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Re:Build a do-it-yourself home air purifier for about $25 by electic on Tuesday November 13, 2018 @09:53PM (#18447081)
Woah, this is pretty scary. Thank you for sharing. How did you know it was mold that was in the air? Is there some sort of test kit that you can buy to test for this. Mold is pretty hard to detect because you can't really see it because it typically hides between the walls.

Any advice appreciated.

Re:Build a do-it-yourself home air purifier for about $25 by adinobro on Wednesday November 14, 2018 @01:13AM (#18447890)
I know there is mould in my house. We do three things to deal with it: 1. Air Filter (more for pollution but it helps with mould) 2. Dehumidifier which we leave on 24/7 basically for the mould. This is the big one. 3. Wash any mould with vinegar to change the PH after it is wiped off to prevent it from growing back.

The mould is still there but the dry air stops it from growing and sporing which is what makes you stick. If humidity creeps up the mould will grow again. Be aware that mould is virtually everywhere and is only harmful if there is enough of it around sporing or if you touch it.

Re:Build a do-it-yourself home air purifier for about $25 by a012 on Wednesday November 14, 2018 @02:11AM (#18448130)
Dehumidifiers are expensive in power consumption, I don't know which model is more effectively. I'm living in SEA, and get humidity level to 50% 24/7 in my studio equally to double my monthly electricity bill.
Re:Build a do-it-yourself home air purifier for about $25 by Cthulhu_ on Wednesday November 14, 2018 @03:43AM (#18448464)
I don't know if these are effective, but in my country we have passive dehumidifiers which are basically containers with a load of salt or something like that which draws the moisture out of the air. Good enough to keep caravans in storage mold free. Probably not good enough for e.g. living rooms or actually moist locations, but maybe it scales up. Of course, you'd then need a lot of salt or whatever the stuff is.
Re:Build a do-it-yourself home air purifier for about $25 by majewsky on Wednesday November 14, 2018 @05:14AM (#18448807)
I used the passive variant that you explained in my previous apartment and while it may be effective at keeping humidity down, it's not very effective in bringing a high humidity down. I got an electric dehumidifier and it's drastically more efficient. It pulls over two liters of water per day out of the air if the air is sufficiently humid. I've since moved, so I don't use it routinely anymore, but I still have it and occasionally use it to speed up the drying of clothes on a drying rack.
Re:Build a do-it-yourself home air purifier for about $25 by a012 on Wednesday November 14, 2018 @08:10AM (#18449557)
My dehumidifier draws 4l per 8 hours.
Re:Build a do-it-yourself home air purifier for about $25 by detritus on Wednesday November 14, 2018 @10:50AM (#18450752)
May I ask what model it is, please?
Re:Build a do-it-yourself home air purifier for about $25 by a012 on Friday November 16, 2018 @12:07AM (#18466574)
Re:Build a do-it-yourself home air purifier for about $25 by sokoloff on Wednesday November 14, 2018 @06:59AM (#18449210)
Likely anhydrous calcium chloride.

The problem is, once the calcium chloride has absorbed the moisture from the air and is saturated, you have to take it out and dry it to make it effective again. That might be cheaper (in terms of energy) than refrigerant phase-change dehumidification, but it's a lot more labor intensive.

Re:Build a do-it-yourself home air purifier for about $25 by Thlom on Wednesday November 14, 2018 @05:22AM (#18448844)
A house should be able to dehumidify on it's own by natural air flow. Maybe it's different in more humid areas?
Re:Build a do-it-yourself home air purifier for about $25 by briandear on Wednesday November 14, 2018 @11:16AM (#18450967)
Vastly more different. A place like Houston is going to have “sealed” houses far more frequently than Scottsdale for instance. Sealed meaning the air conditioner will keep the indoor environment manageable. I remember as a kid my grandmother would use that god-forsaken attic fan in lieu of her window-unit air-conditioners and it was pretty much the zenith of misery in a Houston summer.

Natural airflow with the outside at 90% relative humidity isn’t going to do a thing other than make the interior occupants ornery.

The natural airflow design of Apple Park for example, that works incredibly well, but that same design in Houston or New Orleans would be catastrophically ridiculous.

Re:Build a do-it-yourself home air purifier for about $25 by fyfy18 on Wednesday November 14, 2018 @01:20AM (#18447914)
The CDC has some recommendations on it (yes you can have mold tested to see if it's dangerous):

https://www.cdc.gov/mold/stachy.htm

I'm not really sure about keeping the humidity below 50% though. The UK and most of Northern Europe has rather high humidity in the winter. It commonly reaches 80-90 RH outside, so you'd have to heat your house to 25c/77F to bring the humidity below 50%.

Re:Build a do-it-yourself home air purifier for about $25 by roel_v on Wednesday November 14, 2018 @03:13AM (#18448351)
"The UK and most of Northern Europe has rather high humidity in the winter."

