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Re:Studying the demise of historic civilisations by digitaltrees on Tuesday March 05, 2019 @12:35AM (#19308338)
Get rid of multi generational transfers of wealth. Make each generation start from scratch. I know it's easier said than done as not all assets are fungible or distributable (social networks, geography etc) but it would make a difference. I read recently that the same families that controlled most the wealth in Florence in the 1600 still control most the wealth now, that's probably not good for scrappy innovation.
Re:Studying the demise of historic civilisations by remarkEon on Tuesday March 05, 2019 @12:58AM (#19308419)
>...it would make a difference.

It sure would.

If I wanted to design a system to throw society into abject chaos, basically permanently, I can’t think of a better way than a rule of “make it impossible to build something for your children”.

That idea is anti-family, it’s anti-civil-society, and it’s anti-civilization.

Re:Studying the demise of historic civilisations by mullingitover on Tuesday March 05, 2019 @01:21AM (#19308493)
"My family won't receive huge amounts of my net worth. That doesn't mean they'll get nothing. My children have already received some money from me and Susie and will receive more. I still believe in the philosophy ... that a very rich person should leave his kids enough to do anything but not enough to do nothing."

- Warren Buffett

I think progressive wealth transfer taxes are a perfectly good middle ground.

Re:Studying the demise of historic civilisations by remarkEon on Tuesday March 05, 2019 @01:39AM (#19308555)
I’m sure you’re a reasonable person and could come up with a reasonable tax rate on generational wealth, but I have zero faith that we will elect reasonable people to make these sorts of decisions.
Re:Studying the demise of historic civilisations by TeMPOraL on Tuesday March 05, 2019 @02:22AM (#19308748)
So what you're saying is that the cure will be worse than disease? If that's so, then I guess we agree there's a somewhat concavey-looking function of "limiting generational wealth transfer" -> "sustainable benefit to civilization". Which shifts the problem from "whether to do it at all" to "how to move towards maximum without screwing up". It's a harder problem, but civilization is essentially built of attempts to solve such problem. Here's to hope that maybe our descendants will learn how to do it right.
Re:Studying the demise of historic civilisations by remarkEon on Tuesday March 05, 2019 @03:38AM (#19309107)
>It's a harder problem, but civilization is essentially built of attempts to solve such problem.

I fundamentally, emphatically disagree with this. I think it's a weird rewriting of history to think that "Civilization was built by trying to stop wealth transfers within powerful families".

Do I think a lot of wealth is trapped within a few families, and that might be a problem? Sure. Do I think that the ability to destroy generational wealth transfers is what made Civilization? No, and I think it's absolutely crazy to think so. It ignores every great family in history that did everything from win wars to build railroads.

Re:Studying the demise of historic civilisations by digitaltrees on Tuesday March 05, 2019 @02:58PM (#19313671)
I think their argument was that civilization iterates on solutions to many social problems by adjusting policy over time so that human coordinated behavior is effective. The argument above isn’t focused on wealth transfer in particular.

Civilization experiments with policy. At the extreme, there is a push towards consolidation and monopolies and this is counterbalanced by the rule of a unhappy mob. This causes policy to shift over time.

Re:Studying the demise of historic civilisations by dragonwriter on Tuesday March 05, 2019 @08:26AM (#19310332)
> I think progressive wealth transfer taxes are a perfectly good middle ground.

Wealth transfer is income, so progressive income tax without exempting wealth transfer from income tax would seem the most direct solution.

Re:Studying the demise of historic civilisations by guelo on Tuesday March 05, 2019 @01:26AM (#19308510)
Civilization has been a long struggle to prevent powerful people from passing on their wealth and power to their children. I mean, most of the history of civilization has indeed functioned the way you describe, but many of the achievements of the past few hundred years has been thanks to the monumental effort to strengthen meritocracy, rule of law and democracy in order to limit the transfer of power hereditarily.
Re:Studying the demise of historic civilisations by pasabagi on Tuesday March 05, 2019 @02:22AM (#19308749)
Interesting point. One thing that speaks for the relative harmlessness of hereditary wealth is, what happens when it gets passed on to an insane/idiotic/psychopathic heir. In these cases, it normally gets rapidly redistributed, as the heir wastes their fortune. In the case of normal 'power', it doesn't get really redistributed, so everybody has to deal with Emperor Caligula.
Re:Studying the demise of historic civilisations by coldtea on Tuesday March 05, 2019 @05:25AM (#19309579)
>Interesting point. One thing that speaks for the relative harmlessness of hereditary wealth is, what happens when it gets passed on to an insane/idiotic/psychopathic heir. In these cases, it normally gets rapidly redistributed, as the heir wastes their fortune.

