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Re:Google Maps won't let you save home address without allow... by techntoke on Tuesday September 25, 2018 @09:26PM (#18071942)
This! They used to allow you to, but now I don't save my home address and can't use a lot of Google features because they want you to enable activity tracking. WTF... why do I need all my activity to be tracked to use basic features?
Re:Google Maps won't let you save home address without allow... by avh02 on Wednesday September 26, 2018 @12:36AM (#18072819)
My favorite part has been them pretending they no longer store your address, but when search results on the web places a pin they somehow manage to suggest it's an "x minute drive" from home... Which is it Google? Do you have the address saved or not? You forget where my address is only when it's inconvenient and coercive?
Re:Google Maps won't let you save home address without allow... by Buge on Wednesday September 26, 2018 @12:58AM (#18072894)
Are you sharing your location? Maybe nothing is stored, but your current location is used for searches you make.
Re:Google Maps won't let you save home address without allow... by lovich on Wednesday September 26, 2018 @01:26AM (#18072990)
I've had the same results when I've explicitly not shared location.

I will also use Google maps to find the route to some restaurant, turn off the GPS because I don't like being tracked and it's no too far, then head to the restaurant within 10-60 minutes of when I checked the GPS. If I have wifi on I will invariably get asked to rate the restaurant within 5 minutes of arriving there, regardless of how much time has passed since I checked the route.

I currently use a Pixel phone, but based on the experiences I've had, I will be switching to an iPhone in the hope that I get tracked less. After switching to Firefox and ddg as my daily drivers, I just need to get off of Gmail and I will be google free

Re:Google Maps won't let you save home address without allow... by computerfriend on Wednesday September 26, 2018 @02:00AM (#18073125)
I would recommend Lineage for a Google-free Android experience.
Re:Google Maps won't let you save home address without allow... by imhoguy on Wednesday September 26, 2018 @07:09AM (#18074697)
Don't forget replacing all G logins with custom ones to various places. https://myaccount.google.com/permissions
Re:Google Maps won't let you save home address without allow... by Buge on Thursday September 27, 2018 @12:16AM (#18082088)
Are you turning off GPS or all location? Because location can still be enabled when GPS is off. There's location via wifi and via bluetooth.
Re:Google Maps won't let you save home address without allow... by lovich on Thursday September 27, 2018 @02:03AM (#18082378)
The location option in the android quick menu. I was unaware there was any other way to even turn off the GPS. I assumed it was wifi since it seems to not happen when the wifi is turned off.

It would have at least been corporate speak to have an option called GPS that people assumed was location tracking and was not. Having an option called "Location" that does not stop your phone from tracking your location when turned off has crossed the line into fraudulent behavior for me

Re:Google Maps won't let you save home address without allow... by Buge on Thursday September 27, 2018 @11:05PM (#18090672)
Hmm, that seems to completely turn off all location. So I don't know why google would seemingly still know your location.
Re:Google Maps won't let you save home address without allow... by lovich on Friday September 28, 2018 @12:40AM (#18091141)
All they need to do is see what wifi connections I can reach on my phone. In any urban area you can easily reach 50+ wifi connections standing in one spot. If google knows X wifi connection corresponds to Y range of a physical location because of someone else left their location and wifi on, then they can tell that if I can reach 4 or 5 different wifi connections at once then I must be at a certain address.

It's like browser fingerprinting. It doesn't take very many bits of entropy before you are identifiable

Re:Google Maps won't let you save home address without allow... by Buge on Saturday September 29, 2018 @06:04AM (#18099589)
Yeah, I know about using wifi for location. But I think turning the android location setting off disables that (in addition to disabling gps and bluetooth location). These pages indicate that:

https://support.google.com/android/answer/3467281

https://support.google.com/android/answer/6179507

Re:Google Maps won't let you save home address without allow... by avh02 on Wednesday September 26, 2018 @01:55AM (#18073103)
I'd have given you that as a fair point if it hadn't said "x minute drive - home" next to the pin while I was checking a store's location on my work laptop at work (while signed in to my personal account)
Re:Google Maps won't let you save home address without allow... by Buge on Thursday September 27, 2018 @12:15AM (#18082085)
Are you saying google's looking at your current location? That sounds to me like it's saying the store is an x minute drive from your home. It says nothing about your current location (work).
Re:Google Maps won't let you save home address without allow... by usrusr on Wednesday September 26, 2018 @03:49AM (#18073692)
"Deleted the address, kept the coordinate pair" ;)

The true reason is probably a little less cheeky: keeping track of copies is hard. And here we end or digression into apologetics and return to criticism, ensuring correctness in keeping track of copies is surely not a very high priority.

