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Re:Microsoft’s HoloLens 2: a $3,500 mixed-reality headset fo... by Klathmon on Sunday February 24, 2019 @02:09PM (#19240031)
Yes, but why? What is the limiting factor here, because from my perspective it's only missing a few small things on each platform that would solve it.

I'd be honestly happy with my Rift as-is if they bumped up the resolution a bit, and had some way to see the real world with the headset on (even camera passthrough is fine!).

I've used virtual desktop apps in the Rift, and they aren't bad to use, and playing games like tabletop simulator is so intuitive and nice that I'm floored tht this hasn't been tried commercially yet.

I assume there are some pretty significant hurtles that I'm missing, or maybe the market is still hilariously small at this point, but it just seems so close!

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Re:Microsoft’s HoloLens 2: a $3,500 mixed-reality headset fo... by poutine on Sunday February 24, 2019 @02:16PM (#19240066)
The resolution is way too low. Needs to be 4-16x greater for desktop replacement.

Also the headsets are too hot and bulky to comfortably wear for a full workday.

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Re:Microsoft’s HoloLens 2: a $3,500 mixed-reality headset fo... by andybak on Sunday February 24, 2019 @02:58PM (#19240257)
How old are you if you don't mind me asking? I'm pushing 50 and the real world is rather lacking in resolution nowadays.

I solve this by leaning forward or back. In VR/AR the same thing works.

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Re:Microsoft’s HoloLens 2: a $3,500 mixed-reality headset fo... by poutine on Sunday February 24, 2019 @03:46PM (#19240523)
I'm your age. I find my oculus totally useless for real world work. I'm used to a 4k monitor as a desktop.
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Re:Microsoft’s HoloLens 2: a $3,500 mixed-reality headset fo... by mcbits on Sunday February 24, 2019 @05:20PM (#19241002)
I'm used to a 14" laptop + 21" monitor (resolution doesn't matter), which together occupy maybe 20% of my field of view while using them. If I could take the same quantity of information and arrange it arbitrarily in my environment, eliminating the need for any monitors, it would be a win even if the text had to be larger.
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Re:Microsoft’s HoloLens 2: a $3,500 mixed-reality headset fo... by poutine on Sunday February 24, 2019 @06:39PM (#19241398)
You'd need to move your head a lot to look at stuff. Gets old quickly. Try out the VR desktop on oculus and you'll quickly discover the need for much more dense pixels.
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Re:Microsoft’s HoloLens 2: a $3,500 mixed-reality headset fo... by ipsum2 on Sunday February 24, 2019 @03:14PM (#19240351)
4-16x is an exaggeration. I've tried headsets that are 2x higher resolution than the Rift (i.e. 2k x 2k per eye), and I could view text the same size as my monitor renders.

No doubt 4-16x resolution would be nice, though. True "retina" screens are still at least a decade away.

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Re:Microsoft’s HoloLens 2: a $3,500 mixed-reality headset fo... by zuminator on Sunday February 24, 2019 @04:17PM (#19240665)
But would it need to be a true "retina" screen? The Hololens has cameras that track where your eyes are focused, so the laser image could have a "fovea" that moves with your eye movements so as to retain a high focus region just at the spot you're looking at.
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Re:Microsoft’s HoloLens 2: a $3,500 mixed-reality headset fo... by poutine on Sunday February 24, 2019 @06:41PM (#19241417)
That solves the graphics card horsepower issue. You still need a lot of pixels even if you're not driving all of them at high resolution all the time.
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Re:Microsoft’s HoloLens 2: a $3,500 mixed-reality headset fo... by poutine on Sunday February 24, 2019 @06:43PM (#19241422)
Depends on your preference I suppose. For me it needs to be at least 4x the density of the oculus.
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Re:Microsoft’s HoloLens 2: a $3,500 mixed-reality headset fo... by jpindar on Sunday February 24, 2019 @03:46PM (#19240525)
Back in the day, all monitors were 4-16x less resolution than yours, and we loved them.
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Re:Microsoft’s HoloLens 2: a $3,500 mixed-reality headset fo... by poutine on Sunday February 24, 2019 @06:40PM (#19241411)
Indeed. I was back in that day too. Have no interest in going back to 1080p let alone VGA for daily work.
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Re:Microsoft’s HoloLens 2: a $3,500 mixed-reality headset fo... by thefounder on Sunday February 24, 2019 @02:19PM (#19240077)
For Oculus to be useful as a traditional display it would probably need a higher resolution(i.e 8k per eye), it needs to be wireless, lightweight and possibly use the camera to blend-in the outside environment so that you don't feel trapped in Matrix while you work. It would probably take 5+ years to get there
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Re:Microsoft’s HoloLens 2: a $3,500 mixed-reality headset fo... by leovander on Sunday February 24, 2019 @02:30PM (#19240119)
http://palmerluckey.com/oculus-goblack-how-to-make-your-ocul...
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Re:Microsoft’s HoloLens 2: a $3,500 mixed-reality headset fo... by Klathmon on Sunday February 24, 2019 @08:01PM (#19241850)
But we have the tech to do that right now! Maybe 8k per eye is outside our current capabilities without being ludicrously expensive, but 4k should be doable!

And the rest already exists in other products!

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Re:Microsoft’s HoloLens 2: a $3,500 mixed-reality headset fo... by thefounder on Monday February 25, 2019 @05:34AM (#19244579)
4k is not good enough. What you need is 8k or even 16k(whenever it becomes available) per eye. Otherwise you better stick to a traditional display.
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Re:Microsoft’s HoloLens 2: a $3,500 mixed-reality headset fo... by taeric on Sunday February 24, 2019 @02:17PM (#19240072)
Feature parity. Having one interface that is trying to keep up with and surpass basically all others, is just setting up something that will take a long time to succeed.

Note,I am not claiming it won't succeed. Just that it will take a long time.

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Re:Microsoft’s HoloLens 2: a $3,500 mixed-reality headset fo... by foobiekr on Sunday February 24, 2019 @03:51PM (#19240552)
eye strain.
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