We are past that now. Now we have advisors, funds, elite accountants, and all kinds of dead easy ways to invest and keep huge wealth long term, for even the most inane person. Plus those people are not accountable to anyone. It's not like a hated heir of a royal who has to tread lightly anymore, lest the senate or the people take them down...

In fact, inane people can even make a great fortune from scratch in this era, what with the various famous-for-being-famous celebrities...

Re:Studying the demise of historic civilisations by agent008t on Tuesday March 05, 2019 @07:12AM (#19310003)
Wrong. Keeping wealth long term is difficult.

1. Advisors and accountants do not own the wealth - you set the goals. If you want to spend it or mismanage it, they are not going to stop you.

2. The wealthier you are, the more difficult it is to maintain the real value of your wealth, in general.

3. If you have 3 children, they have 3 children and so on, and you split your wealth equally among your children, even a billion turns into only 5 million within 5 generations - and that is if they manage to maintain its real value over time.

And if they do manage it cleverly and get to keep the real value of the wealth? Great! Society is better off, because that means they allocated capital productively within our society, making the economy more efficient.

Re:Studying the demise of historic civilisations by coldtea on Tuesday March 05, 2019 @08:42AM (#19310410)
While this was quite common (money being squandered after several generations), it's not necessarily as common today among the ultra-rich. Among the upper middle class, yes, it's common to happen.

E.g. maintaining the "real value" is not as much of problem for people having tens of billions (as we increasingly see today). Even if the value drops, they're still multi-billionaires. And diversification strategies today span the globe.

And the "3 children inheritance diffusion" problem is easy to solve: rich people have less kids today than historically.

There's also that:

https://qz.com/694340/the-richest-families-in-florence-in-14...

Re:Studying the demise of historic civilisations by agent008t on Tuesday March 05, 2019 @09:20AM (#19310645)
1. If a family that gets wealthy, stays wealthy, that's great - the number of wealthy families can only go up, so over time there will be more and more wealthy families.

2. If, on the other hand, there is some survivorship bias going on there and wealth rotates a lot, and some members of wealthy families keep their wealth, that is not as good an outcome but it is still not so bad, as it suggests that as a family's culture degrades their wealth will likely degrade as well.

Re:Studying the demise of historic civilisations by hutzlibu on Tuesday March 05, 2019 @07:11AM (#19309995)
"Civilization has been a long struggle to prevent powerful people from passing on their wealth and power to their children. "

The opposite. Civilization invented laws so people could pass their wealth and power to their children, to the point that the absolute head of the state was determined by birth and not by skills.

In precivilized tribal cultures there was inheritance of weapons, tools, tents etc. to childrens and of course it played a role beeing born the chieftains son, but no ruler was born that way. They had to directly earn the respect of the tribe, by proving they are good leaders, before they were accepted. Direct democracy, long before the greek "invented" the concept.

Re:Studying the demise of historic civilisations by remarkEon on Tuesday March 05, 2019 @01:38AM (#19308549)
The exact opposite of this is true. Great leaps forward in Civilization have come from things like Empire, explicitly run by hereditary ruling classes, and technological advances. In today’s world the latter now eclipses the former. There’s no reason, in my mind, to think that that ratio will (or should) remain.
Re:Studying the demise of historic civilisations by Gupie on Tuesday March 05, 2019 @02:38AM (#19308834)
"To ravage, to slaughter, to usurp, they call empire; and where they make a desert they call peace."
Re:Studying the demise of historic civilisations by riffraff on Tuesday March 05, 2019 @01:48AM (#19308591)
and yet the largest improvements in life quality have occurred in the last century, when most of the great empires have fallen.
Re:Studying the demise of historic civilisations by remarkEon on Tuesday March 05, 2019 @02:08AM (#19308680)
And you attribute this fact entirely - as in 100% - to the fall of Empires, and not the technological advancements that happened in parallel?

I find it strikingly hard to believe that democracy, which is what I assume you’re referring to, is the actual imperative that caused this. If we had managed to avoid WWI it’s really difficult to imagine that we’d still be using a horse drawn buggy and a typewriter.

