of them has.

I have seen them hit other cars and narrowly miss pedestrians in crosswalks, completely oblivious half the time that they nearly murdered someone.

If I pull up next to them and tell them to put their phone down by pantomime, half the time they flip me off, laugh, or lay on their horn. They do not think they are doing anything wrong and that I am the asshole for telling them to put the phone down.

Distracted drivers are murderers. Distracted drivers are guilty of reckless endangerment. Distracted drivers need to be punished with prejudice. It is statistically more dangerous than driving intoxicated.

Re:Phone Addicts Are the New Drunk Drivers by alexktz on Tuesday April 09, 2019 @09:42PM (#19620961)
I emigrated from the UK to USA last September and the number of people I see on the freeway here with their phone in their hands is a constant source of amazement for me.

As a keen road cyclist in the UK I actually have bought an off-road bike because I simply don't trust US drivers.

In fact, the standard of driving here is frankly appalling. Tailgating and speeding is rampant. Lane surfing is rife. Couple that with just generally less safety street furniture at intersections and the laughably easy driving tests it's frightening really.

People say self driving cars are a danger, frequently the media report every Autopilot crash but what about the hundreds every day caused by some idiot texting? IMHO the sooner we take the distracted meatbag out of the driving equation, the better. I'm a car guy who just did a 2000 mile roadtrip to the Tail of the Dragon but this has to stop.

More enforcement and stricter penalties. Social stigma might be more powerful than this though.

Re:Phone Addicts Are the New Drunk Drivers by cylinder on Wednesday April 10, 2019 @01:03AM (#19621993)
I just came back to the US for a visit and was absolutely gobsmacked at the wide level of texting/phone usage while driving. People weren't even making an effort to hide it or using hands-free cradles. Just full on swiping and looking down while driving on freeways and at traffic lights. It felt like a surreal dystopian nightmare.
Re:Phone Addicts Are the New Drunk Drivers by webninja on Wednesday April 10, 2019 @11:52PM (#19631024)
Well, it becomes more unsafe if you hide it from cops. It’s much safer to hold your phone up so that your peripherals can still see the road lines instead of looking down where you can’t see anything.

Yes it’s pretty common, I see phones in driver’s hands about 25-40% in my local area.

Re:Phone Addicts Are the New Drunk Drivers by nojvek on Tuesday April 09, 2019 @10:08PM (#19621140)
I am guilty of this. What I wish to see is a better device that doesn’t distract the attention from the road.

A better voice input so I don’t have to type.

The biggest distraction is a notification comes and you want to see what it is.

But you are right. The best soln is not to use your phone.

Re:Phone Addicts Are the New Drunk Drivers by rapind on Wednesday April 10, 2019 @01:03AM (#19621996)
I admire the bravery it takes to admit it, and so I'll abstain from judgement.

To help you put it in perspective though, simply ask yourself if you'll stop caring about the notifications the day after running into a pedestrian or a cyclist.

Re:Phone Addicts Are the New Drunk Drivers by bradgessler on Tuesday April 09, 2019 @11:34PM (#19621596)
Please turn this on if you have an iPhone: https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT208090
Re:Phone Addicts Are the New Drunk Drivers by Phillipharryt on Tuesday April 09, 2019 @10:15PM (#19621188)
Honest question. Why do you feel you need any device when driving? Other than for navigation I suppose. As a confessed user do you actually feel it's important to have access to a device while you drive?
Re:Phone Addicts Are the New Drunk Drivers by nojvek on Wednesday April 10, 2019 @01:02AM (#19621990)
I like to be connected I guess. Waiting in traffic sucks, it’s boring as hell. My commute is 1.5 hours each way.

To be honest, I want a self lane following car. Reliably keep distance from car in front, keep the current lane, don’t exceed speed limit. Don’t bumps into objects, stop on traffic lights

5 simple things. I feel like this should be doable reliably in the next decade.

I don’t want to drive. I don’t have another more convenient option.

