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Re:Reddit's user uprising against China because Tencent will... by newsbinator on Saturday February 09, 2019 @09:46AM (#19122511)
Can you imagine the reaction if a user's post on HN were edited by YC?

I guess it'd be the instant death of the network.

That this action a) happened on Reddit + b) was mostly/quickly forgotten says a lot about the different demographics.

Audiences who largely come for cat pictures and political snark don't have to worry about CEOs breaking the 4th wall.

I've been a Redditor for 9+ years and I still am one. But today's Reddit isn't the one I signed up for.

Re:Reddit's user uprising against China because Tencent will... by ppseafield on Saturday February 09, 2019 @10:09AM (#19122629)
Indeed. I think the comment editing (and immediate capitulation afterwards) was horrible, but the fact that they allowed the_donald to continue to break their own rules was way worse. They constantly would dox, harass, downvote brigade (in posts stickied by mods), and in general act entirely in bad faith. Other subreddits were banned for much, much less.

Either they wanted their advertising money or were simply supportive of their platform/actions, but eventually it was enough for me to leave Reddit entirely.

Re:Reddit's user uprising against China because Tencent will... by CydeWeys on Saturday February 09, 2019 @10:36AM (#19122767)
reddit has harmed its own community standards immeasurably by steadfastly refusing to rein in its most problematic communities, the_donald being one of them. They've only ever dealt with issues when the chorus of negative PR becomes so much that their hand is forced, as what happened with jailbait, fatpeoplehate, and a few others.

The people attracted to those communities don't just stay in them; they spread out and infect the rest of the site as well with 4chan-style shitposting, trolling, and bigotry.

Re:Reddit's user uprising against China because Tencent will... by dpau on Saturday February 09, 2019 @10:33AM (#19122753)
I wonder if the presence of a controversial subreddit like the_donald is good for business, increasing discussion, site traffic and thus revenue? Perhaps Reddit has a financial incentive to encourage (or at least not punish) subreddit drama.
Re:Reddit's user uprising against China because Tencent will... by CM30 on Saturday February 09, 2019 @10:58AM (#19122888)
Most probably. It's about the current US president after all, and it's the closest thing to an official forum/social network his fanbase/supporters have.

If Reddit banned it, then they'd likely drive said users to a competitor (like Voat) and divert all that media attention from Reddit to said competitor in the process.

Re:Reddit's user uprising against China because Tencent will... by thelasthuman on Saturday February 09, 2019 @05:16PM (#19125016)
T_D went to voat already back when I still used it (I gave up because they refused to add the ability to mute users), they couldn't handle it for even a week.
Re:Reddit's user uprising against China because Tencent will... by YUMad on Saturday February 09, 2019 @03:41PM (#19124467)
IMO, reddit banning t_d would create much more serious issues for them. The last thing they want is to get attention as a possible campaign financer. Even tho political choice is not a protected category and it's not illegal for reddit to ban t_d, since t_d clearly defines itself as rally sub for president, t_d mods follow rules and ban offending accounts quickly, and, most importantly, President Trump filed his campaign for 2020. with FEC almost immediately after becoming president.

Banning t_d could be construed as political speech, and a form of political donation. And reddit most definitely doesn't want legal inquiries of that kind, I bet they have a lot of dirty laundry there - did you guys forget how "cleanly" /r/politics switched overnight (literally) from bernie central to hillary propaganda?

They most definitely want to ban it, as demonstrated in leaked logs from private admin chat some time ago, but they do not dare.

Re:Reddit's user uprising against China because Tencent will... by ppseafield on Saturday February 09, 2019 @11:11AM (#19122986)
I think that's probably it, or at the very least part of it. TD has been a well-trafficed subreddit for a long time, and that means ad revenue.

Around the time of the comment-editing fiasco I remember a couple of other subreddits' mods saying the admins were quite friendly to the TD mods on the Reddit mod discourse. I wouldn't be surprised, considering the behavior they constantly got away with.

Re:Reddit's user uprising against China because Tencent will... by danlugo92 on Saturday February 09, 2019 @10:32AM (#19122743)
the_donald was censored too.
Re:Reddit's user uprising against China because Tencent will... by Mirioron on Saturday February 09, 2019 @10:44PM (#19126259)
I find it funny that the focus is on the_donald. I use reddit a lot and there are numerous other subreddits that have pulled similar things and they've existed long before the_Donald became a thing. SRS being one of them.

You also have places like ChapoTrapHouse that openly called for brigading of the Libertarian subreddit while the admins were paying close attention to the sub. Nothing happens, of course.

Re:Reddit's user uprising against China because Tencent will... by lmm on Saturday February 09, 2019 @11:43AM (#19123196)
> I guess it'd be the instant death of the network.

Nonsense. HN moderators already act with zero accountability. This is possibly the only major site that shadowbans users as a matter of course.

Re:Reddit's user uprising against China because Tencent will... by ddingus on Saturday February 09, 2019 @12:00PM (#19123310)
That is not an edit.

And of course! It is their house. Play nice, or see the impact. And they do have accountability. Users are here because it makes sense. Should that change, so will users do something else.

Nothing out of the ordinary there.