Indoors? No, not at all. In the winter the temperature in my house/office is 21-22C and 17 at the lowest at night, and I have to run a humidifier 24/7 to keep the humidity over 30% (otherwise the wooding floors shrink too much).

Re:Build a do-it-yourself home air purifier for about $25 by zimpenfish on Wednesday November 14, 2018 @06:03AM (#18449014)
(anecdata but...)

Currently in the bedroom (thanks Netatmo) it's 17.8° and 69% humidity (with one of the three windows open about 0.5"). That compares to 14.0° and 78% on the balcony. Looking at the graphs, 50% is the lowest indoor humidity over the last month.

Re:Build a do-it-yourself home air purifier for about $25 by roel_v on Wednesday November 14, 2018 @08:43AM (#18449760)
Yes, bedrooms have the windows open more often, and usually less/no heating. How many hours a day do you have the windows open? Is there a heating source on or nearby? If you close the window, you'll see RH drop quite fast (in most houses). I'm going to try this same experiment tomorrow, I'm quite interested to know.

Still - mold in houses is not a problem in houses in Western/Northern Europe, except for the most pathological cases (for example, mold scores you iirc 2 points in Belgium on the 'uninhabitable property' test, where 9 gets your building declared unfit for living in. Having small holes in the roof or small cracks in the walls (still structural defects) gets you 3. That's how unusual mold is around here. OTOH when I lived in New Zealand, mold was met with 'eh, there's bleach in isle 5 at Countdown, just wipe it down.'. I was like 'wut?'.

Re:Build a do-it-yourself home air purifier for about $25 by zimpenfish on Wednesday November 14, 2018 @08:50AM (#18449802)
> If you close the window, you'll see RH drop quite fast (in most houses).

Alas, it does not, but that's possibly because other windows are open around the place and there's relatively good airflow.

> I'm going to try this same experiment tomorrow, I'm quite interested to know.

I'll see how it goes tomorrow with the window closed and various doors closed to minimise the effect of the other windows.

Re:Build a do-it-yourself home air purifier for about $25 by Moru on Wednesday November 14, 2018 @06:09AM (#18449030)
We do have cold winters but that does not mean we have high humidity indoors. Relative humidity means the water contents of the air at 0 degrees is very very low. The higher temperature, the more moisture the air can hold. So when you heat up the air the same amount of water shares a much lower percentage of what the air can hold. In winter the hygrometer is showing 100% moisture outdoors (because ours can't measure below zero degrees C). When that air is heated up indoors, it holds about 20% of what it can hold [0], most likely thanks to warm water taps, us breathing and other moisture sources. This is why many people run their humidifiers so they can at least have 30-40% in winter. Less dry, cracked skin and nose bleed.

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Relative_Humidity.png

Re:Build a do-it-yourself home air purifier for about $25 by fyfy18 on Wednesday November 14, 2018 @08:34AM (#18449699)
Yes, but that's my point. Where I'm currently living (UK, south coast) it's 15C at 77% RH outside, so to get below 50% RH inside the temperature needs to be at least 22C (which it isn't). It's not uncommon for the humidity to get up to 80-90% RH when it rains, and the temperature doesn't drop much.

When it gets to the cold part of winter it's obviously easier, but this time of year it's hard to get it below 50% RH inside just by controlling the temperature.

Re:Build a do-it-yourself home air purifier for about $25 by toxik on Wednesday November 14, 2018 @02:57AM (#18448296)
Northern Europe gets really cold, so while RH may be high, it’s not moist at all. People get dry skin in the winter.
Re:Build a do-it-yourself home air purifier for about $25 by chupasaurus on Wednesday November 14, 2018 @05:18AM (#18448823)
Northern Scandinavia and west of Urals (I live here) have moist winters (70+% RH most of the time). Skin would dry anyway because water evaporation rate is proportional to a pressure (hence temperature) difference and convection makes a constant supply of fresh unsaturated air.
Re:Build a do-it-yourself home air purifier for about $25 by zaarn on Wednesday November 14, 2018 @07:23AM (#18449315)
Relative Humidity is relative to temperature.

Cold air can simply hold less water overall, at 20C it can easily hold double as much water as it can at 0C.

There being a pressure difference is nonsense, you can get the same air pressure in the winter as in summer (though it tends to go on the Low side more often). What you probably mean is the vapor pressure, ie the natural pressure the liquid wants to be at in a closed container, though while it is largely depdenent on temperature, it does so in a linear/positive way, so at lower temperature, water will evaporate less (otherwise ice would more easily sublimate).

Once you go below zero a water content of a few grams can easily hit 100% RH which would barely manage 5% or less at 30C.

Re:Build a do-it-yourself home air purifier for about $25 by logfromblammo on Wednesday November 14, 2018 @01:05PM (#18452089)
I think the relevant pressures are the vapor pressure of liquid water, the atmospheric pressure, and the partial pressure of gaseous H2O at the gas-liquid interface.

