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Re:You Only Need 50% of Job “Requirements” by rhacker on Wednesday November 28, 2018 @10:14AM (#18552130)
It's one thing for engineers to "be the HR department" at small companies. They are willing to let things slide because they know the candidate, especially after interviewing them, that they can fill in the knowledge gaps (well I don't know about the willing to move to china bit).

Contrast that with a large company with a specific HR department that is in charge of taking a job requirement sheet and finding and filtering candidates. These people have no idea what any of these technologies are, so for them it's a liability on their ass if they let people through that don't satisfy the "requirements". Managers, when you write up "requirements" and that is being sent to an HR department, keep in mind you might want to move some of those to a "nice to have" category.

That being said, there ARE competent, non-technical HR departments that do understand technical hiring.

Edit: Ohh... I wanted to add too, it's nice being in a startup where you really don't just "leave it up for a year". In a startup each and every candidate is literally needed when it's posted. It's kinda crazy and shows just how much larger companies hire just to hire if they can just sit on positions for a long time. Are they really "needed" if the position can go unfilled for an entire year?

Re:You Only Need 50% of Job “Requirements” by mcv on Wednesday November 28, 2018 @10:26AM (#18552249)
If HR has no idea what the job means, they also shouldn't be the one selecting candidates and conducting interviews.
Re:You Only Need 50% of Job “Requirements” by seanmcdirmid on Wednesday November 28, 2018 @01:41PM (#18554305)
HR doesn’t really conduct interviews beyond maybe a quick high level screen. They select candidates, but also only as a high level screen, it’s up to the engineering team to screen more deeply and do interviews.
Re:You Only Need 50% of Job “Requirements” by wtracy on Wednesday November 28, 2018 @02:29PM (#18554798)
Of all places, Facebook had a pretty clearly non-technical person screen me over the phone.

Apparently they gave her a list of questions and answers. The questions were structured so that none of the answers were open-ended. ("What is the OSI seven layer model? What is a Unix signal?")

So, yeah, I'm not sure I would call it a real interview, but sometimes HR does get called upon to screen candidates.

Re:You Only Need 50% of Job “Requirements” by lawnchair_larry on Friday November 30, 2018 @09:32PM (#18574711)
This is different. The engineering team provided those questions so that the recruiters stop wasting their time on people who have no chance at all. They're just implementing the filter. HR themselves did not come up with any of them, and don't make the decisions. Also, recruiting and HR are not quite the same function.
Re:You Only Need 50% of Job “Requirements” by tracker1 on Wednesday November 28, 2018 @03:00PM (#18555096)
I talked to a person in a similar situation... ironically some of the questions could have multiple answers. Pre ES5 and Post ES5 JS has changed a lot of the "rules". Specifically to scope/closures.

But yeah, for the most part, those kinds of questions help. It does depend on what your needs are.

Re:You Only Need 50% of Job “Requirements” by seanmcdirmid on Wednesday November 28, 2018 @04:03PM (#18555675)
I’ve been screened by a Facebook recruiter without that experience. Sounds absolutely dreadful.
Re:You Only Need 50% of Job “Requirements” by pmiller2 on Wednesday November 28, 2018 @06:43PM (#18556777)
I had a very similar experience with LinkedIn a couple years ago.
Re:You Only Need 50% of Job “Requirements” by gamblor956 on Wednesday November 28, 2018 @11:00AM (#18552519)
At my company if a candidate doesn't check all the reqs but comes close, HR shows the resume to the relevant department and asks them how important the missing boxes are. We're willing to train employees, so we usually at least give the candidate an interview.
Re:You Only Need 50% of Job “Requirements” by chrisbennet on Wednesday November 28, 2018 @11:42AM (#18552987)
If I see a position that has been open for longer than a month, I assume they are not serious about filling it. Either they aren't really hiring or they don't want to pay the market rate.
Re:You Only Need 50% of Job “Requirements” by souprock on Wednesday November 28, 2018 @04:38PM (#18555906)
That isn't right. We did hire, several times. More please!

I've been posting this for ages: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=18358038

We have well over a hundred people doing that sort of stuff.

This idea of "filling" a "position" is wrong. There is a need for competent technical staff who can contribute to the team. We hire them as we find them. There isn't a fixed number of slots to fill with warm bodies.

