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Re:Netflix claims Fortnite is now a bigger competitor than HBO by eeeeeeeeeeeee on Sunday January 20, 2019 @07:33AM (#18952752)
I just cancelled Netflix for this exact reason. I find the entire platform to be anti-consumer. Auto playing videos with sound, automatically playing the next episode to encourage binging, changing cover art to give you the illusion of fresh content always arriving, television series that are 10+ episodes long for no reason other than to extend hours viewed.

Don’t get me wrong, Netflix does have some good content, but I finally realized that the way the platform is designed is gross.

Re:Netflix claims Fortnite is now a bigger competitor than HBO by lukehack on Sunday January 20, 2019 @09:00AM (#18953054)
What's seriously making me consider cancelling my subscription is the fact that they autoplay trailers on the kids channel. I don't want my daughter getting addicted through the ML algorithms on the site, period.
Re:Netflix claims Fortnite is now a bigger competitor than HBO by koboll on Sunday January 20, 2019 @09:44AM (#18953246)
What's seriously making me consider canceling my subscription is that it's slowly but surely becoming a worse service over time.

It's clear that rising licensing fees are eating it alive, and its response, to create more original content, is mostly failing. Original Netflix series and movies are, by and large, fairly awful. The exceptions are notable but rare.

Next year, when the mass exodus of Disney content occurs, there will be a noticeable drop in the number of good movies on Netflix -- I'm predicting that I'll likely be one of many canceling Netflix in favor of Disney's streaming service, and that will be an inflection point in the beginning of Netflix's end.

Netflix original content is not enough to sustain it, and soon it won't have much else.

Re:Netflix claims Fortnite is now a bigger competitor than HBO by grawprog on Sunday January 20, 2019 @02:41PM (#18955124)
>Original Netflix series and movies are, by and large, fairly awful.

I've found it's not worth watching anything on netflix, originals or not, unless it's something I already know is good or if the rating is above 7/10 on a couple different review sites(even that's fairly unreliable).

I also find a lot of shows start good...are full of story dragging filler in the middle then end either in some kind of cliffhanger or just don't bother wrapping up most of the story.

I understand why they end that way....but most of the things i've watched like that don't end up with a second season...it just ends up feeling like I wasted a bunch of time with a story that will never conclude.

Not to mention the strange recommendations, the way netflix alters cover art depending what demographic they think you are...and something strange I asked about but was told I was crazy for thinking but..

But I have suspicions netflix associates unrelated accounts used on the same network in some way.

My girlfriend had been watching a series on netflix using my account, under my name on the roku app through the television.

She recently got a new laptop that came with a netflix app and used her parent's account to sign in. The two accounts have completely different information associated with them, my account had never been used on her computer, her parents account had never been used on the tv and thr show had never been watched on her parents' account yet when she started the show on her computer it started off at the exact minute she'd left off on the tv.

The only two things the two devices had in common were that they were used on the same network in the same house.

But I was told by multiple people I just have been mistaken and netflix doesn't work like that so what do I know?

Re:Netflix claims Fortnite is now a bigger competitor than HBO by michaelcampbell on Sunday January 20, 2019 @10:15AM (#18953378)
> becoming a worse service over time.

This. The variety has gone down and the suggestion algos (for me at least) have gotten worse.

Re:Netflix claims Fortnite is now a bigger competitor than HBO by echelon on Sunday January 20, 2019 @12:38PM (#18954271)
The suggestions are terrible.

There is too much awful garbage on Netflix. I don't want to waste my time with it, but it's right there--presented front and center. I can't count how many times I've started something only to exit it within the first few minutes. Or never made a choice in the first place.

I'd prefer a service with a few really good shows. Something a la carte.

Re:Netflix claims Fortnite is now a bigger competitor than HBO by rkuykendall-com on Tuesday January 22, 2019 @01:31PM (#18970857)
> I'd prefer a service with a few really good shows. Something a la carte.

Unfortunately a lot of these are attempted ( FilmStruck, Mubi, etc. ) and all fold. People aren't actually interested in high enough numbers.