If you can blow dry air over its surface, you can evaporate liquid water (or sublimate water ice) even when the relative humidity is 100%.

You can think of air as a gaseous solution, and its water vapor content like table salt in aqueous solution. Temperature affects the solubility, and if the solution is saturated, no more can dissolve. You can still dissolve salt crystals sitting in a saturated cold saltwater solution by squirting warm freshwater onto the bottom of the container. If that then mixes with the rest of the solution, and everything cools down again, that dissolved salt can then precipitate out somewhere else (like rain), or form a suspension of tiny crystals (like fog or clouds).

The solubility of H2O vapor in atmospheric gas increases with temperature. But you can also do something with a gaseous solvent that you can't easily do with a liquid solvent, which is to change the pressure. Higher pressure lowers the solubility of water in air, but to a far lesser extent than a decrease in temperature. Even though the vapor pressure is dependent only on temperature, evaporation occurs whenever the vapor pressure exceeds the partial pressure of H2O at the interface. Increasing the overall air pressure also increases the partial pressure of H2O vapor by a proportional amount, so inhibits further evaporation. But water vapor is also less dense than N2, O2, and most other atmospheric gases, so the means of measuring pressures gets complicated.

When you involve wind, and stratified airflows, it gets even more complicated. The air blowing across water or water ice could have been previously warmed by the ground just enough to evaporate more water, then get pushed higher by an angled snowbank into colder, saturated air, and it will then dump the excess water as small ice crystals. A solid block of ice can then become "rotten" as a snowdrift forms downwind of it. The overall average temperature may say that ice should stay frozen, but the wind can still carry a tiny bit of water vapor at a time, thanks to local fluctuations, and with enough volume of air to move it, that ice will drift.

Re:Build a do-it-yourself home air purifier for about $25 by adrianN on Wednesday November 14, 2018 @03:42AM (#18448461)
Heating your home to like 25 degrees and opening the windows every six hours is actually required in some tenancy agreements.
Re:Build a do-it-yourself home air purifier for about $25 by Tharkun on Wednesday November 14, 2018 @03:51AM (#18448484)
What? That's an insanely uncomfortable indoor temperature. Anything over 20 and I'm uncomfortable.
Re:Build a do-it-yourself home air purifier for about $25 by adrianN on Wednesday November 14, 2018 @04:11AM (#18448555)
I believe the idea is that the landlord is never responsible for mold problems since no sane tenant could comply with those rules.
Re:Build a do-it-yourself home air purifier for about $25 by Raphmedia on Wednesday November 14, 2018 @10:12AM (#18450372)
What is the humidity level in your house? 25ºC should be comfortable for an healthy individuals if the hair is not heavy with humidity.
Re:Build a do-it-yourself home air purifier for about $25 by Raphmedia on Wednesday November 14, 2018 @01:13PM (#18452187)
Bwahahahahaha... air
Re:Build a do-it-yourself home air purifier for about $25 by Foobar8568 on Wednesday November 14, 2018 @04:04AM (#18448531)
In Switzerland, they have a tendancy to overheat, now I am used to a constant 25°C over the year. It's actually quiet comfortable.
Re:Build a do-it-yourself home air purifier for about $25 by zaarn on Wednesday November 14, 2018 @07:24AM (#18449319)
It's a matter of getting used to it, really. Once you've been at a temperature for a while, it gets easier.
Re:Build a do-it-yourself home air purifier for about $25 by sgc on Tuesday November 13, 2018 @11:28PM (#18447484)
By the time it is a health issue, it is usually visible. There is some air passage from within the walls to the living space, but not nearly as much impact as the visible mold on walls, furniture, etc. Sauce: Get paid to test sometimes.
Re:Build a do-it-yourself home air purifier for about $25 by marco1 on Thursday November 15, 2018 @06:03PM (#18464320)
You can buy test kits that you expose to your rooms’ air for some time, and then a lab will grow the mold inside the Petri dishes to “amplify” what has been collected in your home. That may be expensive, though, and not easily available everywhere, and perhaps even prone to contamination “in transit”?
Re:Build a do-it-yourself home air purifier for about $25 by onetimemanytime on Wednesday November 14, 2018 @12:43AM (#18447774)
Mold needs lack of ventilation /dampness. You see the dark spots (maybe that's too late?) and IMO nothing substitutes air flow, when possible. Even in winter, one needs to open windows and let the air flow freely at least for a while.
Re:Build a do-it-yourself home air purifier for about $25 by the_clarence on Tuesday November 13, 2018 @10:27PM (#18447219)
You can notice black spots in your bathroom or other places where steam doesn't escape properly. I noticed it on my mattress also. I don't think I have any health issues because of that, it was 5 years ago, but it was rough.
Re:Build a do-it-yourself home air purifier for about $25 by marco1 on Thursday November 15, 2018 @06:07PM (#18464344)
Mold is not always black, is it? It can have other colors as well, e.g. yellow.