Re:Show HN: Hacker News 2018, Year in Review
by stevenicr on Friday January 18, 2019 @04:31PM
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using firefox at 1044 x 687, the purple box next to the github and nytimes box... has "67 comments" visible.. kind of looks like something is supposed to be above that, shows something when I highlight the line.
inspecting the element, it's whit text on white bg.. "Poll: Would you prefer"
I'm sure this is not a common breakpoint and browser, so I wouldn't worry too much about it.
Everything else is pretty cool - I did not know there were so many of so many things.
Re:Show HN: Hacker News 2018, Year in Review
by echelon on Friday January 18, 2019 @03:59PM
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> 53+ thousand new users
This might explain why my perception of average comment quality has dropped. It's purely anecdotal, but it feels as if the volume of joke posts and "me too" responses has increased well beyond what it was five years ago.
Comments have always been the most valuable part of HN for me. It's frankly starting to feel a little bit like Reddit around here, and I'm concerned about the signal:noise ratio dropping any further.
Re:Show HN: Hacker News 2018, Year in Review
by wyxuan on Friday January 18, 2019 @04:56PM
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There are some positive aspects, as it allows for more diversified opinions on various issues. I find that it is great that there are chicken farmers, bridge builders, etc on this platform. But I agree. There have been less and less articles on directly tech relating things, and more on general world news. Some of the things are important and worth posting, but HN has become a little bit of a general news aggregator.
Re:Show HN: Hacker News 2018, Year in Review
by dvno42 on Friday January 18, 2019 @04:23PM
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Perhaps a few tweaks can be made to the platform to help ensure HN's "core values" (that sounds silly) are passed on to new users. For the most part there's always been a good herd mentality to negate the one off low quality posts and a bit of public shaming "We don't talk like that around here...". Maybe a "Posting Guidelines" page and more weight added to the down-vote button to those that are privileged to have it could help.
Re:Show HN: Hacker News 2018, Year in Review
by ksec on Saturday January 19, 2019 @12:03AM
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I felt the same, recently I have a habit of clicking into user and see if they have only recently joined. I also notice a higher percentage of consumer hardware related news from various sources appearing on HN front page. It used to be only some real breakthrough, important announcement that gets the front page.
I have a simple solution. Old HNer should start downvoting rigorously. To show we have little tolerance on noise and HN isn't Reddit.
Re:Show HN: Hacker News 2018, Year in Review
by tough_luck on Saturday January 19, 2019 @12:40AM
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I think comment quality doesn't just depends on users but type of content that gets exposure too. I have always found that to understand most of submissions on hacker news you've to have some level of understanding and knowledge in technical fields. Same goes for comments. So hacker news will probably never become reddit and memey as long as we have great submissions and vigilant moderators.
Re:Show HN: Hacker News 2018, Year in Review
by diamondo25 on Friday January 18, 2019 @04:13PM
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Yes, this is an issue of anything popular. Not that it is a bad thing, as it keeps the community alive, but it feels "not the same" and might drive users away, like what happened on Facebook.
Re:Show HN: Hacker News 2018, Year in Review
by paulddraper on Friday January 18, 2019 @05:44PM
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I think comment quality is still high. But over the last 18 months, I've noticed a lot of -- IDK -- partisan(?) votes.
Certain topics -- UBI, NN, GDPR, US vs EU politics -- seem to get comments upvoted/downvoted purely based on what side the comment supports, rather than the quality of the comment.
Re:Show HN: Hacker News 2018, Year in Review
by scottlocklin on Friday January 18, 2019 @05:47PM
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Honestly such subjects should not be in a technical blog/aggregator. The most successful forum I have ever seen only had two rules:
1) On topic (quantitative finance)
2) No politics, no religion
Politics and religion can come up when it comes to quanting, but there is no reason for them to, and raising these topics is purely destructive. There are plenty of places to go argue with someone about noise if you want to.
Re:Show HN: Hacker News 2018, Year in Review
by smsm42 on Friday January 18, 2019 @04:18PM
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It's a bit depressing that out of top 5 posts, two are about deaths, one about prominent figure retiring and two are about companies being swallowed by other companies.
Re:Show HN: Hacker News 2018, Year in Review
by smsm42 on Friday January 18, 2019 @07:14PM
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I don't argue with that, but the overall negative vibe of top 5 is obvious to me. I mean we could have at least a couple of "this new great thing happened" there?
Of course, corporate mergers may be good news too for some people, so maybe that's not full negative.
Re:Show HN: Hacker News 2018, Year in Review
by jamestimmins on Friday January 18, 2019 @01:27PM
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This looks great! The most interesting behavior reflected here IMO is the folks who submit lots and lots of links (presumably) in the hunt for points. The allure of Fake Internet Points is fascinating.