Re:Netflix claims Fortnite is now a bigger competitor than HBO by Semaphor on Sunday January 20, 2019 @11:41AM (#18953865)
> the suggestion algos (for me at least) have gotten worse.

They were ever good? At least for me, and with spending a lot of time rating, telling Netflix which genres I liked and which I disliked resulted in Netflix recommending I watch series of genres I explicitly told it I didn't want.

Their recommendations always were as bad as Amazon's which is to say the dumbest possible implementation (at least for usefulness for me as a viewer, I assume they both have reasons for it)

Re:Netflix claims Fortnite is now a bigger competitor than HBO by vict00ms on Monday January 21, 2019 @10:50AM (#18961101)
Their suggestion algorithm was fantastic in the pre-/early-streaming days.
Re:Netflix claims Fortnite is now a bigger competitor than HBO by RHSeeger on Sunday January 20, 2019 @11:28AM (#18953762)
> Original Netflix series and movies are, by and large, fairly awful.

I disagree strongly. There are quite a few Netflix original shows that I like. The wife and I just finished watching Travelers last night, and it the 3 seasons were fantastic.

Re:Netflix claims Fortnite is now a bigger competitor than HBO by stinky613 on Sunday January 20, 2019 @11:46AM (#18953904)
Well, to koboll's point, "quite a few Netflix original shows" has to be taken in the context of the volume of original content they have:

https://www.whats-on-netflix.com/originals/ lists nearly 1,000 movies and shows

Re:Netflix claims Fortnite is now a bigger competitor than HBO by hhjinks on Sunday January 20, 2019 @03:53PM (#18955507)
A ton of those are just shows that Netflix have the right to distribute.
Re:Netflix claims Fortnite is now a bigger competitor than HBO by brownra04 on Sunday January 20, 2019 @09:04PM (#18957019)
Why bother making that distinction when Netflix doesn't themselves? If they're going to put everything they license on the same level as Stranger Things or Roma, doesn't that show that they want all those "Netflix Originals" treated the same in the eyes of viewers?
Re:Netflix claims Fortnite is now a bigger competitor than HBO by derekp7 on Sunday January 20, 2019 @09:51AM (#18953280)
At a base cost of 8 bucks a month, do you see a large number of people canceling it, vs. supplementing it with something else? In my case, I'm paying for netflix, hulu, amazon, and youtube. So adding one more item would be similar to changing up a cable tv package.
Re:Netflix claims Fortnite is now a bigger competitor than HBO by burger_moon on Sunday January 20, 2019 @12:51PM (#18954342)
You probably make a lot more than most Americans (I'm assuming you're American since from what I hear Netflix content is really bad for everyone else).

Everyone I know already shares accounts because it's too expensive to have all of them. Adding another streaming service is hard to swallow. Does anyone have an idea how much Disney will charge? I feel it won't be as cheap as the entry level Netflix sub but who knows.

Re:Netflix claims Fortnite is now a bigger competitor than HBO by nightski on Sunday January 20, 2019 @01:54PM (#18954792)
All of those add up to under $50/month. When I was a kid, everyone around (in small town midwest) had a cable package for over $100/mo and many were by no definition rich.
Re:Netflix claims Fortnite is now a bigger competitor than HBO by lhon on Sunday January 20, 2019 @02:23PM (#18954988)
Once you factor in internet, the current cost is not too different.
Re:Netflix claims Fortnite is now a bigger competitor than HBO by kmkemp on Sunday January 20, 2019 @03:48PM (#18955482)
Sure, but internet is a basic necessity at this point regardless of if you choose to stream content.
Re:Netflix claims Fortnite is now a bigger competitor than HBO by kexx on Tuesday January 29, 2019 @05:16PM (#19030368)
when you subscribe to cable tv, you pay for content and delivery, so i think it is far to compare the price of streaming service including the price of internet
Re:Netflix claims Fortnite is now a bigger competitor than HBO by kmkemp on Sunday January 20, 2019 @01:58PM (#18954819)
While I get that that's more money than a lot of people have to spend, all of those combined are cheaper than a typical non-basic cable or satellite plan even today - after they know they need to compete with streaming services. It's a lot cheaper (especially adjusted for inflation) than those services were 10 years ago. So anyone that could afford content then is probably able to afford it now, but they have better options - so they might choose not to.
Re:Netflix claims Fortnite is now a bigger competitor than HBO by chupasaurus on Monday January 21, 2019 @12:39AM (#18957919)
I've checked out Netflix in Russia, all the current and 1-2 y.o. shows are available with some random films. Also, the only language available to choose (except English and original if it differs) is finnish!
Re:Netflix claims Fortnite is now a bigger competitor than HBO by koboll on Sunday January 20, 2019 @10:49PM (#18957498)
$8 a month is for the standard definition plan, which I doubt many people have at this point. The most popular (HD) plan just went from $11 to $13.