Re:Studying the demise of historic civilisations by gph on Tuesday March 05, 2019 @11:20AM (#19311540)
Eh? Does the sun ever set on American military bases?
Re:Studying the demise of historic civilisations by eeZah7Ux on Tuesday March 05, 2019 @06:44AM (#19309874)
Inequality fueled the French revolution. Getting rid of aristocracy led to modern democracies.

Most European countries have steep inheritance taxes to prevent going back to oligarchy.

Re:Studying the demise of historic civilisations by hutzlibu on Tuesday March 05, 2019 @07:17AM (#19310025)
"Most European countries have steep inheritance taxes to prevent going back to oligarchy."

Which has the problem of course, that the really rich have ways of not beeing affected by those laws too much. Which is not too hard, when the tax-laws are ridiciously complicated with many exceptions for good connected lawyers and many countries on this planet who welcome any people and money as long as they get a small share.

Re:Studying the demise of historic civilisations by jabl on Tuesday March 05, 2019 @08:41AM (#19310399)
That's unfortunately true, but doesn't mean we should just give up and let society slide back to aristocracy & serfs. It's perfectly possible to elect representatives that deal with various tax avoidance schemes (be it corporate or personal).
Re:Studying the demise of historic civilisations by digitaltrees on Tuesday March 05, 2019 @02:52PM (#19313624)
False. There are numerous examples of very high estate tax societies that didn’t descend in to chaos. Are you also for a landed gentry with inherited titles? If not why? Why is one type of property ok to pass down and not the other.

The notion of the “idle rich” spoiled offspring exists for a reason. Nothing kills ambition more than unearned wealth. Obviously there are many counter examples with many wealthy heirs contributing significantly to society. But I would argue that they would behave the same if they inherited less.

As Aristotle roughly said, the mean between extremes is often the right answer. You could completely eliminate any transfer of wealth without social collapse; just like you could have essentially unlimited transfer of wealth with out social collapse: you would just end up with an aristocratic system. The question is what do you want to create.

Re:Studying the demise of historic civilisations by retsibsi on Tuesday March 05, 2019 @04:51AM (#19309420)
That's not the full story, though. The legitimacy of our social structures is based in large part on claims of meritocracy and (imperfectly, but relatively) equal opportunity. Vast inequalities in hereditary wealth make this a very obvious fiction.

People might be happy to overlook this when things are going well for them personally, or when they feel hopeful about the future. When that is no longer the case for a majority, though, the status quo could be just as 'anti-civilization' as extreme redistribution.

Re:Studying the demise of historic civilisations by coldtea on Tuesday March 05, 2019 @05:21AM (#19309557)
>That idea is anti-family, it’s anti-civil-society, and it’s anti-civilization.

As if family is not about loving and preparing your kids for life (and being good citizens etc), but padding their bank accounts so they don't have to work...

Re:Studying the demise of historic civilisations by agent008t on Tuesday March 05, 2019 @07:14AM (#19310014)
If you do the latter, your family will not be wealthy within a few generations, just by dividing the wealth among your children.
Re:Studying the demise of historic civilisations by mnm1 on Tuesday March 05, 2019 @02:28AM (#19308787)
It might be anti your family while being pro 10, 100, or even 10,000 other families, depending on the wealth amassed. That sounds incredibly pro-civilization and pro-society.
Re:Studying the demise of historic civilisations by kolinko on Tuesday March 05, 2019 @03:03AM (#19308966)
Forbidding people from passing on wealth (or anything else) to their children seems inhumane - and wealthy people are still people with emotions and feelings.

Personally, I would sooner accept 90% tax to the rich&living, than 100% tax upon death.

Both are theoretical of course - there is no way to enforce them really without hurting overall society. There is also no need I think. A better solution is to make sure that wealth doesn't give too much unfair privilege, and that basic living conditions are guaranteed to everyone - we are getting closer to this every decade.

Re:Studying the demise of historic civilisations by usrusr on Tuesday March 05, 2019 @03:56AM (#19309181)
I could even see a tax system where you get the choice: pipe your money through the income tax function or leave it in the "tax free now, taxed to oblivion upon death" account, your choice. The "tax free now" account can be used for expenses that would otherwise be deductible, paperwork avoided.
Re:Studying the demise of historic civilisations by mnm1 on Tuesday March 05, 2019 @03:31AM (#19309076)
To be practical, I would allow some transfer of wealth actually but put a marginal tax rate of 100% over say 5 to 10 million, gradually increasing from say 0% at 250k. That seems like a fair compromise. Sure, guaranteeing basic living conditions would be nice, but as we can clearly see right now, there isn't much support for it. This tax would provide plenty of money to get to that goal, however.
Re:Studying the demise of historic civilisations by agent008t on Tuesday March 05, 2019 @07:00AM (#19309948)
Really bad idea. That would encourage people to consume wealth over 5 to 10 million during their lifetimes, i.e. destroy real wealth, instead of investing it in productive enterprises, i.e. building real wealth.

