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Re:Walmart deploys Oculus Go headsets to train its employees by jlg23 on Sunday September 23, 2018 @11:57AM (#18051633)
If your subject benefits from a 3d representation at all. I dare to say: most do not, just as most do not benefit from video.

I think the real revolution in teaching will be when we have enough well educated, well paid teachers. Imagine the level of immersion that could be accomplished with real-time individualized lessons!

Re:Walmart deploys Oculus Go headsets to train its employees by shafyy on Sunday September 23, 2018 @01:53PM (#18052240)
True. And VR allows new school models with a wildly different cost structure than today's. You don't need a physical building, no physicial equipment and geographic location doesn't matter.

In addition, because VR makes project-based learning [0] more scalable, a teacher's time can be used more efficiently.

These cost-savings can be passed on to the students and the teachers (in the form of higher salaries). All this while improving average the education quality.

[0]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project-based_learning

Re:Walmart deploys Oculus Go headsets to train its employees by lostlogin on Sunday September 23, 2018 @02:08PM (#18052322)
This sounds terrible to me. The process of learning, particularly when young, isn’t just about having the information fed to you. It’s about trying, failing and being shown where you went wrong. Quite literally, falling and being helped up. How do you get help diverse problems like handwriting, getting on with others and the millions of other situations teachers help with? Empathy via Facebook sounds bad.

A big problem with education in my opinion is that everyone who has been to school sees themselves as a teaching expert. The near-minimum-wage teacher who buy school supplies out of their own pockets, they are the experts. Rant over.

Re:Walmart deploys Oculus Go headsets to train its employees by shafyy on Sunday September 23, 2018 @02:28PM (#18052421)
Completely agree. And my whole point is that you can do that better in VR. Instead of meeting in the real world, meet in VR and learn there together with your friends and teacher.
Re:Walmart deploys Oculus Go headsets to train its employees by ericst on Sunday September 23, 2018 @02:51PM (#18052515)
A big part of learning is also in the social interaction. VR, no matter how good, will just never match that. You don't only need information, you also need interactions, real life interaction...

I think VR might help to some subjects, but having an all-VR experience seems an awful thing to me...

Re:Walmart deploys Oculus Go headsets to train its employees by wpietri on Sunday September 23, 2018 @03:58PM (#18052833)
I think it's theoretically possible that one day VR might really be as good. But I also expect to be comfortably dead before that happens.

I'll note that TV was seen as the future of education for quite a while. And that videoconferencing has been the future of interaction since the early 1980s. The first never worked out. And although the jury's still out on the latter, it's undeniable that a) it's not as good, and b) it's taken a very long time for the technology to be reasonably useful.

Historically, people seem to confuse "we don't know what X can't do" with "there's nothing X can't do". Technoutopianism can be useful, in that optimistic people will try things out and discover where the limits are. The current wave of VR is interesting, but it's perfectly possible that it will end up in the same place as 1990s VR: a historically interesting wave of hype that turned out not to deliver much value that couldn't be gotten more easily with other approaches.

Re:Walmart deploys Oculus Go headsets to train its employees by shafyy on Sunday September 23, 2018 @05:34PM (#18053374)
Yeah it's easy to point at tech that never worked out. But it's also impressive to look at the tech that did work out and no one 50 years ago would have been able to predict where society is now.

It's just more exciting to me to envision a future where VR will work out, and I will keep working on it under that assumption.

Re:Walmart deploys Oculus Go headsets to train its employees by wpietri on Sunday September 23, 2018 @10:36PM (#18054638)
I think that's very dangerous. A lot of the tech that worked out only did so because the people working on it put users first, not technology first.

A classic example here is Apple. They did not make the first personal computer, the first MP3 player, or the first smartphone. Those were made by people focused on the tech. Instead, Apple took mostly-existing tech and really focused on delivering value to users.

I think a user-first attitude is important even when making consumer gadgets. But a student-first focus is vital for education. There are a zillion examples of educational tools and methods inflicted upon kids not because they were better for students, but because somebody wanted to prove something.

Re:Walmart deploys Oculus Go headsets to train its employees by shafyy on Sunday September 23, 2018 @10:58PM (#18054721)
Yes sure I agree. But if you've spent time with some VR headsets (especially Oculus Go) you know that it feels like magic. And it enables things that without this tech weren't possible before. Sure, it has a long way to go, but I believe that there's path.