Subscribers might add Disney+ without dropping Netflix, sure - but all those services will reach a saturation point eventually, and subscribers will eventually have to choose which services they want to drop. Netflix still brings more to the table now than many of its competitors, but it's on a long, slow downward slide that will almost certainly accelerate this year.

Re:Netflix claims Fortnite is now a bigger competitor than HBO by taurath on Sunday January 20, 2019 @11:29AM (#18953772)
$11/12 a month after most recent price increase
Re:Netflix claims Fortnite is now a bigger competitor than HBO by eeeeeeeeeeeee on Sunday January 20, 2019 @11:57AM (#18953991)
I think they'll be OK this current price increase, but not the next one. I'm sure they have a good model on cancellations after price increases and they'll make up for the loss with the increased price. But I think a lot of people are going to start examining if they want to continue paying for Netflix every month without thinking. More people will likely cancel and re-subscribe periodically when they hear about a series or movie they want to watch. And the more competition from other streaming providers, the more people are going to be examining their total spend per month on streaming services, which if you have a lot of them, is beginning to approach a traditional cable television bill.

The price increase really wasn't the main driver for me; it was more that Netflix continues doing the exact same thing -- manipulating its users through user interface trickery, and continuing to spend money on content that is not very good. The more shows, including original series that I pass on, the more I realize that I'm paying an increased monthly cost to finance Netflix's overspending on B-rated content that I won't even be watching.

I also think Netflix took away the wrong thing from the Bird Box "success." Yes, a large percentage of Netflix subscribers watched at least 70% of the movie, but I think it was 1) to see Sandra Bullock, who is a great actor and 2) it came out over the holidays when you often want something in the background to watch because there isn't a ton of things to do that the entire family can do together. For me, I'm a fan of Sandra Bullock so that is why I watched it, but the rest of the movie and story was not that great or anything unique.

After I cancelled Netflix, I signed up for YouTube Premium instead, and I feel much better about it. You can turn off auto-play and video previews don't have sound. YouTube music isn't quite there yet, but it's getting better, and the iOS app is solid. And their recommendation engine is actually good. Plus I like that I can watch ten or twenty minute videos on an infinite variety of things instead of committing ten hours of my life to a Netflix show.

If Netflix had any faith in their own content, they would introduce some kind of impartial review system (either user-based, or Rotten Tomatoes, etc). Netflix's "% match" system is a complete joke; I frequently see 90% matches and start watching and go "why in the world was this recommended to me?"

Disney will also be launching their streaming service this year, and it will be rumored to undercut Netflix pricing. Plus Disney will now have all the Fox content, some of which is on Netflix and might be pulled down the line. I think Disney+ will also be more appealing to people with kids over Netflix, which tends to be more adult-themed.

The other issue they're going to run into is that they have almost reached peak saturation in developed markets. In order to continue getting new users in developing markets, where those people will be more price sensitive, they cannot keep raising the price. I wouldn't be surprised if they begin segmenting the pricing by region, or creating lower cost plans that only have limited content, or more restrictions.

Re:Netflix claims Fortnite is now a bigger competitor than HBO by afaik123 on Sunday January 20, 2019 @12:12PM (#18954080)
You can turn off auto-play at Netflix too btw.
Re:Netflix claims Fortnite is now a bigger competitor than HBO by eeeeeeeeeeeee on Sunday January 20, 2019 @12:54PM (#18954359)
Ah, I just found it, but it's on the website only under "playback settings." You cannot turn it off from the app clients, or at least not from the Apple TV one. I think this still shows an intentional act by Netflix to make this hard to do, because most people are not using Netflix from a web browser / computer.

