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Re:Dealing with past trauma may be the key to breaking addic... by andai on Saturday November 24, 2018 @06:34PM (#18524514)
I tried breaking an addiction earlier today, but I could only make it a few hours before the withdrawal overwhelmed me.

I've been practicing mindfulness lately, noticing the "shape" of sensations in the body, and it struck me that, physically, the withdrawal symptoms felt a lot like how I feel when I'm working through trauma.

I had the sense that, if I could work up the courage to face it and work through it (specifically, to practice mindfulness on the extremely unpleasant sensations), the addiction would eventually dissolve.

So I did a double take, when I saw my own thoughts at the top of HN!

Re:Dealing with past trauma may be the key to breaking addic... by all2 on Saturday November 24, 2018 @06:36PM (#18524527)
One thing that really, really helped me was being told that 'it is ok to feel bad'.

No one had ever told me that before, and I always did my best to avoid discomfort and pain. Now, I have a much different story.

Re:Dealing with past trauma may be the key to breaking addic... by twmahna on Saturday November 24, 2018 @07:57PM (#18524785)
To add onto this, I found it really constructive when I began to understand what was actually causing me to feel bad about being unhappy.

That is, we all have an ideal self that we aspire to, and when we don't live up to this ideal, we feel bad.

At first, I thought maybe it was NECESSARY to feel bad in order to motivate oneself to reach your ideals.

Then, I thought that it might be impossible to feel good when we reach our ideals without feeling bad when we don't. That is, maybe the two are dualistic, by nature, and inseparable.

But, as I thought more and more about my past and how children operate, I became convinced that it's not natural to judge/chastise yourself when you don't live up to your ideals. For me, it's primarily a trained behavior that resulted from judgmental parenting styles -- think, a parent making a child thinking they are a 'bad boy' when they've done something wrong.

It's entirely possible to feel good about yourself when you reach your ideals without feeling bad when you don't -- it just takes a bit of rewiring. If you have any doubt, spend some time around children and you'll see that humans are naturally incredibly resilient to failure -- this should include failure at being happy.

Re:Dealing with past trauma may be the key to breaking addic... by yosito on Saturday November 24, 2018 @09:27PM (#18525086)
The biggest thing I've learned from breaking addiction is that addiction thrives with a maladaptive relationship to pain. Developing a new relationship to pain, embracing it as a path to growth, has been a key for me in overcoming addictive behavior. So many people I know who continue to struggle with their addictions do so because they're avoiding pain.
Re:Dealing with past trauma may be the key to breaking addic... by _pgmf on Saturday November 24, 2018 @09:37PM (#18525114)
I know, it sounds almost silly but its like being in addiction you're just so preoccupied with how you think you're going to feel.
Re:Dealing with past trauma may be the key to breaking addic... by penagwin on Saturday November 24, 2018 @07:04PM (#18524611)
This made a huge difference to me too. I've always done my best to not feel bad. Feeling bad must be bad, right?

I still struggle with smoking, I would rather feel nothing then feel the mental pain. I'm just rather torn, through my years of depression feeling terrible has never felt productive it feels repetitive.

Re:Dealing with past trauma may be the key to breaking addic... by funwithjustin on Saturday November 24, 2018 @09:31PM (#18525097)
Not just to feel bad, but also to experience discomfort. A lot of addiction is just trying to find relief for temporary discomfort.
Re:Dealing with past trauma may be the key to breaking addic... by andai on Sunday November 25, 2018 @04:35AM (#18526158)
I sometimes ask myself, what's the sensation I least want to experience right now? And inevitably I will find something in the body I have been avoiding. (And inevitably, facing it changes my relationship with the experience and gives some relief.)
Re:Dealing with past trauma may be the key to breaking addic... by wisty on Sunday November 25, 2018 @04:24AM (#18526128)
I think negative emotions are like a stop sign, not a stop light - they mean "stop and look for danger", not "stop, do not continue this way".
Re:Dealing with past trauma may be the key to breaking addic... by vricius on Saturday November 24, 2018 @07:44PM (#18524742)
As someone with a lot of experience with opioid withdrawal, it seems that you will experience the polar opposite of the better than baseline feelings. The times you use builds up a kind of debt that you will need to pay back.

Key to making it through the paying back the piper is faith. Trust that your body is far more intelligent than you and it has all the answers to making yourself healthy again. Both physically and mentally.

Re:Dealing with past trauma may be the key to breaking addic... by sizzle on Sunday November 25, 2018 @06:10AM (#18526418)
Debt is a great concept to describe the withdrawal period of chronic substance use.
Re:Dealing with past trauma may be the key to breaking addic... by sbenitoj on Sunday November 25, 2018 @12:21AM (#18525578)
Check out The Body Keeps the Score by Bessel Van Der Kolk, I cant recommend it enough!
Re:Dealing with past trauma may be the key to breaking addic... by chewz on Sunday November 25, 2018 @03:47AM (#18526029)
+1 This book really helps connecting dots between PSTD, trauma, mind-body connection, mindfullnes, yoga, dance etc.