I'm sure the engineers at Apple also looked at the tech and were like "holy shit, this enables us to do crazy stuff".

Re:Walmart deploys Oculus Go headsets to train its employees by wpietri on Monday September 24, 2018 @05:17PM (#18061539)
I do know that it feels like magic. But then, so did the 90s wave of VR. I also agree that it in theory enables new things.

But in practice, nobody has demonstrated that those new things deliver more value. Again, consider 90s VR. Or how people were sure that home computers were the coming thing starting in 1970 (and probably earlier). But they didn't really become particularly useful or common until the arrival of the web browser. [1]

The engineers at jetpack and flying car and humaniform robot companies also said "Holy shit, imagine what we can do." We could look at the plans for manned space travel of 1940-1980, none of which panned out. Heck, we could look at 3D movies and TV, which have flopped repeatedly. And even at Apple there were plenty of times that they said that and were wrong. [2]

I'm really not trying to rain on your parade here. I'm happy to admit that this could really be the time VR takes off. But I'd love it if more VR proponents could accept that "feels like magic" is a novelty effect; that the history of 3D "feels like magic" products turning into giant flops goes back at least 150 years; and that this could be just another one of those things that ends up like 3D TV or Smellovision.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Home_computer#Reception_and_so...

[2] https://blog.musicmagpie.co.uk/2017/09/06/7-apple-products-t...

Re:Walmart deploys Oculus Go headsets to train its employees by Dylan16807 on Monday September 24, 2018 @01:21AM (#18055217)
You know VR can have multiple people in it, right? Because you're taking a description of a virtual classroom with just as many humans as a real classroom, and declaring there is no "social interaction", and that really confuses me.
Re:Walmart deploys Oculus Go headsets to train its employees by shafyy on Sunday September 23, 2018 @03:17PM (#18052652)
> VR, no matter how good, will just never match that.

Why not?

> You don't only need information, you also need interactions, real life interaction

What is reality?

Re:Walmart deploys Oculus Go headsets to train its employees by chongli on Sunday September 23, 2018 @12:14PM (#18051725)
We'll never have enough high quality teachers. The more educated the populace becomes, the more demand there will be for ever higher levels of education.

Education is a class separator. What matters is relative education, not absolute.

Re:Walmart deploys Oculus Go headsets to train its employees by konschubert on Sunday September 23, 2018 @12:40PM (#18051856)
Teachers will be more plentiful and better educated if you pay them a salary >100K and select rigorously.
Re:Walmart deploys Oculus Go headsets to train its employees by badpun on Sunday September 23, 2018 @04:42PM (#18053067)
Only to a degree. For example, a nation without decent lawyers or engineers could never become wealthy. Or, in other words, a nation of 100% illiterate people won't be as wealthy as a nation of 100% PhD, which shows that education is about more than just relative position within the population.
Re:Walmart deploys Oculus Go headsets to train its employees by keiferski on Sunday September 23, 2018 @12:18PM (#18051754)
The question is: are VR headsets going to significantly better at education than say, a book?
Re:Walmart deploys Oculus Go headsets to train its employees by wongarsu on Sunday September 23, 2018 @01:37PM (#18052140)
That question is way too broad to be answerable. VR won't be better at teaching you about writing than a book. If you want to teach biology or woodworking VR can be significantly better than a book.
Re:Walmart deploys Oculus Go headsets to train its employees by chongli on Sunday September 23, 2018 @12:30PM (#18051811)
I'm pretty skeptical of that. Books are great at teaching kids to solve integrals and write essays. I haven't seen any evidence to indicate that VR headsets would help with these skills.
Re:Walmart deploys Oculus Go headsets to train its employees by CoryG89 on Sunday September 23, 2018 @12:48PM (#18051896)
VR is just a medium. Why would it not be just as capable at teaching kids to solve integrals and write essays? You may argue that it can't possibly do any better of a job than a book could, but I think it's unlikely that there is anything a book could teach you that a VR headset could not also teach you. After all, you could just digitize the book and read it in VR.

Also, it doesn't matter how good books are at teaching kids to solve integrals if 90% of them won't even give the book a chance, but can't wait to get on their headsets.

Re:Walmart deploys Oculus Go headsets to train its employees by ramses0 on Sunday September 23, 2018 @03:45PM (#18052775)
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