You also cannot turn off the auto-playing previews with sound.

Re:Netflix claims Fortnite is now a bigger competitor than HBO by derekp7 on Monday January 21, 2019 @11:10PM (#18965942)
For me, turning off auto-play worked on both my Roku and Visio TVs. I actually turned it off on a per user basis.

As for the auto-playing previews, my partial solution is to hit the mute button when browsing the Netflix home screen. Still gets annoying when trying to read the text description of a show, but it disappears from the screen too fast and replaced by the preview.

Re:Netflix claims Fortnite is now a bigger competitor than HBO by najra on Sunday January 20, 2019 @09:27AM (#18953168)
I've also had the situation where the trailer would be for a tv show for older kids and it scared the crap out of my daughter (likely we don't let her watch on her own so we could shut it off). We are trying to limit her exposure screen in general, but commercials in particular, which is why we thought netflix was a good option...
Re:Netflix claims Fortnite is now a bigger competitor than HBO by darepublic on Monday January 21, 2019 @09:08AM (#18960429)
Yeah I have a similar concern for my little one. I do find Netflix better than YT Kids though. Just like adults will watch others play video games and enjoy it, toddlers apparently like to watch others eat candy and unwrap presents.
Re:Netflix claims Fortnite is now a bigger competitor than HBO by yertletheturtle on Monday January 21, 2019 @10:16AM (#18960886)
Oh man the autoplay feature drives me insane
Re:Netflix claims Fortnite is now a bigger competitor than HBO by michaelcampbell on Sunday January 20, 2019 @10:18AM (#18953385)
> television series that are 10+ episodes long for no reason other than to extend hours viewed.

Wait, one of the reasons you've cancelled is companies that make media to get people to watch... make... MORE of it?

It reminds me of a quote in a US Network TV show, where a British character is commenting on a British TV show:

"Oh it's brilliant! It's been going for 16 years; they've shown almost 30 episodes!"

Re:Netflix claims Fortnite is now a bigger competitor than HBO by mrighele on Sunday January 20, 2019 @10:29AM (#18953443)
I think he is not complaining about more content being produces, but the same content being diluted in more hourse than needed in order to inflate some metrics.
Re:Netflix claims Fortnite is now a bigger competitor than HBO by secfirstmd on Sunday January 20, 2019 @10:34AM (#18953459)
British TV, especially BBC and Channel 4 have always been exceptionally good at knowing when to kill off a series at the right point. Just compare the difference between something like the UK Office vs the US Office or the BBC version of Sherlock vs the US version called Elementary.

Another example, the BBC Series the Bodyguard (a different concept but similar enough) or Israeli Homeland vs US Homeland. The US has made the mistake on a number of times of taking a great concept and dragging it out too long. Maybe one of the few that was justified was House of Cards, where the longer US version was (arguably) better than the UK version...

Re:Netflix claims Fortnite is now a bigger competitor than HBO by bluedevil2k on Sunday January 20, 2019 @10:43AM (#18953493)
Sherlock is probably not the best example of a British show stopping at its peak.
Re:Netflix claims Fortnite is now a bigger competitor than HBO by wgerard on Sunday January 20, 2019 @02:58PM (#18955229)
Interesting choice of examples IMO.

The US version of The Office is apparently by far the most watched show on Netflix (US). Even if you acknowledge it went on probably one or two seasons too long (which isn't an uncommon opinion, to be fair), 7 seasons is far longer than most BBC shows last.

And, as another poster noted, I would argue that a lot of people think the BBC version of Sherlock has definitely gone on way too long.

I think British TV has actually started taking influence from American TV over the past decade or so (or at least realized that Americans are watching and have started to cater to those audiences). Downton Abbey I feel also similarly went on probably a couple series too many.