Re:Google Maps won't let you save home address without allow... by koyote on Wednesday September 26, 2018 @11:12PM (#18081902)
If you download your maps data from Google you will see the address is still saved as it was before (in json format).

So the address is still there, they are just actively blocking you from making use of it in most of their apps (but evidently not all of them, as you noted above).

Re:Google Maps won't let you save home address without allow... by citrablue on Tuesday September 25, 2018 @10:03PM (#18072113)
Because they want your data in exchange for access to the service they provide?

I get it, it's frustrating as hell, but I can understand their perspective.

Re:Google Maps won't let you save home address without allow... by system2 on Tuesday September 25, 2018 @11:39PM (#18072576)
Yes, a simple take it or leave it situation. There are alternatives. I don't get people getting mad because a private corp is doing something with their own software.
Re:Google Maps won't let you save home address without allow... by yipbub on Tuesday September 25, 2018 @11:47PM (#18072630)
Can you uninstall Google Maps from an android phone?

It's because that private corp is so big that it is starting to control much of the internet and devices so this is an issue very much in the public purview.

It's not as simple as take it or leave it. The corp in question spends billions to insinuate itself into your life, make you dependant, eat competition, and then you can take it, but you definitely can't leave it.

Its time for google to be broken up.

Re:Google Maps won't let you save home address without allow... by system2 on Wednesday September 26, 2018 @12:29AM (#18072791)
Yes, that starts with "leaving it". Though some found my comment above irritating, the more people use these apps or try to make it "their way", these corps won't go anywhere.

Yes, either you take it, or leave it. Imagine everyone leaving google today. They can't make money. People made them rich, people can take them down. If genpop doesn't understand, you have to find your own ways to navigate thru the internet because google won't go away anytime soon.

I would love to hear your opinion about how to take google down, without making people "leave it".

Re:Google Maps won't let you save home address without allow... by ax0ar on Wednesday September 26, 2018 @04:17AM (#18073858)
>Yes, that starts with "leaving it"

You're right, but the percentage of Google users aware of how evil they are is probably less than 0.5%.

An overwhelmingly large percentage of users won't care about what could happen as long as nothing happens directly affecting them. Mass surveillance companies like Google, Facebook know this and take advantage of it.

Technology activists aren't strong enough to start a wave that would lead to people abandoning these evil corps..

Also, as others mentioned, they eat up all competition.. so there aren't really any good options left apart from Google products in areas they compete.

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Re:Google Maps won't let you save home address without allow... by yjftsjthsd-h on Wednesday September 26, 2018 @08:47AM (#18075364)
> Most people aren't persnickety, anal, border line autistic nerds so Google/Facebook knowing who they know or where they are, when they're using software to tell their friends where they are or are using maps to literally work out where they are right now is just not an issue.

Please don't insult people for caring about privacy.

Re:Google Maps won't let you save home address without allow... by superflyguy on Wednesday September 26, 2018 @03:27PM (#18079401)
Not "caring about privacy"; having retarded notions that you can walk around with a tracking device like one might expect a criminal be forced to carry and somehow still have privacy by deleting this cookie or logging out of that service.
Re:Google Maps won't let you save home address without allow... by axiometry on Wednesday September 26, 2018 @01:56AM (#18073108)
Or you can take some and leave some via regulation.
Re:Google Maps won't let you save home address without allow... by gaius on Wednesday September 26, 2018 @01:38AM (#18073045)
Yes, either you take it, or leave it

That is a false dilemma, because there are more than two choices. To many of us, the third option is the one we choose.

Re:Google Maps won't let you save home address without allow... by superflyguy on Wednesday September 26, 2018 @08:09AM (#18075040)
No need to uninstall Google Maps from Android as you don't need to allow tracking for the saving of home to work.

It's odd that Google Maps and Google Assistant both have different methods and rules for the storage of home and work locations.