Re:You Only Need 50% of Job “Requirements” by chrisbennet on Wednesday November 28, 2018 @06:58PM (#18556862)
Your ad is a “looking for people” type ad. The ads I skip are the ones with fairly specific skills that haven’t been filled after a month.
Re:You Only Need 50% of Job “Requirements” by anitil on Wednesday November 28, 2018 @07:45PM (#18557191)
Looks like you do some interesting work! If I was a US citizen you'd be hearing from me.
Re:You Only Need 50% of Job “Requirements” by scarejunba on Wednesday November 28, 2018 @12:36PM (#18553557)
Most of the job positions all of FAANG have posted have been open for months, some for over a year. They are really hiring and have no problem paying market rate. That's a counterexample.
Re:You Only Need 50% of Job “Requirements” by indigochill on Wednesday November 28, 2018 @01:36PM (#18554246)
If a company is really hiring and paying market rate, what's the situation leading to positions open for over a year? Unicorn-hunting?

I've been part of a hiring process that took a couple months (and by the end had management breathing down our necks to just hire -someone-), but that was because we were hiring into an out-of-the-way location that generally lacked the skills locally that we were looking for. Neither of which would apply to FAANG.

Re:You Only Need 50% of Job “Requirements” by GoToRO on Wednesday November 28, 2018 @01:54PM (#18554448)
HR just leaves the same position open because it's not really a position, it's a category and they are too lazy to remove and add the same ad over and over.
Re:You Only Need 50% of Job “Requirements” by zid3nt on Wednesday November 28, 2018 @01:49PM (#18554391)
Maybe they're willing to hire in depth for those particular positions?
Re:You Only Need 50% of Job “Requirements” by ido on Thursday November 29, 2018 @09:23AM (#18560305)
The company I work at has an ad for "Senior Full-Stack Developer" and if 5 amazing candidates show up they'll probably hire all of them (or if just 1 shows up and gets hired the ad will remain online).
Re:You Only Need 50% of Job “Requirements” by seanmcdirmid on Wednesday November 28, 2018 @01:43PM (#18554322)
They are just being picky, and can afford to be picky. I’ve heard FAANG interview pass rates are pretty low, frustrating their recruiters to no end :).
Re:You Only Need 50% of Job “Requirements” by analyst74 on Wednesday November 28, 2018 @02:06PM (#18554573)
Just because there is a job posting doesn't mean there is position open.
Re:You Only Need 50% of Job “Requirements” by ahartman00 on Wednesday November 28, 2018 @11:31AM (#18552870)
"keep in mind you might want to move some of those to a "nice to have" category"

I would add be more general if possible. Someone with 5 years of postgres sql will pick up sql server pretty quickly. So maybe just: Relational Database experience. Somebody who has used 5 different ui frameworks will pick up the whichever you use pretty quickly. So perhaps: Web UI development. Etc.

Re:You Only Need 50% of Job “Requirements” by 0xffff2 on Wednesday November 28, 2018 @11:41AM (#18552974)
I've never worked for a startup, but when my company leaves a long-standing position open, it usually means that there's some work sitting on the back burner that isn't important enough to make it on to an existing employee's task list. Even in my small group, there's plenty of work that would be "nice to have", but isn't mission critical. If we find the right person to do some of that work, we will hire them on a short-term contract to do the work. If we don't find the right person, one of us will get to it eventually.

I have a feeling this isn't any different at a startup.

Re:You Only Need 50% of Job “Requirements” by pishpash on Wednesday November 28, 2018 @11:49AM (#18553081)
No, startups just never get to the "nice to have".
Re:You Only Need 50% of Job “Requirements” by ska on Wednesday November 28, 2018 @03:05PM (#18555129)
Sometimes in a startup the posting stays up for a year because you can't identify and successfully hire a good candidate. I'm thinking of more niche roles, sure, but I've seen it happen multiple times.
Re:You Only Need 50% of Job “Requirements” by paulie_a on Wednesday November 28, 2018 @11:28AM (#18552828)
I disagree about startups not leaving it up for a year. I have seen plenty that do exactly that. I don't know what the motivation is but I'm guessing they just want to fish for their pipeline. And they don't need someone next week.
Re:You Only Need 50% of Job “Requirements” by pkaye on Wednesday November 28, 2018 @02:32PM (#18554839)
My experience has been that HR just passes the resumes to all the hiring managers who make the call to proceed. There are some more competent HR recruiters that could also prioritize candidates that are a better fit to the top of the pile.