Re:Phone Addicts Are the New Drunk Drivers by alexktz on Wednesday April 10, 2019 @12:05PM (#19626027)
I have all these features in a 2016 Golf GTI (except traffic light one). The future isn't that far away for the masses.
Re:Phone Addicts Are the New Drunk Drivers by piva00 on Wednesday April 10, 2019 @11:34AM (#19625691)
So you want better public transportation.
Re:Phone Addicts Are the New Drunk Drivers by austhrow743 on Wednesday April 10, 2019 @06:32AM (#19623346)
Navigation and spotify. I wish there was a way to skip tracks using the volume buttons on the side or something like that to get rid of the need to look at the screen while doing it. Presumably that would drop the dangerous level down to that of fiddling with a radio.
Re:Phone Addicts Are the New Drunk Drivers by wcarron on Wednesday April 10, 2019 @01:44PM (#19627044)
Agreed on every count. In LA, where I am, drivers leave only 2-3 car lengths following distance even when traveling over 100/120kmh. It's incredibly dangerous, and one can't really even try to leave proper following distance because someone will just think "that's an open space" and merge in, putting everyone in danger. It's the __default__ behavior and it enrages me.

Social stigma is great; but I write to my state and federal representatives every quarter of the year about this specific issue. I want distracted driving to be treated as an equal offense to driving drunk.

At the very least, real enforcement and stiffer fines need to happen in order for any changes to take place.

Re:Phone Addicts Are the New Drunk Drivers by webninja on Wednesday April 10, 2019 @11:47PM (#19630999)
I think the real danger isn’t so much the user’s sending a text. It’s the engaged user’s watching news streams, Facebook video’s, Tiktok video’s, YouTube, Snapchat Stories, or playing video games and such while driving.
Re:Phone Addicts Are the New Drunk Drivers by dasKrokodil on Wednesday April 10, 2019 @04:46AM (#19622903)
What is lane surfing?
Re:Phone Addicts Are the New Drunk Drivers by aicioara on Wednesday April 10, 2019 @05:51AM (#19623182)
I assume continuously changing lanes on a 4+ lane road, such that you don't rear bump fellow drivers. This must be done if you're driving at 130 mph, while the rest go at 70. At those relative speed differences, the rest of the cars look stationary. (note the sarcasm)
Re:Phone Addicts Are the New Drunk Drivers by dangravell on Wednesday April 10, 2019 @07:49AM (#19623693)
I'm not sure what lane surfing is. But aside from the 130mph remark - changing lane to maintain speed is how you're supposed to drive on a motorway/freeway. So long as you're within the speed limit, of course. Braking is a freeway anti-pattern.
Re:Phone Addicts Are the New Drunk Drivers by alexktz on Wednesday April 10, 2019 @08:18AM (#19623860)
In the UK passing on the right (well left for us of course) is illegal and called undertaking. I know it's not illegal here but it still winds me up!

I think it's actually really quite dangerous to have cars passing you on both sides when you're already going 5 over to "fit in". It'd be much better if like in Europe people pulled out to overtake and back in when done and that lane surfers had a little a patience now and again. A few seconds really does not matter. Especially when you overtake them 5 mins later as they're texting anyway!!

Re:Phone Addicts Are the New Drunk Drivers by jvreagan on Wednesday April 10, 2019 @02:49PM (#19627636)
If you are being passed on the right in the US then you are doing it wrong. Slower traffic keep right except to pass. By your definition, you're in the wrong lane.

Lane surfing happens in the US because people here don't understand how to drive on freeways. It is non-existent in Germany because drivers there know how to drive.

I used to live in Seattle, a perfect example of a city that has enough freeway but still has traffic jams because people drive cluelessly. Not just my opinion, but the opinion of traffic enforcement in Washington.

And people on their phones while driving just make the situation worse.

Re:Phone Addicts Are the New Drunk Drivers by glenneroo on Wednesday April 10, 2019 @12:57PM (#19626584)
I believe this is true in most of Europe - stay to the right except when passing, which you do on the left.

On the other hand, some cities (such as LA) have off-ramps on both the left and right sides, not to mention many multi-lane freeway interchanges located on both sides... combined with Google Maps telling you at the last minute that you need to be in the left 3 lanes, followed by immediately being in the right-most lane in order to get on the right freeway. Almost every visit to LA requires 1 or 2 retries on a few of these freeways. When I'm not constrained for time, I often opt for much slower side streets to avoid the utter insanity of some interchanges.

Re:Phone Addicts Are the New Drunk Drivers by arprocter on Wednesday April 10, 2019 @10:59AM (#19625345)
>undertaking. I know it's not illegal here

I believe it varies state to state.