You want a situation where wealthy people build a lot more wealth than they consume. The last thing you want is for them to consume their wealth, making themselves better off but the society overall much, much poorer.

Re:Studying the demise of historic civilisations by jessaustin on Tuesday March 05, 2019 @08:21AM (#19310321)
Lots of rich people madly spending their wealth would be great for GDP. The luxury industries would prosper, and those who work in those industries would also accumulate wealth to spend madly. Those who truly have a vision for improving the world would still get to do that.

Or, maybe... if there were less of an advantage to accumulating wealth, we wouldn't destroy ourselves and the environment quite so madly while doing so. Great fortunes would not be generated, because what would the point be?

ISTM that a rich person who doesn't want her estate to be confiscated upon her death could just divide it among many heirs? If the progressive tax is not levied on the heir rather than the estate, then maybe it should be. Intentional division would destroy dynastic family wealth without wasting it on the frivolous spending of the state.

Re:Studying the demise of historic civilisations by agent008t on Tuesday March 05, 2019 @08:56AM (#19310489)
1. GDP is not a great measure. If a rich person consumes capital by buying a yacht and then burning it, the world is now poorer - resources (human and material) went into building the yacht, and now they are gone. Wealth has been consumed, yet GDP showed an increase.

2. If the world is poorer, it will be able to afford to protect the environment less, not more. The wealthier a nation, or a neighbourhood is, the more it cares about protecting its local environment. For example, as China gets wealthier, it cares more about having cleaner air.

3. Wealth concentration in the right hands is not necessarily a bad thing. Increasing taxation is just concentrating more wealth in the hands of parliaments/governments, which they are unlikely to spend too effectively given that they are spending someone else's money, but yet which still results in some great outcomes (scientific advancements, until recently space flight etc.). Wealth concentration means that great leaps forward can happen in areas that at first are going to be very expensive (medical/longevity research, grand projects like SpaceX, even originally mobile phones etc.)

If you want to tax anything, it is probably better to tax (frivolous) consumption, i.e. wealth destruction, instead of wealth creation.

Re:Studying the demise of historic civilisations by jessaustin on Tuesday March 05, 2019 @09:11AM (#19310573)
If you want to tax anything, it is probably better to tax (frivolous) consumption, i.e. wealth destruction, instead of wealth creation.

Sure, I agree, but we're talking about estate tax ITT.

It's nice to imagine that switching from income taxes to VAT (with appropriate progressive adjustments for the poor) would allow the merely hardworking rather than just the lucky and unscrupulous to accumulate wealth, but it's not clear that would be the case.

Re:Studying the demise of historic civilisations by dragonwriter on Tuesday March 05, 2019 @08:31AM (#19310355)
> That would encourage people to consume wealth over 5 to 10 million during their lifetimes,

No, it would encourage people to conceal wealth transfers as consumptive spending. (Just like existing dedicated wealth transfer taxes—gift and estate taxes—do, but more strongly, and we've seen what people dedicated to transferring wealth, like Fred Trump, already do.)

Re:Studying the demise of historic civilisations by agent008t on Tuesday March 05, 2019 @08:40AM (#19310395)
Of course - people will try to avoid the tax. I was talking about what would happen if the tax functioned as intended.
Re:Studying the demise of historic civilisations by agumonkey on Tuesday March 05, 2019 @01:47AM (#19308589)
legacy is indeed primordial, that said I get the above idea, maybe make it an indirect asset to unlock after some threshold..
Re:Studying the demise of historic civilisations by avinium on Tuesday March 05, 2019 @12:41AM (#19308361)
A death/inheritance tax seems an absolute no-brainer to me - and I consider myself fairly conservative.

That doesn't mean increasing the overall tax burden, either - it could be introduced to offset income tax reductions. It seems much "fairer" to me.

Re:Studying the demise of historic civilisations by baud147258 on Tuesday March 05, 2019 @04:43AM (#19309382)
An inheritance tax exists here in France, you'll get taxed like 25% of the value of an illiquid asset like an appartement. And it's in addition to all the taxes paid on the appartment paid during your life.
Re:Studying the demise of historic civilisations by skookumchuck on Tuesday March 05, 2019 @01:16AM (#19308477)
A fair tax is one that lands on someone else.
Re:Studying the demise of historic civilisations by avinium on Tuesday March 05, 2019 @01:22AM (#19308498)
I'll assume you're being glib.