Re:Netflix claims Fortnite is now a bigger competitor than HBO by Semaphor on Sunday January 20, 2019 @11:45AM (#18953896)
Wow, you mention the one time where a US show manages to give a character depth while the British version utterly fails at that and instead decides to keep it alive with cheap gimmicks.
Re:Netflix claims Fortnite is now a bigger competitor than HBO by smcl on Sunday January 20, 2019 @03:02PM (#18955249)
Which of the GP's examples are you talking about? You could be agreeing with them on House of Cards or disagreeing with Elementary/Sherlock or The Office - it's not clear which.
Re:Netflix claims Fortnite is now a bigger competitor than HBO by secfirstmd on Sunday January 20, 2019 @04:47PM (#18955808)
Sherlock/Elementary I think? Personally I find Elementary way to gimmicky/tacky but happy to disagree.
Re:Netflix claims Fortnite is now a bigger competitor than HBO by Semaphor on Monday January 21, 2019 @01:04AM (#18958016)
Sorry, Sherlock/Elementary.
Re:Netflix claims Fortnite is now a bigger competitor than HBO by CamouflagedKiwi on Sunday January 20, 2019 @11:18AM (#18953684)
I'd argue the same with House of Cards; the longer format was enjoyable at first but it definitely went on too long, and I think lost some focus along the way.
Re:Netflix claims Fortnite is now a bigger competitor than HBO by ksec on Sunday January 20, 2019 @01:18PM (#18954536)
I think it is the different set of Interest that sets them apart.

BBC being funded by tax payer's money compared to US for profits company where they have incentive to not cut off their series with many viewers?

Re:Netflix claims Fortnite is now a bigger competitor than HBO by thisone on Sunday January 20, 2019 @03:35PM (#18955424)
Majority of BBC funding is from TV licensing, which should be considered a separate thing from tax payer funded.
Re:Netflix claims Fortnite is now a bigger competitor than HBO by Barrin92 on Sunday January 20, 2019 @02:46PM (#18955158)
>Wait, one of the reasons you've cancelled is companies that make media to get people to watch... make... MORE of it?

it's not a bad reason at all. I prefer to buy media that respects my time and does not painstakingly try to get me to maximize my engagement with the service, because that's probably not very good for me.

Re:Netflix claims Fortnite is now a bigger competitor than HBO by eeeeeeeeeeeee on Sunday January 20, 2019 @03:34PM (#18955421)
Yes, I prefer paying for a service that respects my life and my time instead of one that treats me like a junky looking for another fix.

Back in the day Lay’s potato chips had a campaign called “bet you can’t eat just one” which clearly encourages overeating. And yet today we see companies, like Netflix, embracing binging as some innocuous thing. We say binge eating and drinking is bad now, but binge television watching is universally ok?

Re:Netflix claims Fortnite is now a bigger competitor than HBO by michaelcampbell on Saturday February 02, 2019 @03:01PM (#19065307)
I don't make any media at all, respecting 100% of your time. How much am I to charge you for that?

Sometimes you just have to take control of yourself.

Re:Netflix claims Fortnite is now a bigger competitor than HBO by hnick on Sunday January 20, 2019 @08:22PM (#18956813)
Padding and pointless busywork are a common complaint in video games. Personally I'd rather they cut the fat and leave the experience shorter but more striking and memorable.

A lot of TV shows have the same issue, Netflix originals (I'm mostly talking about the Marvel ones here) seem to meander a lot and could use some ruthless editing.

Re:Netflix claims Fortnite is now a bigger competitor than HBO by samstave on Sunday January 20, 2019 @10:34AM (#18953457)
Yeah, but that documentary "the staircase" could have been told in a much more succinct fashion, as so can many others.
Re:Netflix claims Fortnite is now a bigger competitor than HBO by whywhywhywhy on Sunday January 20, 2019 @09:07AM (#18953084)
Can definitely tell scripts that honestly only have enough content to be a 90 minute movie at best are being extended and shipped as series for these metrics.
Re:Netflix claims Fortnite is now a bigger competitor than HBO by jrs235 on Sunday January 20, 2019 @11:04AM (#18953599)
Just cancelled my Netflix account. They asked for a reason, I put other, auto playing trailers mean I can't have children in the room.
Re:Netflix claims Fortnite is now a bigger competitor than HBO by e40 on Sunday January 20, 2019 @02:53PM (#18955190)
Auto playing videos with sound, automatically playing the next episode to encourage binging