Agree that the US test is laughably easy to pass compared to the UK, though.

It wouldn't be possible to undertake if folks had proper lane discipline in the first place, although the UK also has it's fair share of Middle Lane Morons

I've heard speak of 'the orbit game' - legally pass the MLM on the left, then pull across into the right lane, slow down so they pass you, then pull into the right lane and pass them again, see how many times you can 'orbit' them

Re:Phone Addicts Are the New Drunk Drivers by checkyoursudo on Wednesday April 10, 2019 @01:17PM (#19626785)
I was in a car where the driver was stopped for prolonged driving in the passing lane in a US midwestern or plains state. This was maybe 25 years ago, but this has been a violation in at least one state at some point.
Re:Phone Addicts Are the New Drunk Drivers by arprocter on Thursday April 11, 2019 @11:36AM (#19635663)
Same thing happened to my SO in MA a few months ago - I told her she deserved it

No ticket though. They probably use it as an excuse to pull people over to try and ding them for other stuff

Re:Phone Addicts Are the New Drunk Drivers by dangravell on Wednesday April 10, 2019 @02:50PM (#19627643)
Yep,if that's what is meant by lane surfing then that would be a bad idea too. I was referring to lane discipline.
Re:Phone Addicts Are the New Drunk Drivers by coleifer on Tuesday April 09, 2019 @10:38PM (#19621312)
Motorcyclist as well, and yes, I watch for the characteristic head-bob and try to take extra care around people on their phone. I've once or twice made a "hang-up" gesture but who am I kidding, it doesn't make a difference.

Now, the worst part: about a month ago I got pulled over for texting and driving. I wasn't even thinking about it. The cop said, "were you texting?" And I said, "I don't think so, let me check"... pulled up my phone.. yeah a half-written text to a friend. I got a ticket and have kept my phone in my pocket since then.

Something funny happens. I would think, "ah I'll just check that message, maybe it's important?" Or, "I've got to tell someone something" and out comes the phone. Mindless. Or maybe I think I can drive and text, it's those other clowns that are the dangerous ones. I'm glad I got the ticket. I deserved it. I think it helped me connect my actions to real life consequences. Glad it was just a ticket and not a wreck.

Re:Phone Addicts Are the New Drunk Drivers by wcarron on Wednesday April 10, 2019 @01:47PM (#19627076)
Good on you for admitting your mistakes and making a change to avoid making the same one again.

Sometimes I'll get so fed up with people that, at a stoplight, I'll actually get off my bike and knock on their windows and tell them to put the phone down. All black visor and gear makes one intimidating enough for them to stop for a few hundred yards. Better than nothing, I suppose.

Re:Phone Addicts Are the New Drunk Drivers by coleifer on Thursday April 11, 2019 @07:24PM (#19640327)
You do what you want, but I don't think that's a helpful way to act. It might give you a rush, a little feeling of control, but if you come at someone aggressively like that and they think theyre just minding their own business, now you've just riled them up for no reason. Just adding more anger into the world.
Re:Phone Addicts Are the New Drunk Drivers by i_am_proteus on Tuesday April 09, 2019 @09:00PM (#19620682)
Amen, brother.

I used to be on a white R1200RS and I'd get mistaken for CHP in California. It was amusing to see them try to hide their phones when I'd honk at them.

A lot less amusing when they'd wander into my lane, oblivious. Every single close call I've had in the last year of riding has been from a motorist operating a cell phone.

I'm nearly of a mind to roll a helmet cam and start a Twitter account with footage of these people, along with their plates and a CHP tag. I haven't done it yet because that would take my riding focus away from steering the safest path. But it seems like it's gotten worse lately, and there doesn't seem to be much enforcement.

Re:Phone Addicts Are the New Drunk Drivers by btrettel on Tuesday April 09, 2019 @09:58PM (#19621066)
I ride a bicycle with a helmet cam and I don't think the helmet cam has made me ride any less safe. It's quite rare that I'll look somewhere for the specific purpose of recording something. I'd fully recommend it to motorcyclists and bicyclists.

The helmet cam also has been quite useful for "post-mortems" of close calls. I can replay the video and think about what I should have done differently.

