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Re:The Property Industry Is Falling Out of Love with WeWork by pimlottc on Wednesday December 19, 2018 @09:25PM (#18722011)
> WeWork forms a subsidiary to represent each lease deal, which means individual locations could fold without leaving the company itself with much risk. The parent company only guarantees the lease for about six to 12 months on a 15-year agreement, according to documents associated with WeWork’s inaugural bond offering.

So, they sign a 15-year lease but are only on the hook for the first year? How does that work? Sounds more like a year lease with an option to extend?

Re:The Property Industry Is Falling Out of Love with WeWork by crazygringo on Wednesday December 19, 2018 @09:29PM (#18722024)
The subsidiary signs the 15-year lease, not WeWork.

So basically if the location turns out to be unprofitable, the subsidiary goes out of business or goes bankrupt and WeWork isn't stuck with the lease.

From the landlord's perspective, yes it is basically equivalent to a year lease with option to extend... not totally clear why the landlord would agree to that.

Re:The Property Industry Is Falling Out of Love with WeWork by gowld on Wednesday December 19, 2018 @10:19PM (#18722235)
Must be nice to be an immortal corporation that can just spin off any debts you don't want to pay, while mere mortals with finite lifespans and education debt and medical debt and credit card debt cannot unless we die.
Re:The Property Industry Is Falling Out of Love with WeWork by RhodesianHunter on Wednesday December 19, 2018 @10:54PM (#18722380)
What if I told you that you can create and own corporations too?
Re:The Property Industry Is Falling Out of Love with WeWork by apatters on Wednesday December 19, 2018 @11:55PM (#18722606)
Your comment seems disingenuous. What if I told you that piercing the corporate veil is regular and common when a single member LLC can't pay its debt, and an LLC isn't eligible for things humans need to improve their futures like student loans anyway?
Re:The Property Industry Is Falling Out of Love with WeWork by Joakal on Thursday December 20, 2018 @12:13AM (#18722665)
Fantasy stories intrigue us mortals. But we do see big companies or llcs dodge responsibility.
Re:The Property Industry Is Falling Out of Love with WeWork by klodolph on Thursday December 20, 2018 @12:24AM (#18722703)
"Disingenuous" is a pretty high charge. Not everyone knows about piercing the corporate veil.
Re:The Property Industry Is Falling Out of Love with WeWork by kevin_thibedeau on Wednesday December 19, 2018 @11:11PM (#18722438)
Yes doctor you can bill that ultrasound to my LLC...
Re:The Property Industry Is Falling Out of Love with WeWork by tonysdg on Wednesday December 19, 2018 @10:43PM (#18722328)
Fairly certain at least some of those debts can get passed on to your estate and/or children.
Re:The Property Industry Is Falling Out of Love with WeWork by kortilla on Wednesday December 19, 2018 @11:04PM (#18722416)
Your estate is just your assets, so yes to that. Your children, not in the US.

You can never involuntarily inherit debt in the US. You have to be a co-signer to begin with.

Re:The Property Industry Is Falling Out of Love with WeWork by skh on Wednesday December 19, 2018 @11:44PM (#18722576)
In some states for certain medical expenses family members can be forced to assume the debt.
Re:The Property Industry Is Falling Out of Love with WeWork by kgwgk on Thursday December 20, 2018 @02:12AM (#18723048)
Interesting. But strictly speaking you’re not inheriting debt. You were liable for the debt all the time.
Re:The Property Industry Is Falling Out of Love with WeWork by skh on Thursday December 20, 2018 @12:58PM (#18727235)
I would agree with that assessment but for the fact that while alive the parent's medical debt can't be forced upon family members. It's a weird debt and I agree it isn't quite the same as inheriting it but I also think it isn't the same a jointly assumed liability while the parent is alive. The family members presumably have no say in whether or not the parent assumes the medical debt.
Re:The Property Industry Is Falling Out of Love with WeWork by kortilla on Wednesday December 19, 2018 @11:02PM (#18722410)
You do know that it’s people who setup these subsidiaries right?

There is nothing preventing you from doing this as an individual as well. The hard part isn’t the subsidiary or LLC, it’s getting the counter party to enter into an agreement with an entity containing no assets or long term viability.

Re:The Property Industry Is Falling Out of Love with WeWork by jfoutz on Wednesday December 19, 2018 @10:14PM (#18722209)
Because money. This is restaurant expansion 101.

In this specific case a large sophisticated organization may be exploiting an unsophisticated organization, but really this is standard operating procedure for any franchise.

Re:The Property Industry Is Falling Out of Love with WeWork by ksec on Friday December 21, 2018 @05:20AM (#18732466)
I am not sure if that is evil or pure genius. But why is the subsidiary allowed to release it to WeWork?

I mean by that theory I could open up 100s of Restaurant and close each of them that is not performing?

Re:The Property Industry Is Falling Out of Love with WeWork by donedeals on Wednesday December 19, 2018 @09:38PM (#18722057)
Wework Brooklyn #22 LLC signs the lease with the landlord and thus is responsible for the lease obligations. Wework LLC (proper) guarantees these lease payments for only 6- 12 months of the lease. After this time the only party responsible for the lease is the LLC that was formed.

Landlords are likely agreeing to this only because Wework would never be able to sign a lease with any owner if they defaulted on a location.

Re:The Property Industry Is Falling Out of Love with WeWork by dsr_ on Wednesday December 19, 2018 @10:05PM (#18722185)
Which sets them up for WeWork subsidiaries to default on any building that's more than X months old and unprofitable. That's a terrible deal for the landlord, if the landlord priced it as a 15 year deal instead of a one year. Absolutely great for WeWork. Terrible for anyone who wants offices, since WeWork will sit on a large chunk of the market.
Re:The Property Industry Is Falling Out of Love with WeWork by RhodesianHunter on Wednesday December 19, 2018 @10:56PM (#18722388)
If WeWork subsidiaries were defaulting right and left they wouldn't be able to get these deals.

They aren't, so they are.

Your comment seems to imply that the landowner has no choice.

Re:The Property Industry Is Falling Out of Love with WeWork by lancesells on Wednesday December 19, 2018 @11:42PM (#18722561)
Agreed. If, and when, they default it would most likely make news in the real estate / tech sector. Something seems too good to be true here but so far they haven't closed any locations.
Re:The Property Industry Is Falling Out of Love with WeWork by blackstrips on Thursday December 20, 2018 @05:45AM (#18723842)
Maybe WeWork is picking up left-over locations. Some rent is better than no rent.

If the landlord could find a better tenant, WeWork would have zero chance to rent any of it.

Re:The Property Industry Is Falling Out of Love with WeWork by neom on Wednesday December 19, 2018 @11:08PM (#18722428)
They'd be smart to move towards a franchise model then I suppose?
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Re:The Property Industry Is Falling Out of Love with WeWork by donedeals on Wednesday December 19, 2018 @11:02PM (#18722409)
Why would someone from wework want to outline their lack of lease liability. I don't see how anything I commented was positive or negative, I stated some facts.
Re:The Property Industry Is Falling Out of Love with WeWork by pl0x on Wednesday December 19, 2018 @11:05PM (#18722422)
Why make an account just to comment on this thread?
Re:The Property Industry Is Falling Out of Love with WeWork by dang on Thursday December 20, 2018 @03:52AM (#18723406)
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