Re:Show HN: Hacker News 2018, Year in Review
by minimaxir on Friday January 18, 2019 @02:01PM
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> It would be cool if we could use the public Big Query data set in Google cloud, but it is missing some data that we'd like to report on. Namely users as well as enhancing the posts with fields like (domain name of a story).
The BigQuery dataset has both of the fields necessary to do the analysis, so I'm confused. (you do need to use the NET.HOST function to extract a HN-esque domain name from the url; more info in this notebook: https://www.kaggle.com/minimaxir/hacker-news-submission-scor...)
Re:Show HN: Hacker News 2018, Year in Review
by harrisreynolds on Friday January 18, 2019 @03:35PM
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I actually like Redshift fine. But we are paying about $250/month for it just to host this data and if it was already in a publicly available database it would be nice to drop that.
But using Redshift for this has been great for us in terms of testing our tool.
Re:Show HN: Hacker News 2018, Year in Review
by alwayseptember on Friday January 18, 2019 @06:43PM
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I, for one, welcome our new users.
But seriously, a couple of points worth discussing:
1. Moderation feels much more automated, with default rules cutting broad robotic swaths into (or more often out of) discussion.
2. If HN is this popular, it's leaning closer and closer to social networking platform, with at least one key point: you cannot delete things, but they can.
3. Both of these facts feed into throwaway accounts. Thus, "users" are not all truly users.
Re:Show HN: Hacker News 2018, Year in Review
by purple_ducks on Friday January 18, 2019 @08:38PM
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Completely off topic but I clicked through your profile (just to see if you were lobste.rs employee - (cynical I know))
Anyway, on your website, you have a 4 picture gallery with the selectors vertically at the side but it was a bit jarring as I'm used to those vertical selectors usually used to display for vertical scrolling.
Even ignoring the above, the photos transition horizontally which is even more jarring (when the vertical selectors exist).
It is not perfect, but was fun to create and I am happy with how it turned out.
Would love to hear any feedback you have!
inspecting the element, it's whit text on white bg.. "Poll: Would you prefer"
I'm sure this is not a common breakpoint and browser, so I wouldn't worry too much about it.
Everything else is pretty cool - I did not know there were so many of so many things.
This might explain why my perception of average comment quality has dropped. It's purely anecdotal, but it feels as if the volume of joke posts and "me too" responses has increased well beyond what it was five years ago.
Comments have always been the most valuable part of HN for me. It's frankly starting to feel a little bit like Reddit around here, and I'm concerned about the signal:noise ratio dropping any further.
Please don't submit comments saying that HN is turning into Reddit. It's a semi-noob illusion, as old as the hills.
I have a simple solution. Old HNer should start downvoting rigorously. To show we have little tolerance on noise and HN isn't Reddit.
Certain topics -- UBI, NN, GDPR, US vs EU politics -- seem to get comments upvoted/downvoted purely based on what side the comment supports, rather than the quality of the comment.
1) On topic (quantitative finance)
2) No politics, no religion
Politics and religion can come up when it comes to quanting, but there is no reason for them to, and raising these topics is purely destructive. There are plenty of places to go argue with someone about noise if you want to.
Btw minor typo: "discussiom of Karma"
The BigQuery dataset has both of the fields necessary to do the analysis, so I'm confused. (you do need to use the NET.HOST function to extract a HN-esque domain name from the url; more info in this notebook: https://www.kaggle.com/minimaxir/hacker-news-submission-scor...)
I'd be interested in a dump of the raw data, to save having to access via the API. I'd be willing to pay for the bandwidth/temp charges if any.
But using Redshift for this has been great for us in terms of testing our tool.
But seriously, a couple of points worth discussing:
1. Moderation feels much more automated, with default rules cutting broad robotic swaths into (or more often out of) discussion.
2. If HN is this popular, it's leaning closer and closer to social networking platform, with at least one key point: you cannot delete things, but they can.
3. Both of these facts feed into throwaway accounts. Thus, "users" are not all truly users.
The numbers don't tell the whole story.
I think it says something about how it is possible to converse with a few people in a crowded room but not notice the crowd.
So maybe around 28% or so were active.
I’m not saying HN is not fun anymore it’s just the value is elsewhere.
A guess is that slowly I’ll replace HN entirely. It’s too distractive and no essence is captured. Lobste.rs in contrast is a place where I go excited.
Anyway, on your website, you have a 4 picture gallery with the selectors vertically at the side but it was a bit jarring as I'm used to those vertical selectors usually used to display for vertical scrolling.
Even ignoring the above, the photos transition horizontally which is even more jarring (when the vertical selectors exist).
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