Re:Google Maps won't let you save home address without allow... by Bjartr on Wednesday September 26, 2018 @12:28AM (#18072789)
It depends on how the system is configured. IIRC custom roms need extra steps to get any official Google apps, so it's certainly possible to configure most phones to not have Maps installed. That said, I think most OEM phones do ship with Google's suite of apps configured as "system" apps that really a few more hope to jump through and could potentially result in instability if any OEM designed system on that phone has a built in assumption about the presence of Maps.

tl;dr: Yes, but you might have to jump through some hoops

Re:Google Maps won't let you save home address without allow... by vuln on Tuesday September 25, 2018 @11:55PM (#18072663)
Just Google?
Re:Google Maps won't let you save home address without allow... by dmitrygr on Wednesday September 26, 2018 @12:20AM (#18072758)
Yes you can easily uninstall it
Re:Google Maps won't let you save home address without allow... by balladeer on Wednesday September 26, 2018 @12:49AM (#18072861)
Can you please tell us how unless it's a custom ROM/non rooted Android phones? (Not disabling)
Re:Google Maps won't let you save home address without allow... by fireattack on Wednesday September 26, 2018 @12:59AM (#18072898)
Well the original statement is just "an android phone", and majority of Android phones (think China) don't even have Gmaps installed.
Re:Google Maps won't let you save home address without allow... by dmitrygr on Wednesday September 26, 2018 @10:01AM (#18075984)
Disable == uninstall. It is the same thing as far as package manager is concerned. No code ever runs. No data ever used.
Re:Google Maps won't let you save home address without allow... by pluma on Wednesday September 26, 2018 @05:03AM (#18074099)
> I don't get people getting mad because a private corp is doing something with their own software.

Maybe it's because they created a situation where it's nearly impossible to avoid "their" software because it's integrated into the product the user actually paid for.

If you buy an Android phone you don't buy bare metal. That's not how Android phones are marketed and it's not how Google wants Android phones to be perceived. An Android phone is a device with Google Play, Google Maps and Google Search integrated into the operating system and providing core services. That's how Google wants you to think about Android and it's in their best interest for you to do so.

From a customer point of view, Google Maps is part of the Android device's core functionality. From a marketer's point of view, it's the same. From Google's point of view, it's also the same.

But although Google Maps itself has great offline functionality and in theory only needs online access for map data, traffic information and optimised routing, Google plays bait and switch by demanding you consent to being spied on in order to actually use it.

Sure, it's their software and they can do what they want but customer rights exist, privacy rights exist and competition law exists. They're being intentionally deceitful and maliciously abuse their position to coerce users into giving consent for providing Google with far more data than they need to provide the service.

Re:Google Maps won't let you save home address without allow... by maybebad on Wednesday September 26, 2018 @04:54AM (#18074048)
You are so right. I am just frustrated that they reached global ubiquity and treated user data as a for-profit product rather than a for-good application.

In the last 18 months, Google transitioned from being a 'build products people will use to enhance their daily lives' company (with Google profiting immensely but for the enhancement of humankind) to a company that is nonchalant in the sale of human data, often to the detriment of their users' experience

Re:Google Maps won't let you save home address without allow... by p49k on Wednesday September 26, 2018 @05:39AM (#18074293)
It’s not just the past 18 months. Let’s not forget the “force Google+ down everyone’s throats and make every Google product worse by needlessly rerouting important functionality through G+”
Re:Google Maps won't let you save home address without allow... by partiallypro on Wednesday September 26, 2018 @01:32AM (#18073021)
What choices? And I mean ones that people would actually use or know about? Apple Maps is basically it, and it's only one one platform. Bing Maps...maybe? But Google has an effective monopoly on consumer based maps.
Re:Google Maps won't let you save home address without allow... by icebraining on Wednesday September 26, 2018 @05:07AM (#18074130)
HERE WeGo (formerly Nokia Maps) is ok for car navigation. Citymapper is nice if you need public transport. OsmAnd is decent as well.

I do think Google Maps is the best, but the choices exist, and for some cases they work even better.

Re:Google Maps won't let you save home address without allow... by partiallypro on Wednesday September 26, 2018 @02:42PM (#18078998)
Ask someone in the US who/what "HERE" is, or ask an app developer what mapping API they are using and if HERE is even remotely on the radar. Because, you'll quickly learn that brand penetration, despite operating for a long period of time, is basically 0 in the US. I have tried to implement Bing and OpenStreetMap but customers immediately complain that we're not using Google. Why? Because Google has brilliantly tied marketing of business/AdWords with their map bundle. There's no escape.
Re:Google Maps won't let you save home address without allow... by mattip on Wednesday September 26, 2018 @02:24AM (#18073222)
maps.me works pretty well, they use open street map data augmented with ad based reccomendations. You download maps so you don’t need wifi to navigate. Best for walking or biking directions, getting better for driving
Re:Google Maps won't let you save home address without allow... by jannes on Wednesday September 26, 2018 @09:21AM (#18075619)
Maps.me is Russian now. In terms of being spied on maybe not the best alternative.
Re:Google Maps won't let you save home address without allow... by hellbanner on Wednesday September 26, 2018 @12:39AM (#18072831)
Because they hate you. What other explanation is there?