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Re:Dandelion Seeds Fly Using ‘Impossible’ Method Never Befor... by seandavidfisher on Thursday October 18, 2018 @12:16AM (#18245851)
> Previous studies have found that dandelion seeds always have between 90 and 110 bristles, says Nakayama

Those poor research assistants. Imagine counting hundreds of dandelion bristles every day. Probably still not possible with AI/image recognition either.

Re:Dandelion Seeds Fly Using ‘Impossible’ Method Never Befor... by nl on Thursday October 18, 2018 @01:03AM (#18246047)
That would 100% be possible with image recognition. Segment using UNet, then measure the remaining joined pixels.

(Well thanks for the downvotes. I do this as my job, so I guess I'm doing the impossible or something)

Re:Dandelion Seeds Fly Using ‘Impossible’ Method Never Befor... by mdda on Thursday October 18, 2018 @02:50AM (#18246437)
Perhaps people are wondering how your UNet is going to see the bristles on the other side of the dandelion seed.
Re:Dandelion Seeds Fly Using ‘Impossible’ Method Never Befor... by HHest on Thursday October 18, 2018 @03:22AM (#18246558)
Think you are misunderstanding what they are counting. The bristles of the seed sit on a stalk and are quite visible individually for the most part, because they are quite thin and stick out in different directions. If you were to place it so that the stalk points toward you, like in the Nature video, the bristles would stand out really clearly.

https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Dandelion_seed_-_May...

Re:Dandelion Seeds Fly Using ‘Impossible’ Method Never Befor... by comex on Thursday October 18, 2018 @03:20AM (#18246547)
Take photos from multiple angles?
Re:Dandelion Seeds Fly Using ‘Impossible’ Method Never Befor... by kabacha on Thursday October 18, 2018 @06:51AM (#18247285)
And how do you deduplicate the ones that are visible on multiple angles?
Re:Dandelion Seeds Fly Using ‘Impossible’ Method Never Befor... by TeMPOraL on Thursday October 18, 2018 @06:30AM (#18247217)
Now you have a pretty ugly correspondence problem to solve.
Re:Dandelion Seeds Fly Using ‘Impossible’ Method Never Befor... by titzer on Thursday October 18, 2018 @07:56AM (#18247506)
I'm glad we have experts who can count to 100 instead. /s
Re:Dandelion Seeds Fly Using ‘Impossible’ Method Never Befor... by nl on Thursday October 18, 2018 @08:21PM (#18253454)
Squash it flat.
Re:Dandelion Seeds Fly Using ‘Impossible’ Method Never Befor... by kbenson on Thursday October 18, 2018 @11:39AM (#18249213)
I think the real question is, which is more cost/time efficient:

a) Hire someone or a company skilled enough to whip up some classifier that can count these from some accuracy, level, which entails paying a developer, and probably 5-10 graduate students to sit around and count dandelion bristles on a good number of dandelion seeds to create a training set.

or

b) Just have 5-10 graduate students sit around and count dandelion bristles on a good number of dandelion seeds

Given that a is a super set of b, and the extra portions of a are likely much more expensive than all of b, I think the answer is fairly clear...

Re:Dandelion Seeds Fly Using ‘Impossible’ Method Never Befor... by TeMPOraL on Thursday October 18, 2018 @06:34AM (#18247237)
Hm. Are NNs reliable enough to be sure you're getting a correct result?

I'd imagine this kind of task would lend itself to some old-school image recognition techniques - photograph against uniform background, threshold, mask the middle part and count contiguous regions.

Re:Dandelion Seeds Fly Using ‘Impossible’ Method Never Befor... by titzer on Thursday October 18, 2018 @07:56AM (#18247501)
ffs not everything needs ML. It's not like they need to scale to every individual dandelion in the known universe.
Re:Dandelion Seeds Fly Using ‘Impossible’ Method Never Befor... by jayd16 on Thursday October 18, 2018 @11:50AM (#18249328)
The bristles seem long enough. You could cut them, separate them, take a well contrasted photo, repeat. The image recognition task would be pretty easy at that point I think as you're just counting separated bristles.
Re:Dandelion Seeds Fly Using ‘Impossible’ Method Never Befor... by unparagoned on Friday October 19, 2018 @07:53AM (#18256014)
That's kind of at the point where the solution takes so long to develop that you might as well count them manually.