I hated this, too. You can turn that off by logging into your account on the web (not on your device of choice, which really pisses me off). Here:

https://help.netflix.com/en/node/2102

Re:Netflix claims Fortnite is now a bigger competitor than HBO by ishjoh on Sunday January 20, 2019 @08:29PM (#18956835)
There is a setting in the account to be able to turn off auto-play, after doing that I noticed I drastically reduced the time spent watching videos. That little bit of effort just to hit the play button made a huge difference to me.
Re:Netflix claims Fortnite is now a bigger competitor than HBO by zuppy on Sunday January 20, 2019 @01:07PM (#18954452)
autoplaying next episode is an option you can toggle in your account.
Re:Netflix claims Fortnite is now a bigger competitor than HBO by eeeeeeeeeeeee on Sunday January 20, 2019 @01:34PM (#18954643)
Only on the website, which almost nobody I know uses except to adjust billing information. Why wouldn't they expose this choice in the app client? Amazon Prime exposes it in the app. YouTube exposes it in the app.

That is clearly a deliberate move by Netflix, because they know it will reduce binging and reduce the metrics they so covet, like total hours watched per user.

Re:Netflix claims Fortnite is now a bigger competitor than HBO by sundvor on Sunday January 20, 2019 @05:56PM (#18956153)
My favourite thing about Netflix is how notoriously bad they are about fixing bugs in their Windows 10 player.

Hit pause at the end of a show to stop the playback, maybe for a quick bio? Fine! Then - you might have moved around in the house by now - it suddenly starts playing again!

Why? Because the auto play next episode timer isn't cancelled when hitting pause. Once it's counted down, playback of next episode starts irrespectively.

That's some genius systems development right there. I'm sure a lot of binary tree reversals were tested for to get to this level.

Re:Netflix claims Fortnite is now a bigger competitor than HBO by thirdsun on Monday January 21, 2019 @06:14AM (#18959536)
I wish the app would manage to adjust the display refresh rate to match the content's framerate in fullscreen. Just recently I tried to watch a highly rated, cinematic sensation like Roma on my projector and was surprised that I had to guess and set the proper output settings manually. Setting the proper refresh rate is a solved problem for any decent software or bluray player but it seems to be completely ignored in most Netflix clients on countless different devices. (I hear the Apple TV does this well though)
Re:Netflix claims Fortnite is now a bigger competitor than HBO by sundvor on Monday January 21, 2019 @04:08PM (#18963629)
I hear you! Also, until I figured out to engage Windows' tablet mode from the Win+A menu, when on my primary computer with a curved 21:9 I'd get a wide aspect movie squeezed into the 16:9 portion of the screen - a tiny slit of image surrounded by black frames. Ugh.
Re:Netflix claims Fortnite is now a bigger competitor than HBO by thirdsun on Tuesday January 22, 2019 @01:43AM (#18966462)
I don't have any experience with those wide screens and how they handle movies but I'd imagine they are very much suited for that kind of content if the player handles it properly.

Concerning the frame rate issue, I was really surprised that most people just don't care or notice at all. After some research it turns out that only about a dozen of Netflix clients on various bluray players, streaming boxes and TVs handle proper refresh rate switching. If your device's Netflix client supports it is apparently pure guess work and anything but certain. Instead they just seem to rely on the display's frame rate interpolation algorithms to fix an issue that shouldn't be there in the first place.

I can live with that for mindless, forgettable content, but if you're trying to sell your service as the future of cinema and put effort into high prestige projects like "Roma" or "The Other Side Of The Wind" maybe they should get the basics right in order to offer a worthwhile big screen experience.

Re:Netflix claims Fortnite is now a bigger competitor than HBO by sundvor on Tuesday January 22, 2019 @07:16AM (#18967718)
Yep 34" 21:9 screens are rather ideal for watching movies, when at my desk in its sweetspot with headphones. Not quite as comfortable as couch and the Samsung 65" big screen for multiple people though!

And then: I read you, again. The attention to proper detail just isn't there - unless you can wrap it up with a hot buzzword such as _HDR_!