One of the most attractive features of a death tax is that it applies to everybody. After all, nobody escapes death.

Of course, that doesn't mean it'll be loved universally. Some people just hate taxes. Others don't like the idea of not being able to pass on their life's work to their children.

But most reasonable people understand the need for taxation. It's a lot easier to stomach the tax man dipping into your wallet after you're gone than before.

Re:Studying the demise of historic civilisations by AstralStorm on Tuesday March 05, 2019 @02:47AM (#19308888)
The problem is lack of control. The tax man (politicians, find managers) could make any number of appropriations instead of using the money for society and dead people cannot challenge him. Current living people have less of a stake to do that.
Re:Studying the demise of historic civilisations by Frqy3 on Tuesday March 05, 2019 @06:57AM (#19309935)
Nobody escapes death, but the wealthy can still escape an inheritance tax using a trust fund.
Re:Studying the demise of historic civilisations by skookumchuck on Tuesday March 05, 2019 @06:20AM (#19309785)
> I'll assume you're being glib.

The death tax doesn't apply to everybody, as hardly everybody leave behind a significant estate. Lots of people die with a negative net worth.

The death tax is also often sold as "only affecting estates worth over $xx million", so it safely doesn't apply to the vast majority of voters, it only applies to those they are envious of.

Re:Studying the demise of historic civilisations by glerk on Tuesday March 05, 2019 @12:42AM (#19308368)
What is the point of accumulating wealth over this short life if I can’t leave anything to my children?
Re:Studying the demise of historic civilisations by zanny on Tuesday March 05, 2019 @02:01AM (#19308639)
If you don't exist in a society with preposterously gross amounts of wealth inequality in the modern age your children won't need to roll the genetic lottery of luck to be your kids to live a life without suffering and misery.

People only value the capacity to transfer wealth inter-generationally to such a degree so long as its required to guarantee your children don't live a life of endless toil for meager subsistence wages.

Re:Studying the demise of historic civilisations by marssaxman on Tuesday March 05, 2019 @12:44AM (#19308378)
What is the point of accumulating wealth over this short life?
Re:Studying the demise of historic civilisations by agent008t on Tuesday March 05, 2019 @07:20AM (#19310038)
For one, society benefits from it.

You generally get wealthy by providing goods and services to others. The more you satisfy people's wants and needs, the wealthier you get. The wealth means that these people now owe you.

If you accumulate wealth instead of consuming it, you never take them up on it. You are basically acting altruistically - instead you use their IOUs to provide even more goods and services for others (not yourself) by managing your wealth instead of consuming!

I think it is actually an amazing feature of our civilisation. Wealthy people generally don't use their wealth to build massive monuments to themselves - they tend to invest it into economically productive enterprises that make society wealthier overall.

Re:Studying the demise of historic civilisations by Kaiyou on Tuesday March 05, 2019 @08:57AM (#19310502)
Improving the life of your children, but not - and this is of utmost importance - improving the life of your neighbors children. Because life is a competition.
Re:Studying the demise of historic civilisations by guelo on Tuesday March 05, 2019 @01:27AM (#19308515)
What is the point of your children accumulating wealth?
Re:Studying the demise of historic civilisations by lurcio on Tuesday March 05, 2019 @05:01AM (#19309460)
What is the point of children..?
Re:Studying the demise of historic civilisations by Kaiyou on Tuesday March 05, 2019 @08:59AM (#19310509)
What is the point of life..?
Re:Studying the demise of historic civilisations by gjm11 on Tuesday March 05, 2019 @04:15AM (#19309258)
1. There's something fundamentally strange about this question. Suppose the answer is "there is none"; is that meant to be some sort of absurdity? Perhaps we should spend less effort "accumulating wealth". It might be healthier for us and/or for society.[1]

2. I suspect that no one in this discussion (even those whose words suggest otherwise) want it to be so that you literally can't leave anything to your children. So there's some point in accumulating whatever amount you can leave to them.

3. By and large, I think people accumulate wealth mostly in order to have it. I'd rather have $3M in the bank and know that barring really major upheavals I never have to worry about being poor, than have $0 in the bank and live precariously from one payday to the next. This would be true even if I had no children and no prospect of ever having any. It would be true even with a decent "safety net" ensuring that even if I completely ran out of my own money I'd never be, e.g., at risk of starvation or homelessness.