Slightly boring (I hate reading these patient's stories and details of psychological experiments) but the conclusions are priceless.

Re:Dealing with past trauma may be the key to breaking addic... by winchling on Sunday November 25, 2018 @10:29AM (#18527245)
What's the most important conclusion?
Re:Dealing with past trauma may be the key to breaking addic... by sbenitoj on Sunday November 25, 2018 @12:19PM (#18527731)
Much if addiction, depression, anxiety, etc is rooted in trauma (typically from childhood), and regular psychotherapy is insufficient to fully heal people. He recommends a number of different modalities to heal trauma (many to be done as adjuncts to traditional psychotherapy).
Re:Dealing with past trauma may be the key to breaking addic... by ada1981 on Saturday November 24, 2018 @10:11PM (#18525228)
I recommend using Breathwork to make the difficult feelings of withdrawal “bigger”, to engage with them deeply.

You can do this on your own but I would suggest getting experience and practice with a guide.

This is the manual DIY version of psychedelic therapy that is so useful for healing the trauma beneath addiction.

Re:Dealing with past trauma may be the key to breaking addic... by ace_of_spades on Sunday November 25, 2018 @02:47AM (#18525858)
Thank you for sharing :)

I am currently working more and more with the ACT Matrix [1] and while I am not a psychologist I find it a great and easy to use tool to explore and understand emotions and behavior which is imo the first step towards building psychological flexibility to deal with stressful triggers/emotions, etc. I can only advocate for having a look and giving it a chance. In scientific/clinical circles it’s pretty high regarded as well :)

1: https://contextualscience.org/act_matrix

Re:Dealing with past trauma may be the key to breaking addic... by darpa_escapee on Saturday November 24, 2018 @07:35PM (#18524713)
I'm convinced the brain learns what are efficient triggers that result in addictive behavior.

If that means bringing trauma to the forefront of your mind in order to get a dopamine hit, so be it.

Re:Dealing with past trauma may be the key to breaking addic... by Demigod33 on Sunday November 25, 2018 @05:34AM (#18526312)
Two mantras helped me.

1. Everything is allowed (especially what already happened.).

2. I may accept consequences (if I wish), but I must not accept any blame.

Re:Dealing with past trauma may be the key to breaking addic... by xfitm3 on Sunday November 25, 2018 @10:06AM (#18527146)
Where are these mantras from?
Re:Dealing with past trauma may be the key to breaking addic... by Demigod33 on Monday November 26, 2018 @01:58PM (#18535837)
Broadly said experience.

Denying reality, however bad it may be, hurts in the end more since this sometimes subtly, sometimes not so subtly influences action to avoid the thing I denied out of being. Once everything is allowed there is not much necessity to deny the thing that is stopping you (me in this case). Imagine a central belief that can bring many useful actions to a halt just by being there.

Blame is from other people. You can deny all blame. You do not have to blame yourself. That's a thing which I haven't been taught before. Since I did rather the reverse, it needed the exact opposite to work out. Only consequences are physical. That's why only those matter.

Re:Dealing with past trauma may be the key to breaking addic... by DoreenMichele on Sunday November 25, 2018 @01:17PM (#18527993)
There is also a physical component that needs to be managed. It typically fails to just try to will-to-power your way off of some substance.
Re:Dealing with past trauma may be the key to breaking addic... by stinos on Sunday November 25, 2018 @03:41AM (#18526016)
tried breaking ... if I could work up the courage to face it and work through it

Sound familiar :) Whenever I read some headline like this my thought pattern is almost always the same: 'nice someone also figured this and published this, nice this is on HN, but I figured this out already x years ago and it didn't help a thing, truly wonder if it's going to help someone else'. I like mind-expanding drugs which let my thoughts go ways they don't often go when fully sober and the amount of epiphanies I had through those experiences are numerous. And one of the first was definitely identifying the childhood/youth problems and seeing them as the base for later problems in behaviour. But just like the article doesn't really mention a solution in detail, just 'working on it', most of the ideas I have on how to actually deal with problematic behaviour either don't work or are for some reason too hard to sustain. The longest I succeeded in breaking a certain behaviour was 2 or 3 weeks, then I slowly slipped back into it. And even though fully aware of that, no deal. tldr; identifying causes doesn't seem too hard, identifying working solutions for psychological problems is where it's at. Maybe if mindfulness is a solution for you, you should blog on it..