Re:Phone Addicts Are the New Drunk Drivers by nradov on Tuesday April 09, 2019 @10:22PM (#19621226)
Do it. If you mount an action camera on your bike it has a wide enough field of view that you can record the idiots while still steering a safe path.
Re:Phone Addicts Are the New Drunk Drivers by wcarron on Wednesday April 10, 2019 @01:37PM (#19626981)
Ha! I just saw a guy wearing a cop-like getup on a white R1200RS and let off the throttle immediately (because Vance and Hines pipes + cop + overpass == possible $1k ticket). Totally thought he was a cop until I passed him.

I would love it if you started that account, but safety first. I'm about to splurge on a helmet cam, myself.

It __does__ seem to have gotten worse lately. The only cops I've ever seen enforce it are... you guessed it, motorcycle cops. Cops in cruisers don't do shit in my area.

Re:Phone Addicts Are the New Drunk Drivers by Schwolop on Wednesday April 10, 2019 @02:54AM (#19622447)
I'm a motorcyclist as well, and I've often wondered about trying to pitch a vigilante hardware product to our police force. I'd build a product around a button that when pressed marks the previous 15s plus the next 15s of helmet-cam footage as a candidate, then uploads that somewhere when the camera is next being charged. If the police would accept a clear camera recording of a numberplate plus a person using their phone, they could make back the cost of supplying the hardware to any motorcyclist who offers to be a vigilante in a matter of days.
Re:Phone Addicts Are the New Drunk Drivers by guitarbill on Wednesday April 10, 2019 @12:30PM (#19626296)
In Seattle, the police literally couldn't care less. They've even stopped enforcing penalties for people blocking crossings/the box. When the police decide not to enforce laws, in any other country that is called corruption. I now have a helmet-cam for walking into work. Even with clear footage of people running red lights and almost mowing over pedestrians, the police won't do shit. It'll take a wave of pedestrian deaths for anything to change.
Re:Phone Addicts Are the New Drunk Drivers by plmpsu on Wednesday April 10, 2019 @03:12AM (#19622513)
Israel has this kind of pilot governmental program in place:

https://www.rsa.org.il

(Hebrew)

Re:Phone Addicts Are the New Drunk Drivers by Schwolop on Wednesday April 10, 2019 @06:49PM (#19629491)
Thank you, that was very interesting to read through and is a possible avenue to pitch this idea too. Cheers!
Re:Phone Addicts Are the New Drunk Drivers by bradgessler on Tuesday April 09, 2019 @11:38PM (#19621616)
PSA: iOS has a feature that puts your phone into DND while you’re driving. Turn it on if you haven’t and you find yourself tempted to use your device while driving. Maybe it will save a life.

https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT208090

Re:Phone Addicts Are the New Drunk Drivers by duncan-donuts on Tuesday April 09, 2019 @09:01PM (#19620691)
What makes it statistically more dangerous? The volume of drivers doing it? The likelihood of an accident?
Re:Phone Addicts Are the New Drunk Drivers by geddy on Tuesday April 09, 2019 @09:39PM (#19620936)
Statistically because drunk drivers are looking at the road and aren’t seeing everything correctly (or quickly enough), distracted drivers aren’t even looking at the road.

Even if you’re hammered enough to have 5% of your normal driving ability, not looking at the road at all is a straight 0% driving ability. It’s essentially driving with your eyes closed every time you look down.

Re:Phone Addicts Are the New Drunk Drivers by webninja on Wednesday April 10, 2019 @11:58PM (#19631050)
Also specifically when drinking, your frontal cortex of your brain becomes impaired. This is a region associated with reasoning and judgement. Your ability to reason and judge yellow & red lights is noticeably reduced and you become more likely to think you can make it through a light in time. This is why so many of the people T-Boned at intersections were so frequently hit by drunk drivers.
Re:Phone Addicts Are the New Drunk Drivers by MuffinFlavored on Tuesday April 09, 2019 @09:26PM (#19620867)
> It is statistically more dangerous than driving intoxicated.

It might cause more deaths/accidents, but how many more people are driving distracted compared to driving intoxicated?

Re:Phone Addicts Are the New Drunk Drivers by wcarron on Wednesday April 10, 2019 @01:32PM (#19626938)
If I had to guess, probably 100-1000x more people are driving distracted than driving intoxicated.