Re:Reddit's user uprising against China because Tencent will... by b_tterc_p on Saturday February 09, 2019 @10:09AM (#19122628)
I highly doubt HN would see a drop in activity if a single post was edited. Especially if it’s edited to remove offensive or obviously false content.
Re:Reddit's user uprising against China because Tencent will... by yjftsjthsd-h on Saturday February 09, 2019 @11:06AM (#19122931)
What if it was a user insulting a member of ycombinator, and it was edited to leave everything the same except changing the target to a mod? Principles matter, and that level of dishonesty is not acceptable.
Re:Reddit's user uprising against China because Tencent will... by b_tterc_p on Saturday February 09, 2019 @11:37AM (#19123151)
personally I would say don’t do that again, and then get over it.
Re:Reddit's user uprising against China because Tencent will... by rat9988 on Saturday February 09, 2019 @10:08AM (#19122624)
You are overstimating the community's reaction. There would be some backslash but nothing over the long term.
Re:Reddit's user uprising against China because Tencent will... by DanBC on Saturday February 09, 2019 @10:16AM (#19122660)
I think it has already happened - a user doxxed someone and that info was edited out. A note was left about the edit.

Maybe I'm wrong though, and it didn't happen here but somewhere else.

Re:Reddit's user uprising against China because Tencent will... by adventured on Saturday February 09, 2019 @10:04AM (#19122603)
I casually browsed Reddit as a non-account user for five or six years, then used it frequently for roughly two years with an account. Then the practice of aggressive censorship and banning began, as they started to try to transform it into another giant social media business. I stopped visiting entirely as it turned into an unhinged disaster leading up to the 2016 election. I doubt I'll ever bother to return. I abandoned Imgur for a similar reason, a flood of political trash. I was happy to see Imgur now strips the vast majority of political content out of most viral, so I occasionally visit their homepage again.
Re:Reddit's user uprising against China because Tencent will... by frogpelt on Saturday February 09, 2019 @12:24PM (#19123446)
Wait. Do you like the corporate censorship or not?
Re:Reddit's user uprising against China because Tencent will... by jancsika on Saturday February 09, 2019 @11:04AM (#19122922)
> I guess it'd be the instant death of the network.

You think a critical mass of HN users would band together to bring down a social media site because the company participates in censorship?

Re:Reddit's user uprising against China because Tencent will... by ggm on Saturday February 09, 2019 @06:07PM (#19125284)
Can you imagine the reaction if a user's post on HN were edited by YC? I guess it'd be the instant death of the network.

No. It's moderated and we love it that way. I might even have been shadowbanned and I still love it. Moderation rocks!

(Not being sarcastic btw. I really do like HN moderation)

Re:Reddit's user uprising against China because Tencent will... by zozbot123 on Saturday February 09, 2019 @09:55AM (#19122559)
> Can you imagine the reaction if a user's post on HN were edited by YC?

If the user's post was about the Pizzagate conspiracy theory and included baseless, highly offensive libel of the YC folks? Yeah, I don't think many people here would care. Especially since most users here understand that a website's comment database can be edited arbitrarily, it's not nearly as unthinkable as you assume. Don't like it, get your own website.

Re:Reddit's user uprising against China because Tencent will... by simonh on Saturday February 09, 2019 @10:17AM (#19122670)
I would care. Deleting a post is one thing and that's fine because it's clear what was done and why, but editing a post surreptitiously is a deliberate attempt to deceive and that's not acceptable.
Re:Reddit's user uprising against China because Tencent will... by zozbot123 on Saturday February 09, 2019 @10:23AM (#19122693)
It was not an attempt to deceive, it was a way of visibly trolling back people who were dumb enough to libel the Reddit CEO on his own website, in extremely offensive ways. And he owned up to it very quickly after it happened.
Re:Reddit's user uprising against China because Tencent will... by JoeSmithson on Saturday February 09, 2019 @11:13AM (#19123003)
It's a shame you are being downvoted because you are absolutely right. The myth that has been built up around this incident is ridiculous. It was essentially the same joke as those Chrome plugins that change "feminist" to "skeleton".

/u/spez's main mistake was pushing it as an actual change to the comments database. If he'd forced a CSS change or whatever this overblown censorship/deception narrative would never have arisen.

Re:Reddit's user uprising against China because Tencent will... by yjftsjthsd-h on Saturday February 09, 2019 @11:07AM (#19122949)
"Fuck /u/spez" is not libel, and is not even particularly offensive. And yes, he "owned up", but without apologizing.

EDIT: So actually on https://www.reddit.com/comments/5frg1n he did actually say that he was sorry and he wouldn't do it again. That's interesting, because I have a very strong memory of that not being the case. Weird. Either there was an initial acknowledgement that didn't have any sort of apology, or I missed something. I still stand by my minimization of the thing to which he reacted.

Re:Reddit's user uprising against China because Tencent will... by JoeSmithson on Saturday February 09, 2019 @12:01PM (#19123312)
The entire subreddit was calling him a paedophile, this is actually mentioned in the post this thread is about, so I'm not sure how you could have missed it -https://www.reddit.com/r/The_Donald/comments/5ekdy9/the_admi...

It seems a bit like your feelings on this issue are stronger than your recollection.

Re:Reddit's user uprising against China because Tencent will... by arminiusreturns on Saturday February 09, 2019 @11:40AM (#19123179)
and how did they libel him?
Re:Reddit's user uprising against China because Tencent will... by hopler on Saturday February 09, 2019 @11:29AM (#19123106)
Forgotten? It's constantly talked about, like now