[EDITED to add:] Wait, there's more.

4. You might accumulate wealth in order to use it for some expensive enterprise. Consider e.g. Elon Musk, who (at least the way he tells it) got rich in order to save the environment and give us the ability to escape to Mars if we need to. I don't know what Warren Buffett's original motivation for getting rich was, but his present alleged intention is to give away almost everything he has for charitable purposes, and he explicitly says he doesn't want to give his children too much. (Though it may well be that "too much" in his sense is much more than 99% of parents could possibly give their children.) The advantage of this sort of use of wealth is that it doesn't suffer from diminishing returns as much as spending the money on yourself does. There's not much I could do with $2B that I couldn't do with $1B, but $2B will save approximately twice the number of lives that $1B will.

5. You might want to turn your wealth into power. Lots of lobbying. Carefully targetted political donations. Make yourself a household name and run for president of the US. Give funds to academics and other potential public intellectuals who happen to have views you want to be more widely heard. With a couple of billion used carefully you can have a big impact on your country, or even on the world as a whole.

[1] Or, of course, it might not; it could be, for instance, that the smooth running of a modern economy depends on a level of acquisitiveness that could never exist if people were getting money only for their own use and not their children's. (As it happens, I think that's unlikely.)

Re:Studying the demise of historic civilisations by onion2k on Tuesday March 05, 2019 @02:27AM (#19308779)
You can spend all that money improving the society they live in.
Re:Studying the demise of historic civilisations by dcow on Tuesday March 05, 2019 @12:46AM (#19308383)
Indeed, why even have children?
Re:Studying the demise of historic civilisations by vixen99 on Tuesday March 05, 2019 @08:56AM (#19310490)
If you haven't a positive answer for that then it's all to the good that perhaps you don't - have children, that is.
Re:Studying the demise of historic civilisations by dcow on Tuesday March 05, 2019 @12:29PM (#19312244)
It’s a rhetorical question.
Re:Studying the demise of historic civilisations by Cthulhu_ on Tuesday March 05, 2019 @09:06AM (#19310546)
I'll bite; Living comfortably, safe, well-fed and long; enjoying luxuries like vacations, media consumption, knowledge accumulation, etc. Being able to give your children a safe home to grow up in, an education so they can build up their own life instead of depend on you and your own accumulated wealth.

I had all this, thankfully, even without my parents being rich. They grew up in a time and area where they could still buy a decently sized house and have children on a single income. They struggled, but they made it.

Thanks to living in a (more) socialist country, taxpayer money paid for my education, allowing me higher social mobility than my parents. Ten or so years into my career, I've paid what was invested in me by the other tax payers a few times over already.

Re:Studying the demise of historic civilisations by HankB99 on Tuesday March 05, 2019 @12:59AM (#19308421)
Power.
Re:Studying the demise of historic civilisations by lurcio on Tuesday March 05, 2019 @05:03AM (#19309471)
Why not cut inequality at the root: prevent children accruing socio-economic advantages from the moment of birth
Re:Studying the demise of historic civilisations by dustingetz on Tuesday March 05, 2019 @06:08AM (#19309737)
honest question when a rich person dies should we destroy all their buildings and companies too so the wealth can’t transfer?
Re:Studying the demise of historic civilisations by ars on Tuesday March 05, 2019 @01:18AM (#19308485)
> Make each generation start from scratch

And how do you prevent people from giving gifts? Parents giving their children a gift of money?

And trusts are a thing, so gift tax would not help as much as you would think.

Re:Studying the demise of historic civilisations by lovich on Tuesday March 05, 2019 @01:34AM (#19308534)
I'd find it much more acceptable if you gave your children your wealth during your lifetime. At least you have to actually give up something rather than passing on all your economic power after you no longer have use for it
Re:Studying the demise of historic civilisations by lukevdp on Tuesday March 05, 2019 @03:53AM (#19309169)
Then people transfer their wealth just before they die?
Re:Studying the demise of historic civilisations by gjm11 on Tuesday March 05, 2019 @04:08AM (#19309232)
While there are ways to make sure that the wealth transfer happens "just before they die" (rather than them living on after giving it away), the law tends to frown upon them.
Re:Studying the demise of historic civilisations by baud147258 on Tuesday March 05, 2019 @04:51AM (#19309416)
And then you'd get laws that limits the wealth that can be given to childrens, like those in France. Yeah for taxes!